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Old 02-01-2009, 09:20 PM   #41
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I liked the first Underworld movie well enough. They made a pile of poop out of the 2nd. Wonder if the 3rd will be any good. Maybe? Anyone see it?
Average. If you are a big fan of the series, you'll enjoy it. Otherwise I suspect it will just be rather disposable.
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Old 02-19-2009, 02:41 PM   #42
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Hey look, a CGI film not entirely based on comedy. I'm interested.
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Old 02-28-2009, 11:53 AM   #43
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Disney is returning to 2D animation with The Princess and the Frog, a tale about a chick who wants to open a restaurant. Or something. The point is Disney making a traditional feature for the first time in ages, since they began producing 3D animation almost exclusively (a rep says they didn't even have art desks anymore). After this movie drops, Disney plans on releasing a major traditional feature every two years or so.

Doubt they'll catch that 90's magic (from 91's 'Mermaid to '99's Tarzan), but it's nice to see them touching their roots.
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Old 02-28-2009, 01:41 PM   #44
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I hope by "traditional" they mean I can look forward to finding the penis castle and SEX written in the sky.
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If they can come up with good stories, they can reach that popularity. Lion King and that string of hits were huge because of their quality, just like the ones that were huge hits in a number of different decades. Some clicked, some didn't.
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The plot sounds like it's more contemporary than the last time they tried a regular movie (I think it was Sinbad, not sure). It will potentially be something kids and adults can enjoy, like Toy Story, Shrek, etc. Star power will probably be needed as well, as it is currently in animated films, to ensure that adults are interested in the project.

It probably won't be Toy Story huge, but there's no reason for it not to succeed because I'm sure it will generate a lot of buzz and they will be sure it is actually a good movie since it doesn't have the computer animation to fall back on.
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I think them running out of traditional fairy tales also had something to do with it. Once in a while, they'd make up something obscure like Lion King and it would hit. Most of the time, though, it was adapted from a classic story.
Once they ran out, they started really stretching and trying some strange stuff.
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Seems like they found a decent one here. They should make an animated Hansel and Gretel and go for a hard R
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I hope by "traditional" they mean I can look forward to finding the penis castle and SEX written in the sky.
Putting aside easter egg blue material, I always thought Jasmine was hot. And her boobs bounced in one scene.

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If they can come up with good stories, they can reach that popularity. Lion King and that string of hits were huge because of their quality, just like the ones that were huge hits in a number of different decades. Some clicked, some didn't.
They need to evolve the formula. All of their stories usually played to the backdrop of some combination of culture and past timelines. These themes reverberated throughout the feature. This isn't a hard rule, but it was cool that when you watched Aladdin the eastern music fit the setting, and The Lion King echoed many African tribal beats and vocals.

Although that works to a degree, I always wondered a few things in retrospect:

- Why can't we have an animated story that takes place in the present. Is this timeline not interesting enough? You can't tell me Disney can't forge a story without a preset legend or myth to draw from. Their 3D works took place in the present, but I never saw the Pixar stuff as proper replacements to the classic style.
- I know, and love, how Disney took broadway music style and ran with it. But I would love to see an animated musical that integrated current music trends. I'm not saying the bright-eyed hero should bust a Linkin Park-like track as he goes off to save the girl, but... well actually yeah that would be kickass.
- Disney films are most sexist movies ever. The girl needs to be saved, 98% of the time, even when the girl is the star of the show. You could bring up Pocahontas, but that was a rather weird departure for Disney on a lot of levels. Ironically, 'strong female leads' are in themselves becoming a cliche, and I honestly believe they're rarely written right (it seems the only strong female writers can produce are those with Mary Sue stigma). So I think Disney should invest in stronger females, that don't cower in fear or seem to overcompensate.
- Do celebrity voices really matter? Disney could save a shitload of cash by cutting back on giving people who's voices aren't even that distinguishing on animation. I can see the audible appeal of casting a Jason Alexander or the perfect casting of a James Earl Jones, but Demi Moore? For what? Don't argue the star-power point, it really wouldn't make a difference.

I could be wrong on any of the above points.
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Old 02-28-2009, 02:55 PM   #50
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They have done movies like that. They've tried going modern, or futuristic even, and it's flopped. Any change to formats has resulted in dissapointing outings. The Emperors New Groove and Treasure Planet are examples of this.
Pretty sure they incorporated modern music into these.
They've also done quite a few feminist movies. Mulan and shit like that.
They haven't quite turned the whole thing on it's heels.

I think the classic format works. It hasn't failed yet. It's the stuff they've done to step away from it that has.

Also, I think celebrity voices are very important. Not only for name brand value, but for the familiarity associated with them. Certain voices fit character types.
It's something that's always worked and is even done in the modern CGI animation features. Seems crucial to me.
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Old 02-28-2009, 02:58 PM   #51
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I think yes and no for strong star power. A voice is a voice, yes, but it's also a name. Arguably the best purpose of the star power is as a promotional tool. Occasionally they will make the character look like the star or have the character's facial movements match up to what the person is doing in the booth, but those are negligible.
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I see it has an entity that could be evolved, 'New Groove wasn't a musical.
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Wasn't DJ Tanner's boyfriend the voice of Aladdin? So yea, I think not everyone has to be a star. I just think it's important to have someone in your movie that reconizable. Pixar's a good example. They don't go for the biggest stars possible. They go for unique and familiar celebrity voices.
The Pixar followers usually try to load their movie with the biggest names possible, where Pixar goes for the best names possible.
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Like Tom Hanks, he's a huge name but he was picked because he was perfect for the role. I'd imagine this is the same reason Craig T Nelson and John Goodman were picked for lead roles, and Patton Oswalt. They were perfect for their role, and not picked for how much of stars they are.

I agree there. I guess "recognizable" is more what I meant.
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It'll still probably be glitzy, flashy 2D with lots of computer animation. It will never be the way it was before.
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I mean, cut corners where you can. So long as the characters are hand drawn I don't mind a smoothing out between rough and finished products.
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