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Old 07-15-2008, 01:26 PM   #41
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Dammit, I was just gonna say the Busaiku knee strike.

I miss the Vice, and yes the Plunge was a bad move, it took forever to set up.

Punk should go the way of Low Ki and start double stomping everyone he can't GTS
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Old 07-15-2008, 01:47 PM   #42
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I'm not really much of a CM Punk to begin with...and never followed his pre-WWE career. However, I would just think that if they made him champion, he should be a little bit more credible. His reign just annoys me in that he doesn't feel like a bigtime real champ. He feels like some kid that just luckily won it and is barely managing to keep up with it every week since. Maybe it's because PRIOR to all this, I would watch him on TV jobbing out to people like The Miz.

Idk, just my two cents. There's a huge difference though when you compare his reign to someone like Edge's reign or Batista's or Orton's where they are clearly the most top wrestler on their show.
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Old 07-15-2008, 02:29 PM   #43
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Punk needs to come up with a good variation of it too, that way they can build up the knee to the face more than the firemen's carry part.
Pretty simple, just put someone on top and get them on to his shoulders that way a la Burning Hammer.

Can't believe all this fuss over a quote from fucking Rajah btw.
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Old 07-15-2008, 03:49 PM   #44
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GTS is a pretty effective finisher, assuming the person sells it right too. Outside of maybe 5% of the roster, I'm sure Punk can hit most people with it. The exceptions being people like Henry, Big Show, Khali, Umaga,, maybe Batista/Kane, etc. WWE doesn't have tons of people over 300 lbs.
Techincally they do. The 5 you just named have a combined billed wieght of 2,203 lbs which is well above a ton, so techincally they do have tons of people over 300 lbs. Plus you forgot BDV, JBL, Snitsky, Festus, and Vladimir Kozlov. Oh, and Untertaker. Well maybe you didn't forget about Snitsky. But the fact is there are 10 or so guys I doubt Punk can safely preform the GTS on.
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Old 07-15-2008, 04:34 PM   #45
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Honestly, I kind of like Punk's championship reign. If he could get some real wins it would be great.
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Punk was stupid to do a move like that on such a big guy, its unsafe, and Snitsky is an idiot for not taking it right.
I don't think Punk came up with the finish, he's not an agent.
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Old 07-15-2008, 06:07 PM   #47
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Aside from being booked as the next 1 2 3 Kid who got lucky, and is barely managing to pass through the obstacles he faces as champion every week...I read this on Rajah.com...
This is the most absurd thing I've read in a while.
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Yeah, who takes Rajah.com as a serious news source?
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everyone is so quick to judge. let this thing play out.
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Also, he didn't barely beat JBL, he didn't barely beat Snitsky and Kane seems to be in the middle of some kind of push so it wouldn't make much sense for him to lose cleanly. So where are you people getting the notion that he's barely winning from?
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Old 07-15-2008, 06:27 PM   #51
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Beating Snitsky doesn't mean a god damn thing. He only beat JBL after Cena and Cryme Tyme came down and beat up JBL's goons and won by a distraction. While techincally no interference, Punk didn't get a completely clean win. Punk didn't make Kane tap or pin him cleanly. Oh, and he took advantage of a mauled and beat Edge to get the title in the first place. So while he is getting wins, they aren't worth that much for a guy that is suppose to be a face.

If Punk can win against Batista in a legit manner that would be great. If Punk wins via count out, or something else lame without turning heel, Punk will still look weak. If punk straight up loses he is a fluke.

I kinda like him and could see him going somewhere if they let him, but right now his title means nothing.
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Old 07-15-2008, 06:29 PM   #52
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Also, Ray Masterio was never champion, so why does he need to move out of the way? So Punk is better than a nonchampion.
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Old 07-15-2008, 06:32 PM   #53
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Beating Snitsky doesn't mean a god damn thing. He only beat JBL after Cena and Cryme Tyme came down and beat up JBL's goons and won by a distraction. While techincally no interference, Punk didn't get a completely clean win. Punk didn't make Kane tap or pin him cleanly. Oh, and he took advantage of a mauled and beat Edge to get the title in the first place. So while he is getting wins, they aren't worth that much for a guy that is suppose to be a face.

If Punk can win against Batista in a legit manner that would be great. If Punk wins via count out, or something else lame without turning heel, Punk will still look weak. If punk straight up loses he is a fluke.

I kinda like him and could see him going somewhere if they let him, but right now his title means nothing.
Exactly what I'm thinking. I'm not pro or anti-Punk, I could care less. But this guy is hardly seen as credible right now.

Prior to his draft to Raw, last time I saw the guy he tapped out to Regal at the KOTR Tourney on Raw and lost to the Miz on ECW one night.
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Beating Snitsky doesn't mean a god damn thing. He only beat JBL after Cena and Cryme Tyme came down and beat up JBL's goons and won by a distraction. While techincally no interference, Punk didn't get a completely clean win. Punk didn't make Kane tap or pin him cleanly. Oh, and he took advantage of a mauled and beat Edge to get the title in the first place. So while he is getting wins, they aren't worth that much for a guy that is suppose to be a face.

If Punk can win against Batista in a legit manner that would be great. If Punk wins via count out, or something else lame without turning heel, Punk will still look weak. If punk straight up loses he is a fluke.

I kinda like him and could see him going somewhere if they let him, but right now his title means nothing.
I just think people are reading too much into his matches. If he would've came out and dominated JBL and Kane, I'm sure people would be complaining about how a guy that was on a losing streak before he got drafted can come back and win those matches.

Too much nit picking going on for my tatse. I'd much rather watch Punk "barely" win and get "fluke" victories than have Cena or Batista as champ. It's like no matter what, the glass is always half empty around here.
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Old 07-15-2008, 07:05 PM   #56
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I don't think Punk would have a problem using the GTS. If he can get Snitsky and JBL up and over for it, he can do just about anybody with obvious exceptions (Henry, Khali, BDV etc) which, should he ever feud with those guys, could add something in a 'how is he gonna win?' kind of way. How willing somebody like Bats is to take the GTS after breaking Snitsky's face is another story though

Should def. bust out the Anaconda Vice now and again though ala Rock/Sharpshooter, Cena/STFU etc
Couldn't agree more
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Old 07-15-2008, 07:34 PM   #57
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I just think people are reading too much into his matches. If he would've came out and dominated JBL and Kane, I'm sure people would be complaining about how a guy that was on a losing streak before he got drafted can come back and win those matches.

Too much nit picking going on for my tatse. I'd much rather watch Punk "barely" win and get "fluke" victories than have Cena or Batista as champ. It's like no matter what, the glass is always half empty around here.
He has to start turning them into clean victories somehow, he's got the title - time to start making him credible. No time to worry about the past.
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Old 07-15-2008, 08:58 PM   #59
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Yeah, everyone who is harping on the fact that Punk hasn't gotten any clean wins against quality opponents needs to remember, he has had the title for all of 3 raws...

While beating Snitsky isn't the biggest accomplishment, it was a RAW match, not really intended to do anything more than give Punk a W. The other matches serves their purpose. We have yet to see Punk defend the title in a PPV match where the outcome actually matter so let's hold off. If he can beat Batista cleanly (Which I can actually see happening) then the argument is pretty much void.
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Old 07-15-2008, 09:37 PM   #60
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All I know is Punk has been getting some lackluster reactions the last couple weeks. I think Beth Pheonix may have gotten more of a reaction last night than Punk did.
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I dont blame Punk, he just doens't appear to be ready for the big time yet.
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The GTS is a shitty move. He should rename it the GTFO.
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I was thinking that this morning (the whole Punk/Rey comparison). If they're gonna let him retain at GAB then Punk desperately needs to win clean. And not some "surprise roll up" etc... Either make Bastista tap or get him with the GTS fair-and-square.

Otherwise, say hello to Rey Mysterio no. 2.
It will be Rey #3, Orton was already #2. He held that damn belt for 6 months and only got 2 clean wins. And that is if you consider the Mania win a legit one, where he came out of no where to kick HHH.
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It will be Rey #3, Orton was already #2. He held that damn belt for 6 months and only got 2 clean wins. And that is if you consider the Mania win a legit one, where he came out of no where to kick HHH.
Nah. It's different for a heel. Orton's win at Mania in some ways was better than just a clean win character-wise.
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Do you guys not realize that a guy his size can fireman's carry about 4x his weight? It's not difficult to firemans carry someone. That is why firemen use it to get people out of buildings your body can support 4x your weight on your shoulders if you have muscle.
The fireman's carry isn't the hard part, the hard part is pressing 300 lbs. of sweaty wrestler over your head and then kneeing them in the face.
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Old 07-17-2008, 10:32 PM   #66
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The move itself is ridiculous. A knee to the face after a fireman's carry drop? WTF is that shit? That's what the indies are teaching guys these days?
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Old 07-18-2008, 05:28 PM   #67
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I really can't see how he can get any offense in against Batista on sunday. It'll probably be like all his other matches so far.
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Old 07-18-2008, 05:41 PM   #68
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The move itself is ridiculous. A knee to the face after a fireman's carry drop? WTF is that shit? That's what the indies are teaching guys these days?
How is it a bad move? Knee to face = effective. Coming from a firemen's carry means there's more momentum. Rising knee hits falling face... And that's somehow less ridiculous then, lets say, the FU, the mic check twist of fate, RKO, hurracurranna, etc?
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Old 07-18-2008, 05:47 PM   #69
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The only weakness is it can't really be done much on big guys.
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