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Old 07-17-2008, 09:37 PM   #41
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Take HHH as an example of someone that isn't "new". A guy that has established himself in the WWE since like 1996. Slowly being built up to Main Event status.

In DX he was fresh (or new you might say). Same when he made the transtion to the ME scene. No one complained, most were happy to see a new face mis it up in the title scene.

No one complained when he first won the title (Summer 99), or during his programmes with McMahon (Fall 99), Foley (early 2000), The Rock (Post WM 16) or any of his other fueds.

However, we get to 2002 (I believe) he's champ, he rarely puts anyone over, he cuts the promo week after week, he hogs the spotlight for most of the year.

This is where we got pissed off with HHH.

If anything it's a lack of change that angers the fans more.
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Old 07-17-2008, 10:11 PM   #42
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Old 07-17-2008, 10:24 PM   #43
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It's also WWE's fault that they cannot remain contemporary. Technical wrestling may not be a mega draw, but they ended the days of hosses who couldn't wrestle back when they started trying to showcase things like submissions, technical wrestlers, etc. Even if guys like Bret Hart didn't change what we wanted, guys like Angle and Shamrock did. Doesn't mean eiether of them would ever be the next Steve Austin, but that's not the point.

The times changed. WWF changed them. WCW changed them. Vince wants to go back. The fans don't want that.
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Old 07-17-2008, 10:24 PM   #44
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The only change i'll accept is the Maria changing her clothes on camera.
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Old 07-18-2008, 11:36 AM   #47
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He did refer to Batista as "young"...
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Old 07-18-2008, 11:39 AM   #48
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Old 07-18-2008, 12:33 PM   #49
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When 900 years old YOU are, look as good YOU will not...
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Old 07-19-2008, 06:46 AM   #50
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Basically Sebastian i dont agree with pretty much all your post...

Let me start with:

-One of the major factors of wCw's fall was not because they didnt push new talent, it was one of thousands of reason. If you had said one of the main reason fans stopped watching the program was becuase of the ridiculous booking and, alot of the time, confusing storylines then i would agree. Read the 'death of wcw' book and you will see there were alot bigger things than not pushing new talent, because when Russo was in charge he did try to introduce new champions. Obviously im not saying not pushing new talent wasnt a big problem, but there were other factors that were bigger!

-Alot of people said the Divas title was horrible, but that wasnt the issue. The issue was why in the hell have 2 womens titles, when you could have the cruiserweight title back and actually have some interesting opening matches on smackdown. And if you want to use wCw as an example like you did, then they had an amazing low/mid card which carried the show and kept people watching, because much like the wwe the main event matches are not full of 'entertaining wrestling' really are they! Their cruiserweight division was great, along with solid mid card performances by people like benoit, gurrero, malenko, jericho etc. You also say about TNA gettin ratings boosts from the women, but thats only because their knockout division is actually booked solid and the women can wrestle! The 'divas' cant wrestle, they are there to look pretty, and as pretty as they look they will get boring after 3 weeks of screaming and roling around in the ring.

-As for the WWE championship, again its not that people dont want change, they just want a title belt that looks respectable. I personally dont think the 'spinner' belt does! Its like Cena won the WWE title and respected that belt so much that he had to change it to something that he liked, sorry but to me that says that the belt isnt all that great. wCw burried their title towards the end, by having a ridiculous amount of title changes, putting the belt on people no fan would respect and often matches that invovled the title were just dispicable in how they ended (benoit winning the belt, but not actually winning it). WWE obviously hasnt done this, but by Cena changing the belt the way he did i think it burried the belt a little.

-I think you are missing the point on why everybody is complaining. To me its like your suggesting we are complaining about cena,batista,orton being the top stars and that the people complaining want the old guys back (rock, austin, hogan, bret etc). Its not like that at all, they are complaining because they WANT CHANGE! They are bored of seeing Cena win all the time, and Batista getting 100000000000000000000000 title shots. They want to see some new stars getting a chance, then maybe bring Cena back into the picture in a year or so.

Anyway reply to me if you want.
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Old 07-19-2008, 06:50 AM   #51
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Take HHH as an example of someone that isn't "new". A guy that has established himself in the WWE since like 1996. Slowly being built up to Main Event status.

In DX he was fresh (or new you might say). Same when he made the transtion to the ME scene. No one complained, most were happy to see a new face mis it up in the title scene.

No one complained when he first won the title (Summer 99), or during his programmes with McMahon (Fall 99), Foley (early 2000), The Rock (Post WM 16) or any of his other fueds.

However, we get to 2002 (I believe) he's champ, he rarely puts anyone over, he cuts the promo week after week, he hogs the spotlight for most of the year.

This is where we got pissed off with HHH.

If anything it's a lack of change that angers the fans more.
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Old 07-20-2008, 02:20 AM   #52
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I was just joking before, but this thread is giving me serious flashbacks of Vermaat now.
Yeah, the second post did it for me.
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Old 07-20-2008, 02:51 AM   #53
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Old 07-20-2008, 03:02 AM   #54
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I liked Vermaat. I mean, he was at least fun, even if he was horribly misguided.
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He renamed himself 'Sebastian'.
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Old 07-22-2008, 05:29 AM   #56
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I could of sworn the problem with WWE was its writing/creative staff
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Basically Sebastian i dont agree with pretty much all your post...

Let me start with:

-One of the major factors of wCw's fall was not because they didnt push new talent, it was one of thousands of reason. If you had said one of the main reason fans stopped watching the program was becuase of the ridiculous booking and, alot of the time, confusing storylines then i would agree. Read the 'death of wcw' book and you will see there were alot bigger things than not pushing new talent, because when Russo was in charge he did try to introduce new champions. Obviously im not saying not pushing new talent wasnt a big problem, but there were other factors that were bigger!

-Alot of people said the Divas title was horrible, but that wasnt the issue. The issue was why in the hell have 2 womens titles, when you could have the cruiserweight title back and actually have some interesting opening matches on smackdown. And if you want to use wCw as an example like you did, then they had an amazing low/mid card which carried the show and kept people watching, because much like the wwe the main event matches are not full of 'entertaining wrestling' really are they! Their cruiserweight division was great, along with solid mid card performances by people like benoit, gurrero, malenko, jericho etc. You also say about TNA gettin ratings boosts from the women, but thats only because their knockout division is actually booked solid and the women can wrestle! The 'divas' cant wrestle, they are there to look pretty, and as pretty as they look they will get boring after 3 weeks of screaming and roling around in the ring.

-As for the WWE championship, again its not that people dont want change, they just want a title belt that looks respectable. I personally dont think the 'spinner' belt does! Its like Cena won the WWE title and respected that belt so much that he had to change it to something that he liked, sorry but to me that says that the belt isnt all that great. wCw burried their title towards the end, by having a ridiculous amount of title changes, putting the belt on people no fan would respect and often matches that invovled the title were just dispicable in how they ended (benoit winning the belt, but not actually winning it). WWE obviously hasnt done this, but by Cena changing the belt the way he did i think it burried the belt a little.

-I think you are missing the point on why everybody is complaining. To me its like your suggesting we are complaining about cena,batista,orton being the top stars and that the people complaining want the old guys back (rock, austin, hogan, bret etc). Its not like that at all, they are complaining because they WANT CHANGE! They are bored of seeing Cena win all the time, and Batista getting 100000000000000000000000 title shots. They want to see some new stars getting a chance, then maybe bring Cena back into the picture in a year or so.

Anyway reply to me if you want.
Why the fuck wouldn't he reply to this you idiot, you just told him and everyone else that you disagree with him and you tell him he can reply if he wants to, your a fucking moron :foc:
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No, it's the IWC. I mean, everyone else is turning out in droves to watch the programming. Right? RIGHT?
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They're tuning out in droves, that's for sure.
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They're tuning out in droves, that's for sure.
I almost typed that by accident....

Though if you believe the dirt sheets, ratings have been up or stable every week but last. Even then, people are tuning in to see Kane/Punk. So you're clearly wrong. There's no problem, Elvis didn't do no drugs, and John Cena is over with everyone except a few bad apples.
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