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Old 09-22-2008, 11:40 PM   #41
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TNA is at least gaining money right now. All ECW was lose it.
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Old 09-22-2008, 11:43 PM   #42
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No one's arguing that. What's up for debate is has TNA made any new stars? The answer is no, hell they didn't even make the stars they have. AJ and Joe aren't stars on a national level, and Soma Joe's fans are all ROH/Japan fans. TNA didn't make them. ECW on the otherhand re-invented a shit ton of workers, made their own stars for their promotion and had two guys (Taz and Van Dam) who were stars on a national level prior to going to WWE.
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Old 09-23-2008, 12:49 AM   #43
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The biggest issue I have with the idea of TNA creating new stars is the fact that their only two points for argument right now are AJ Styles and Soma Joe. Two guys who are using the exact same characters they had in every other promotion they've ever been in. That's not creating a star. That's taking someone who already has some degree of fan fare in similar circle (the TNA audiance base is the ROH and Japan fan base) and just putting them on television as opposed to having them restricted to tape traders.

Do more people know about AJ Styles and Somoa Joe now than they did before? Absolutely. That does NOT mean that TNA created the stars. It's in the same regard as Van Dam, WWE did not make Van Dam a star. ECW did. ECW built him from Robbie V. They gave him his character, they gave him his initial stage to apply his craft and they gave him his main cult fan base. WWE just exposed him to a larger audiance. Those two acts are not the same thing.

For TNA to MAKE a star, even in their own company, they would have to have re-invented a worker. If James Storm, or Robert Roode or Kaz ever main event, I'll give TNA that they made their own star. They still haven't made a national star, but at least they'll have a start.
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Old 09-23-2008, 11:50 AM   #44
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TNA is at least gaining money right now. All ECW was lose it.
And TNA lost it for how many years? Without a patron company constantly funneling money into them for years, they would have been dead in a shorter time than ECW.

I mean, I know that this is beside the point, the question being about stars and all, but sometimes you see something so stupid you can't help but address it.
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Old 09-23-2008, 12:15 PM   #45
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So, TNA hasn't really made any stars? We can agree on that. Not even TNA level stars?
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Old 09-23-2008, 12:48 PM   #46
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What's a TNA level star, especially when the main event and high profile matches tend to go to guys who were stars (or at least made) before they came to TNA?
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Old 09-23-2008, 01:10 PM   #47
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I don't know.
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Old 09-23-2008, 03:04 PM   #48
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No, TNA hasn't even created a TNA level star. They've used either workers from other companies or just exposed a worker with the same gimmick to a larger fan base.
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Old 09-23-2008, 09:54 PM   #49
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So, TNA hasn't really made any stars? We can agree on that. Not even TNA level stars?
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Old 09-24-2008, 06:22 PM   #50
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I think a second-placed promotion has created a new star when they have a homegrown talent on their roster that gets fans mouths watering to see a match against their counterpart in the rival organisation. Everybody wanted to see Ric Flair vs Hulk Hogan. They wanted Bret Hart vs Sting. They wanted Austin v Goldberg. I think it also works better when the top dog in the rival promotion (WCW, NWA, TNA, whomever) has never worked for the WWE and the match has never taken place before.

Does anyone REALLY wanna see Samoa Joe v John Cena? Would anyone really get excited to watch Abyss vs Kane, or AJ Styles vs Randy Orton, or Awesome Kong vs Michelle McCool? Regardless of match quality, do any of those matches scream out "HUGE PPV BUYRATE" or "big match feel" or "all-time memorable moment"? When TNA has a guy that casuals and diehards alike are salivating to see go up against WWE's top dogs, then they have made a serious star.
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Old 09-24-2008, 06:25 PM   #51
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Although, I wouldn't mind seeing Shawn Michaels vs AJ Styles just because AJ reminds me of a young, early 90s Michaels... that's more from a match quality perspective than a "big match moment" though.
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Old 09-24-2008, 07:13 PM   #52
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You're right, CAC. It's sad too because they had something with some of those guys and then they just let it go.

Right now the only big promotion vs. promotion match I would be amped to see would be Awesome Kong vs. Mickie James.
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Old 09-24-2008, 11:28 PM   #53
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I would love to see Kong v Beth Phonics, but TNA didn't create Kong so much as show cased Kong.
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