Ken Kennedy as a face can fuck right off (Who annoys you most?)

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Noid However, people continue to have their own little conspiracy theories about the event. It is no good to actually listen to what happened. Apparently that is not evidence that this [b]admittedly isolated[/i] event actually took place.

Which would be great, if you weren't altering the argument just to shoot it down.

If you don't understand it still, feel free to ask, but it's been explained multiple times by multiple people.

By the way, if having your name chanted counts as the same thing as outpopping, so shouldn't the entire arena coming to their feet. And DX got that. Does this mean that DX outpopped DX?

[Destor]

Originally Posted by Innovator Someone was claiming Philly was his hometown as well as Punk getting no reaction...that was a fun day

That was me, and what I said was "it might as well have been his home town, which everyone then spazzed over saying it wasn't his hoime town. Yeah I know it's not. Might as well been though.

[ron the dial]

HEY LET'S BEAT A FUCKING DEAD HORSE OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN BECAUSE IT REALLY FUCKING MATTERS

get over it. who gives a fuck if he outpopped, didn't outpop, got a chant, whatever the fuck. this is a key example as to why the wrestling forum is a lot of gay. HOW LONG AGO DID THIS HAPPEN? fuck.

also, i wish santino would go away and never come back.

[Kane Knight]

I love how often you rant about how people can't let things go, WeX. Let it go, man.

[ron the dial]

lol find me another recent post where i did that

probably months ago about the same issue, and before that probably never

but whatever you want to pretend

[Destor]

Originally Posted by Weapon X lol find me another recent post where i did that probably months ago about the same issue, and before that probably never but whatever you want to pretend

Kane Knight using his "I know you are but what am I" defense? I bet he is.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Ahhh...It's a shame you're back on Meth....

KK, you are socially retarded. You're one of those special needs folk who doesn't realise they are, but trust me, as a person who has worked with kids who need assistance, you are retarded.

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Unfortunately, when you're talking about outpopping DX, as I've explained to Noid (Who either is the dumbest poster on the board, or just likes to repost the same bullshit over and over again), you had the crowd on their feet and in the palm of their hands for DX. You also don't actually have a "versus" situation, so the notion of outpopping when a collective is clearly building off of one another is totally retarded.

It's really cute how you think we have a "you talk I listen" relationship, showing complete ignorance of the selective information situation the internet creates. As you "explain" something to me, I am not reading it. I need to consciously come back and actually see what you have written. After I have made my point perfectly clear, I often don't return to the thread. Your "explanation" doesn't even fall on ears, let alone deaf ones.

The crowd was not in the palm of the collective hand of DX. That's why they chanted for CM Punk as Triple H was about to do his shtick. Your "everyone's a winner" scenario is cute, but by your logic, there can't be a scene-stealer in a movie where everyone is getting along. So what you're saying is that if Funaki was teaming with Triple H, and the fans gave Triple H a standing ovation, and gave Funaki nothing, it is incorrect to say Triple H out-popped Funaki? You're a special needs kid, dude.

Your way of looking at things also makes assumptions. You're assuming that the fans cared about DX more, when there is little evidence to support it. If so, you'd think the fans would have been chanting for them, instead of their music getting a pop, and then the fans chanting for Punk. Perhaps they did like DX more? You've got no way of knowing that. The flip-side of the argument doesn't need to make these assumptions to be correct. CM Punk got his name chanted over DX. This is a fucking fact.

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Destor, like Noid, has Punks cock so far down his throat he might choke, often tries to pretend things are different, but that's probably just because of the disability of a meth addled mind.

No, I don't have Punk's dick down my throat. I like Punk. I think he is a good-great wrestler, and a great promo guy when he's allowed to rip, but besides that, I am just going by my ears. I've also never seen Destor blindly praise CM Punk. I've seen you blindly bash him?

Originally Posted by Kane Knight I havbe the DVD. DX literally had the crowd on their feet responding before Punk was invovled. Hmmmm...Noid doesn't seem to mention that part. And Destor's too busy circle jerking to bother, either.

What the fuck are you on about? Before what? All they did was make their entrance and do exactly what The Hardys and CM Punk did. Punk "became involved" before DX started their shtick. If you mean DX getting the best entrance pop, yes, I have mentioned it. You do not see it because you're retarded.

It is just as correct for me to assume that DX's recogniseable and popular music got the crowd on their feet as opposed to who DX are, if you're allowed to attribute the fans chanting for "CM Punk" when they really meant "DX." God, you are so hopeless sometimes.

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Also, did Noid post the edited version of the video again? I'm wondering if he's ever seen the full version, or if this is part of the continued dishonesty of the "outpoppping" concept in the first place. Destor's on meth, Noid, what's your excuse for being so stupid?

I'm not sure what version of the video I posted, to be honest. I did see the event on PPV, and I remember having a laugh to myself because the little internet darling that could was getting his name chanted over the top of the "biggest face act in the company" (more so than Cena at the time), as one-half of this childish act was about to start his shtick.

Triple H obviously didn't feel comfortable with the situation, because he improvised and let CM Punk deliver the "Are you ready?" line, probably to remind the crowd that DX and Punk were teammates for the night. And Punk did lose his undefeated streak to Hardcore Holly the following edition of ECW, and was then the first to go in the Extreme Elimination Chamber the following weekend. Just saying. If "DX were in control," none of that would have happened.

Even if you take the entrance pops into consideration (which I had anyway), it's the build that's important. If someone goes out there and gets nothing, and then gets something, they are successful. Punk getting a smaller entrance pop than DX can be easily explained. The crowd were getting warmed up. When all five guys were in the ring, all the cards were on the table. The Philly fans, ROH marks they were, chanted for CM Punk. End of discussion.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Which would be great, if you weren't altering the argument just to shoot it down. If you don't understand it still, feel free to ask, but it's been explained multiple times by multiple people. By the way, if having your name chanted counts as the same thing as outpopping, so shouldn't the entire arena coming to their feet. And DX got that. Does this mean that DX outpopped DX?

Irony is delicious. Unfortunately, it cannot be appreciated by all.

Also, do you realise how retarded your last paragraph is? If A is the same as B, and I am A, does that mean I am better than A because I am A + B? You've got to be fucking kidding me. A little hint for the future, KK: If something equals something, then a duplicate doesn't pop out of nowhere for the hell of it.

[Skippord]

Could someone explain to me why you people have this same argument like once every month?

[The Mackem]

The daft thing is it barely has anything to do with the original topic.

[IC Champion]

I have kinda missed Noid.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Weapon X lol find me another recent post where i did that probably months ago about the same issue, and before that probably never but whatever you want to pretend

You've done it in music and casual. But whatever.

[Kane Knight]

Anyway, Noid's post was definitely tl;dr, but I noticed the bit about being socially retarded, and the bit where he was on about irony being delicious, and again, I was struck by this image of a pot calling a kettle black....

[ron the dial]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight You've done it in music and casual. But whatever.

again, prove it or gtfo.

[Kane Knight]

And deprive Destor of a chance to make up something else?

[ron the dial]

accusing someone of doing the same thing you're doing now? rich.

[Kane Knight]

So you've graduated from passive-aggressive? Sweet.

[Kane Knight]

Anyway, main reason I'm not going to provide proof: I did a search on yoru name, and your casual posts alone were on par with my posts in the last day or so. I got bored by page 2.

[ron the dial]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight So you've graduated from passive-aggressive? Sweet.

i just thought it would be fun to take it to yr level

[Kane Knight]

Yeah yeah yeah.

[Kane Knight]

Is WeX resorting to his patented "I know you are, but what am I" Defense? You betcha.

It's as true as when Destor said it.

[Destor]

I have KK on ignore and I bet I could tell what he's doing. Completely dodging presenting any real argument and just name calling right? Yeah. I bet.

[Destor]

Pretty much right. Get a new act KK.

[Verbose Minch]

Originally Posted by Destor I have KK on ignore and I bet I could tell what he's doing. Completely dodging presenting any real argument and just name calling right? Yeah. I bet.

Yes, he is. He's totally disregarding Noid's post. It's pretty funny.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Noid KK, you are socially retarded. You're one of those special needs folk who doesn't realise they are, but trust me, as a person who has worked with kids who need assistance, you are retarded..

By "worked with," you mean "are," right?

I mean, ignore the fact that you're using the same line I used, almost verbatim. Hell, ignore the fact that you're at best, classic Aspergers. You're making a claim based on words you yourself frequently cannot understand.

And if that ain't the pot calling the kettle black...

It's really cute how you think we have a "you talk I listen" relationship

Which would be nice, were it, you know, true. You may infer this as true, you may assume it's true, but it is not true. Which is indicative of many of the problems in communication with you. Like how you asserted my stance was that Chris Jericho would never come back to WWE, even after explicitly shown quotes to the contrary.

showing complete ignorance of the selective information situation the internet creates.

Back to the "it would be great if it were true" element.

As you "explain" something to me, I am not reading it. I need to consciously come back and actually see what you have written.

*slow clap* Very good. Your grasp of the obvious is incredible! Do you want a cookie?

After I have made my point perfectly clear, I often don't return to the thread. Your "explanation" doesn't even fall on ears, let alone deaf ones.

Yet frequently, you reply to said explanations.

Besides, it is not my responsibility to monitor what you read. You're the only one to blame for your self-opted ignorance. That excuse only works sometimes, especially considering how often this isn't the case, so I'd wager you're just lying, but I can't prove that.

The crowd was not in the palm of the collective hand of DX.

Yes, which is why they were on their feet for DX.

That's why they chanted for CM Punk as Triple H was about to do his shtick.

Which is again, great, but ignores the response just seconds ago for DX. If your entire basis for "outpopping" is that they chanted his name while Hunter had a mic in his hands, you've got nothing to go on, because DX had already gotten a PHENOMENAL response. Sorry.

Your "everyone's a winner" scenario is cute, but by your logic, there can't be a scene-stealer in a movie where everyone is getting along.

It's not a scenario, it's one element mentioned, I think twice.

By the way, you can't extend the logic that way. For one thing, a scene stealer usually isn't coming off a hot performance by someone else.

You're taking a specific and trying to apply it generically. That's dishonest at the least, and most likely retarded.

So what you're saying is that if Funaki was teaming with Triple H, and the fans gave Triple H a standing ovation, and gave Funaki nothing, it is incorrect to say Triple H out-popped Funaki? You're a special needs kid, dude.

Based on a dishonest comparison you made up. If you have to make up reasons to trash me, seek help.

And no, I'm not saying "In (loaded circumstance Noid uses, which ignores context and reasoning), (loaded statement)."

In fact, that usually applies to any time you ask me "So what you're saying is..."

I've amde what I'm saying clear. If you're being honest about not reading after you've said your peace, you're still setting up a defense that ignorance is an excuse. Making blatant assumptions which counteract what I have said should only reflect poorly on you. Somehow, you keep trying to make you own ignorance my problem.

Your way of looking at things also makes assumptions.

I rely on fewer assumptions than you, actually.

Not to mention after all the assumptions you made in this here post, that's grossly hypocritical.

You're assuming that the fans cared about DX more, when there is little evidence to support it.

I'm actually not assuming anything. People were just on their feet at DX's beck and call just a few seconds before. I'm merely observing that which you seem to be ignoring.

If so, you'd think the fans would have been chanting for them

You mean like they were, mere seconds before.

instead of their music getting a pop, and then the fans chanting for Punk.

Too bad you're skipping a step. I've got the DVD, man. I've explained this before, and once again, "ignorance is not an excuse."

Perhaps they did like DX more? You've got no way of knowing that. The flip-side of the argument doesn't need to make these assumptions to be correct. CM Punk got his name chanted over DX. This is a fucking fact.

Except it's not a fact. Saying something is fact doesn't make it true if it's not.

I've also never seen Destor blindly praise CM Punk. I've seen you blindly bash him?

You're at least 50% lying there.

What the fuck are you on about? Before what? All they did was make their entrance and do exactly what The Hardys and CM Punk did. Punk "became involved" before DX started their shtick. If you mean DX getting the best entrance pop, yes, I have mentioned it. You do not see it because you're retarded.

You're either hevily redefining "entrance pop," or you're selectively applying it. Or, of course, just talking out your ass. Not sure which.

It is just as correct for me to assume that DX's recogniseable and popular music got the crowd on their feet as opposed to who DX are, if you're allowed to attribute the fans chanting for "CM Punk" when they really meant "DX." God, you are so hopeless sometimes.

No, it's not. And this is why it amuses me when someone who cannot even apply proper reason to a discussion calls someone retarded. You know, since the music was gone and all.

But then, you're doing another common "noidism." You just said you don't know what I'm talking about, and having continued to argue it. You can say it's hypothetical, but it often leads to your steadfest conclusions. First you assume, then it becomes hard fact, even if told explicitly that it's not.

I'm not sure what version of the video I posted, to be honest.

So you're relying on a version of the video you don't know about, and I'm relying on a DVD version. I'd even allow for edited crowd response, except the crowd was on their feet for DX, who were already in the ring.

As has been said before, nobody's saying CM didn't get his name chanted, or even that it wasn't a nice sized pop.

Triple H obviously didn't feel comfortable with the situation, because he improvised and let CM Punk deliver the "Are you ready?" line, probably to remind the crowd that DX and Punk were teammates for the night. And Punk did lose his undefeated streak to Hardcore Holly the following edition of ECW, and was then the first to go in the Extreme Elimination Chamber the following weekend. Just saying. If "DX were in control," none of that would have happened.

That's speculation and assumption, and if you want to go there, fine. But from someone talking about how my statements make assumptions, you really shouldn't be bolstering your own assertions with similar assumptions.

Even if you take the entrance pops into consideration (which I had anyway), it's the build that's important. If someone goes out there and gets nothing, and then gets something, they are successful. Punk getting a smaller entrance pop than DX can be easily explained. The crowd were getting warmed up. When all five guys were in the ring, all the cards were on the table.

And the entire arena practically responded to DEEEEEE ECKSSSSSSS!

You can make as many back end justifications as you want (such as "the crowd was getting warmed up"), but....

The Philly fans, ROH marks they were, chanted for CM Punk. End of discussion.

A cloud is made of water. If I throw water up in the air, I will make a cloud. End of discussion.

[Fox]

Punk got a bigger pop/reaction/fan response/human energy rise that night than Triple H and Shawn Michaels.

I saw it live on PPV and laughed about it. Thousands of others saw it live too, and thousands more were there in the building. I would not be surprised if the actual DVD dumbs down the ridiculously big reaction that CM Punk garnered that evening. But it did happen.

Arguing the contrary is absurd.

[Fox]

Also, Kennedy does in fact suck as a face so far. Give him time though.

[rojas]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight But again. This is the Anti-Tude Era. Vince is trying to appeal to the Saturday Morning cartoons crowd.

Great statement indeed.

[rojas]

As far as Kennedy goes, I don't like him as a face at all. I'd like to see him as a heel going after the IC belt or do a program with Jeff Hardy. I think they would deliver some quality matches for sure.

Right now, he looks like that meathead walking out of the gym who couldn't beat a 10 year old.

[Fox]

Originally Posted by rojas Right now, he looks like that meathead walking out of the gym who couldn't beat a 10 year old.

Wait, a meathead who can't beat up a 10 year old? That doesn't make any sense. If he's a meathead then he's strong, and no 10 year old could fight off a muscle head. Come on.

[Sebastian]

At first I thought face kennedy would be a bad idea but last night on SmackDown!, I saw that Kennedy is really coming into himself as a face.

Like, last night he would scream Kennedy after each big move and the crowd was loving it, he was rally getting a reaction.

I think Kennedy has what it takes to make it big as a face OR as a heel because he was really making connections with the fans last night.

[screech]

I wouldn't say he's come into his own as a face yet, but he could soon. He's definitely a better heel by far. I'd like to see a Kennedy/Shelton feud down the line, if not now (or soon). Their match was quite awesome.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I haven't watched Smackdown from last night yet. WAY TO RUIN IT FOR ME!

[Sebastian]

Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla I haven't watched Smackdown from last night yet. WAY TO RUIN IT FOR ME!

Yo I didnt spoil anything I just said he had a match and even if u knew nothing about the show, u know that he is on SD and will 99.9999% will have have a match so it s not a spoiler.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I wasn't being serious, you crazy guy.