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Old 07-27-2008, 02:43 PM   #1
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Ken Kennedy as a face can fuck right off (Who annoys you most?)
Yuck. I loved the guy as the shit-talking heel who would fight anybody for any reason, but this watered down, crowd-pandering dillweed he's portraying now is in contention for the most annoying character on television. His ring work is...fine as it's ever been, I guess, but I just can't get behind his face character. Maybe it's just because I always like heels more, but he just makes my skin itch now.

What do you guys think about Kennedy? Also, to add another dimension to the thread, who is the most annoying CHARACTER in wrestling today?

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Old 07-27-2008, 02:45 PM   #2
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I like Mr Kennedy still

but Santino can seriously fucking die right now
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Old 07-27-2008, 02:48 PM   #3
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Santino still makes me laugh. I also like the character's total denial of how much his win-loss record sucks.

Kennedy just went face for pretty much no reason. Why would he start high fiving the fans just because he had beef with Regal? Just didn't make much sense to me. I think they could have turned him a little better.
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Old 07-27-2008, 02:52 PM   #4
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I actually like kennedy more as a face.
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Santino.

He's actually gotten worse.
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Old 07-27-2008, 04:19 PM   #6
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Santino.

He's actually gotten worse.
Is that possible?
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Old 07-27-2008, 03:57 PM   #7
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Did you not like Kennedy at all when he was a heel, though, AT?
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Did you not like Kennedy at all when he was a heel, though, AT?
As I said in the very first sentence in this thread, I loved Kennedy as a heel.
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As I said in the very first sentence in this thread, I loved Kennedy as a heel.
Yeah, that's what I read in here, but there WAS someone on this board that constantly said that they hated Kennedy when he was doing his heel gimmick. I figured it was you, but I could be wrong.
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Old 07-27-2008, 05:42 PM   #10
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Yeah, I pretty much agree. When the Rock went face he didn't go around sucking the first row's cock, he was the exact same character except feuding with Shane instead of Austin so it was okay to like him. It looked like Kennedy was going to do that when he started getting into with Regal, but now, no.

I find Finaly/Hornswoggle together annoying. I know he's a dad now, but he's supposed to love to fight and stuff, yet he hands out hats and toys to kids. That's not very threatening.
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Yeah, I pretty much agree. When the Rock went face he didn't go around sucking the first row's cock, he was the exact same character except feuding with Shane instead of Austin so it was okay to like him. It looked like Kennedy was going to do that when he started getting into with Regal, but now, no.

I find Finaly/Hornswoggle together annoying. I know he's a dad now, but he's supposed to love to fight and stuff, yet he hands out hats and toys to kids. That's not very threatening.
Old WWE versus new WWE.

Well, relatively, anyway.

All the new faces have to be babyfaces, and Cena and Orton should prove that.WWE has gone back to the idea of marketing a child-friendly, good guys win sort of era, and so the guys you cheer have to be "good."

The Rock might well have failed out in this environment. Same with Austin.
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The only reason i can see they turned Kennedy was for Behind Enemy Lines III. Which they may or may not plug him to death in.

But fact is, for me, kennedy is better as a heel.

Over a year ago, on SD, OLD ENTRANCE MUSIC, No sweatpants, back to his cool blue, black and white top and wrestling attire.... This guy was on the rise. All he says now is that he hails from Green bay but he's kicking it in . Way to kill a push if anything.

I like the guy, I don't like WWE's current use of him.
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Snitsky needs to go.
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I like Mr. Kennedy. He seems to play the asshole when it's left up to him, but the WWE does have him pandering to the fans. I wish there was some reason for it. Why can't they just let him be Mr. Kennedy and let the fans love him?

And yeah, Santino is definitely the worst thing in a WWE with Snitsky on the roster. He has to get my vote. The character is just not threatening. Finlay as a happy-go-lucky face using Hornswoggle's music is damn infuriating.
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Old 07-27-2008, 06:43 PM   #15
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No one said either of those gimmicks weren't awful as well.

A lot of shit in WWE is awful and still quite out weight the good.
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Yeah, Finlay and Hornswoggle annoy me even more than Mr. Kennedy. I forgot all about them. Heel Finlay was sweet, but now....

Thinking about it, I hope I'm not just incapable of liking faces. I don't think I am. Kofi Kingston is sweet, and The Hardyz are OK...but I can't think of too many more faces that I like.
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Old 07-27-2008, 08:02 PM   #17
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Dreamer is still a good face, but he will never go anywhere. Taker is still Taker. Um, HBK maybe? Jesse and Festus?
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Old 07-28-2008, 11:08 AM   #18
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I love Kennedy and I'm pissed he's not getting any kind of push. Yes, this character is terrible and they definitely should have turned him in a different way (a better way). He's great on the stick and awesome in the ring. The man should be World Champion.

As for most annoying character, are we sticking with WWE or is TNA acceptable? In WWE, I'm gonna say Finlay/Swog. They were tolerable when Swog was helping Finlay win matches, but now it just sucks. Is Finlay ever going to come out to his own music again?

In TNA, it's hard to pick just one. Super Eric is awful. Curry Man is awful (yes I said it). "Black Machismo" is awful. Rock and Rave Infection are intolerable except for Christy Hemme being on TV.

That said, the worst in TNA has gotta be Frank Trigg. I didn't think anyone could be more annoying and idiotic than Don West, but I stand corrected. One Kurt Angle is bad enough, we don't need to see a wannabe twin of his running around.
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I agree, Kennedy is better as a heel, he is just plain stupid as a face. They should have him turn Heel by teaming with Edge on Smackdown.

I find Viladmer Kozlov the most annoying right now. He sucks so bad its not funny and I hate jobber matches. They should get him away from TV ASAP.
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Kennedy is exactly the same as face, a boring untalented piece of shit who should be jobbing to Hornswoggle every week.
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The only difference is that he's being pushed as a face, that's why everyone hates him now.

If you're a face and you're not Shawn Michaels, the IWC hates you.
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The only difference is that he's being pushed as a face, that's why everyone hates him now.

If you're a face and you're not Shawn Michaels, the IWC hates you.
Yeah thats a problem, the internet has gotten a culture where it's "cool" to hate whoever the WWE pushes as a good guy nowdays because the only good guys ur suppose to like are "cool" ones that are actually not good guys but more like tweeners when real good guys are hated like Cena, Tista and Lashley (was). CM Punk is a face thats liked but thats because he is a "cool" guy character and not really a "good" guy character like it is meant to be. People blame the WWE for not enjoying it but they should often blame themselves because its the internet culture to hate popular things that makes the trouble here, not the WWE.
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Yeah thats a problem, the internet has gotten a culture where it's "cool" to hate whoever the WWE pushes as a good guy nowdays because the only good guys ur suppose to like are "cool" ones that are actually not good guys but more like tweeners when real good guys are hated like Cena, Tista and Lashley (was). CM Punk is a face thats liked but thats because he is a "cool" guy character and not really a "good" guy character like it is meant to be. People blame the WWE for not enjoying it but they should often blame themselves because its the internet culture to hate popular things that makes the trouble here, not the WWE.
I don't know if that's the case, really. I just think that there are different ways for somebody to be a face without being a crowd-pandering kiss-ass, and a lot of people get sick of seeing the same schtick. That's part of it, and furthermore, the way they just turned him basically out of nowhere and just expected you to accept him as a face just bothered me. They could have built the turn up more somehow.

Think back to Batista turning on Triple H. That was a face turn done BEAUTIFULLY, and I loved Batista for it, even though he was a face. Know what I mean?
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I don't know if that's the case, really. I just think that there are different ways for somebody to be a face without being a crowd-pandering kiss-ass, and a lot of people get sick of seeing the same schtick. That's part of it, and furthermore, the way they just turned him basically out of nowhere and just expected you to accept him as a face just bothered me. They could have built the turn up more somehow.

Think back to Batista turning on Triple H. That was a face turn done BEAUTIFULLY, and I loved Batista for it, even though he was a face. Know what I mean?
The major issue is that they generally get cheered for one thing, and then turned into a face which does another thing entirely. And 99% of the time, that other thing ends up being "kiss up to the fans," which was almost certainly the antithesis of what he was doing to get over in the first place.

I miss Eddie, because he was over as a face who still did a lot of the "bad" things that got him over. He lied. He cheated. He stole. He got mad pops. You don't need to blow the crowd to be a face, you don't need to be a superman, or whatever.

But again. This is the Anti-Tude Era. Vince is trying to appeal to the Saturday Morning cartoons crowd.
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But again. This is the Anti-Tude Era. Vince is trying to appeal to the Saturday Morning cartoons crowd.
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Yeah thats a problem, the internet has gotten a culture where it's "cool" to hate whoever the WWE pushes as a good guy nowdays because the only good guys ur suppose to like are "cool" ones that are actually not good guys but more like tweeners when real good guys are hated like Cena, Tista and Lashley (was). CM Punk is a face thats liked but thats because he is a "cool" guy character and not really a "good" guy character like it is meant to be. People blame the WWE for not enjoying it but they should often blame themselves because its the internet culture to hate popular things that makes the trouble here, not the WWE.
So it's our fault the WWE does thing that we don't like and have proven to be failures time and time again? OK.
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Old 07-28-2008, 04:53 PM   #27
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The only difference is that he's being pushed as a face, that's why everyone hates him now.

If you're a face and you're not Shawn Michaels, the IWC hates you.
So is CM Punk a heel? Because people have even gone so far as to pretend he outpopped DX or that his responses are better than they are on a weekly basis. Or Jericho? Hell, half the IWC still gobbles Triple H's cock when he's a shitty face.
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So is CM Punk a heel? Because people have even gone so far as to pretend he outpopped DX or that his responses are better than they are on a weekly basis.
Whilst this has been brought up (again)...I was watching Survivor Series 07 the other night so this is fresh in my mind...

I understand this "Punk outpopped DX" thing has been running for a while, I also understand that KK has been leading the argument against the above statement. I remember reading that KK (amongst other reasons) said that Punk's pop was a direct result of being put over by DX.

HOWEVER, the crowd started chanting Punk's name of it's own accord. Not whilst they were all doing the "Let's see which side of the crowd is the loudest" stuff. Not during any point where DX were 'controlling the crowd'. In fact the crowd started to chant Punk's name just as HHH was about to start his "Are you ready?".

At that point - seeing the reaction to Punk - HHH then brought Punk into the mic work (admittedly helping to put Punk over). Whether Punk outpopped DX is a matter for debate. The fact that the crowd chose to cheer Punk over DX is hard to deny.
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Whilst this has been brought up (again)...I was watching Survivor Series 07 the other night so this is fresh in my mind...

I understand this "Punk outpopped DX" thing has been running for a while, I also understand that KK has been leading the argument against the above statement. I remember reading that KK (amongst other reasons) said that Punk's pop was a direct result of being put over by DX.

HOWEVER, the crowd started chanting Punk's name of it's own accord. Not whilst they were all doing the "Let's see which side of the crowd is the loudest" stuff. Not during any point where DX were 'controlling the crowd'. In fact the crowd started to chant Punk's name just as HHH was about to start his "Are you ready?".

At that point - seeing the reaction to Punk - HHH then brought Punk into the mic work (admittedly helping to put Punk over). Whether Punk outpopped DX is a matter for debate. The fact that the crowd chose to cheer Punk over DX is hard to deny.
You're exactly right. Except, I would like to add that a pop can generally be described as a positive reaction. Having your name chanted could technically be classified as a pop. Hence, CM Punk "out-chanting" DX is synonymously CM Punk "out-popping" DX.

However, people continue to have their own little conspiracy theories about the event. It is no good to actually listen to what happened. Apparently that is not evidence that this [B]admittedly isolated[/I] event actually took place.
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However, people continue to have their own little conspiracy theories about the event. It is no good to actually listen to what happened. Apparently that is not evidence that this [b]admittedly isolated[/i] event actually took place.
Which would be great, if you weren't altering the argument just to shoot it down.

If you don't understand it still, feel free to ask, but it's been explained multiple times by multiple people.

By the way, if having your name chanted counts as the same thing as outpopping, so shouldn't the entire arena coming to their feet. And DX got that. Does this mean that DX outpopped DX?
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Finlay and Hornswoggle annoy me the most right now. Pretty much everyone with little kids as their biggest fanbase, I usually can't stand. But how Hornswoggle can win matches with a damn squirt gun really is annoying. Face Finlay is alright, but he also plays to the little kids too much.
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Kane. This storyline is not intriguing me at all. Since he lost the mask I havent' given a shit.
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LOL. The storyline is meant to be getting Kane back his mask, isn't it?
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I'm gonna reserve judgment on Kane until we see what's in the bag.
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Can someone please post a video of this Punk outpopped DX stuff?
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Can someone please post a video of this Punk outpopped DX stuff?
Here it is:



Anyone with an ear can tell what happened. The Hardys came out first, to a pretty nice pop. Then out comes CM Punk, to a comparable pop (it's hard to determine which is bigger to me). DX then comes out to the biggest entrance pop. The fans almost got an "HBK" chant started, even though Shawn looks like the biggest retard in the world acting like a toddler. Then Triple H leads a "crowd point-off" with Triple H taking one side, Shawn Michaels the opposite, with The Hardys and CM Punk respectively fielding the other two sides. After that, Triple H is about to do his "Are you ready?" spiel, but the fans cut him off with a "CM Punk" chant, which Triple H (wisely) acknowledges by letting Punk lead the DX shtick.

The crowd took a while to warm up through the entrances, but they were certainly most into Punk at the beginning of the match.
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It's shit like this that solidifies Kane Knight being the dumbest poster on the board. He was the most over that night, simple as. The fact that you dislike doesn't mean he's incapable of being over sorry to burst your bubble.

Using some of the kids slang you are a "hater." Get a clue.

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