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Old 06-12-2008, 12:40 PM   #41
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He'd eventually get over. Bryan Danielson matches are an acquired taste but eventually he could be great.
The problem with that being that acquired tastes only catch on if people want to.
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Old 06-12-2008, 02:26 PM   #42
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The problem with that being that acquired tastes only catch on if people want to.
So it would be in the WWE's best interest to put over that taste as something worth having. Eventually people caught on with Chris Benoit. Then the guy could do no wrong...wait. He could do no wrong in a wrestling ring, at least.
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Old 06-12-2008, 02:28 PM   #43
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They should call him "Demented Danielson" and have an angle where he wins $2 from Vince and then starts haunting the arenas with...youtube videos where he rants about how the money give away is stupid, how he wants to destroy McMahon and how the WWE will implode on itself.
Sort of like on Scrubs how the Janitor found a penny in the door. I like it. Honestly, though, a "character" who takes Vince McMahon's money, and uses it to launch himself into a wrestling career by getting the best training available (or something), could be a great way to introduce a character.
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Old 06-12-2008, 03:03 PM   #44
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So it would be in the WWE's best interest to put over that taste as something worth having. Eventually people caught on with Chris Benoit. Then the guy could do no wrong...wait. He could do no wrong in a wrestling ring, at least.
Benoit was over before he was really presented as though he should be. He wasn't particularly an acquired taste, and he managed to be a pretty versatile performer.

And they're still recovering from the last guy they tried to force our interest in.

Part of the problem here is that the casual and mainstream fans aren't going to say "Hey, let's give this guy a chance. Maybe the wrestling will grow on me." Instead, they're far more likely to say "boring." Wrestling fans, and casuals in particular, are reticent to change their opinions once they're formed, and so you've got a serious issue. Especially since WWE has trouble making people already over seem more desirable.

That doesn't mean he's bad; but especially in WWE, a hard sell is a bad investment.
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Old 06-12-2008, 08:54 PM   #45
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Old 06-12-2008, 09:05 PM   #46
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Old 06-13-2008, 03:09 AM   #47
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Old 06-13-2008, 03:11 AM   #48
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Also they will probably make him have a gimmick where he's a surviving member of a Jewish family from the holocost. So when the crowd boo's him he can be all like "Stop supporting Hitler you hate mongers"
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Old 06-13-2008, 03:30 AM   #49
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IF they signed him, I'd personally love to see him brought in with Regal as a manager... It would be Regal's loophole to get back into the WWE... Then pair him up with Burchill, Katie Lea, and misc "big man", and you'd have a good stable.
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Old 06-13-2008, 06:28 PM   #50
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Bryan Danielson's Dark Match: "I watched ROH’s Bryan Danielson wrestle in Oakland and I told any one who would listen that the young man is a keeper. Great work ethic, unique skills, lots of character, and he wrestles like he is a "star" which is not something all wrestlers can do. I wished Bryan good luck as I left the arena in Oakland Monday and he went back to speaking with Shawn Michaels which can’t be a bad thing for Bryan. The WWE might be well served to help subsidize the ROH as they seem to be one of the most viable entities when it comes to developing talent."
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Old 06-14-2008, 03:41 PM   #51
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Old 06-14-2008, 05:31 PM   #52
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Old 06-14-2008, 08:00 PM   #53
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Old 06-14-2008, 08:02 PM   #54
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Additionally, LO-fuckin-L at Ross suggesting WWE subsidize ROH. That sounds eerily close to "buy them so they can't compete with us."
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Old 06-14-2008, 08:03 PM   #55
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Yeah, ROH as farm league made me chuckle.
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Old 06-14-2008, 08:38 PM   #56
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Additionally, LO-fuckin-L at Ross suggesting WWE subsidize ROH. That sounds eerily close to "buy them so they can't compete with us."
LOL Honestly, ROH can't even compete against TNA. It's more like "Hey, we've taken talent from you over the years, so we'll let you have CM Punk or Londrick one weekend."

Sorta like what they did with ECW before they closed.
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Old 06-14-2008, 08:50 PM   #57
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ROH is ECW. Berry intellesting.
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Old 06-14-2008, 11:15 PM   #58
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It is not hard to get a submission wrestler over. You have him face legitimate wrestlers and make them scream in pain as they tap.
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Old 06-14-2008, 11:28 PM   #59
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LOL Honestly, ROH can't even compete against TNA. It's more like "Hey, we've taken talent from you over the years, so we'll let you have CM Punk or Londrick one weekend."

Sorta like what they did with ECW before they closed.
only RoH is run by people who can balance a checkbook. Which would have been great, back when people cared about wrestling.
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Old 06-15-2008, 01:05 AM   #60
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I can just imagine the next time he wrestles a dark match, there will be a small "You're gonna get your fucking head kicked in!" chant while some little kids in John Cena shirts hear this and start in with the chant
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Old 06-15-2008, 01:08 AM   #61
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I can just imagine the next time he wrestles a dark match, there will be a small "You're gonna get your fucking head kicked in!" chant while some little kids in John Cena shirts hear this and start in with the chant
The Cena kids will not be chanting that. But their parents will be bitching at us for chanting.
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Old 06-15-2008, 01:09 AM   #62
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only RoH is run by people who can balance a checkbook. Which would have been great, back when people cared about wrestling.
RoH also doesn't want to expand like ECW did. Paul wanted ECW to be the #1 company in the industry. Gabe just wants RoH to be a fancy indy-fed.
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Old 06-15-2008, 01:22 AM   #63
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Well, good for him. He's pretty much accomplished that. I'd wager being compared with ECW is like an indy-fed wet dream.
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Old 06-15-2008, 01:23 AM   #64
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Gabe pretty much knows he can't go mainstream with ROH how it is. He's pretty happy with where ROH is, basically catering it to the fans who like that style of product.
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Benoit was over before he was really presented as though he should be. He wasn't particularly an acquired taste, and he managed to be a pretty versatile performer.

And they're still recovering from the last guy they tried to force our interest in.

Part of the problem here is that the casual and mainstream fans aren't going to say "Hey, let's give this guy a chance. Maybe the wrestling will grow on me." Instead, they're far more likely to say "boring." Wrestling fans, and casuals in particular, are reticent to change their opinions once they're formed, and so you've got a serious issue. Especially since WWE has trouble making people already over seem more desirable.

That doesn't mean he's bad; but especially in WWE, a hard sell is a bad investment.
Everything you said makes perfect sense, but who says Danielson would be a hard sell? As I said, the guy wore different tights when he worked the dark match. They were a lot more "interesting" than his burgundy ROH trunks. Attire is not the end-all, don't get me wrong, but I think that could be interpreted as a sign that Danielson knows "Bland Bryan" is not going to catch on like wild fire, and that he might need to inject a lot more character into things.

The WWE is right into MMA shit these days. Well, relatively. There are the occasional mumblings that they want more MMA-style fights, but they just don't have the guys. One of Danielson's things is that he can work that style. There is also general interest in a man that looks like a banker but then legit kicks your ass like Danielson could appear to.

I'm not saying it's a sure-thing, but I think people underrate Danielson's chances of success in the WWE.
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At the very least, Gabe will get to see a sweet DVD put out about ROH's contributions to the industry, Rise and Fall style.
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Yeah, I was there. Was pretty awesome. He got a fairly monstrous pop also.
Don't say that! Danielson can't get over because he is pasty and doesn't deliver Rock-like promos as part of his gimmick!

Jim Ross is supporting the guy (the man does still mean something to the industry), Pat Patterson seems on his side, Shawn Michaels obviously hasn't disowned him for being...not being shit enough to fit BDC's requirements of an exciting wrestler? Someone also chose to put him over. Things look pretty good for ol' AmDrag.
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Old 06-15-2008, 07:15 AM   #68
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Is he ACTUALLY good then, or is he CM Punk good?

I don't want another 'best jobber with a briefcase since IRS', you see.
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Is he ACTUALLY good then, or is he CM Punk good?

I don't want another 'best jobber with a briefcase since IRS', you see.
Pure wrestling? I'd say he's alomost Dean Malenko good.
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Old 06-15-2008, 07:21 AM   #71
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I would like to go on the record and say once something is hyped up to you it will never live up to the standards you have in your own mind.
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Is he ACTUALLY good then, or is he CM Punk good?

I don't want another 'best jobber with a briefcase since IRS', you see.
He's jobbertastic.
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Old 06-15-2008, 09:08 AM   #73
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Same thing the WWE did to Dean for the record.
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