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Old 09-18-2008, 12:19 PM   #1
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What new stars has TNA made?
Seriously, what stars have the actaully made since they opened their doors? They have Joe, I'll give them that. They claim they made AJ Styles, but I wouldn't call him a star. Am I missing anyone?
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Old 09-18-2008, 01:10 PM   #2
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I don't know if you can say TNA has created any stars to the point of taking them to a national spotlight type level. And when i say that, I mean like being as or close to well know as WWE is. To me, they are still the minor leagues, not the 2nd major wrestling company.

However, from the TNA fan point of view, I would say guys like Abyss, Joe, AJ, Bobby Rhoode, AMW, and a couple others were guys that were made or given national exposure in TNA. But to be really "made" in my opinion, you have to make it in WWE.

It's just like all those ECW guys going to WCW, where they became much more exposed to a national audience and were made into superstars

That's how I see it
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I think they launched quite a few guys (former WWE guys and otherwise) where if they were to enter the WWE they could easily be put into a main event spot, but to say they've truly "made" anyone where they're big enough that they are considered a superstar is a stretch.
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I mean taken a guy from the ground up and made him into a top player in their promotion. To me, Joe is the only guy they have really made. Abyss they tried to, but he is lacking something. Rhoode is close. I am not sure if they ever really got behind Kaz to get him over, the kinda did, but didn't take him all the way.

I know TNA can't make WWE sized stars yet, but the fact is, I can't say they have taken anyone besides Joe to the top of their promotion and kept them there.
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nah, I would definately give them AJ. If you watched TNA early on, he was just a generic Ring of Honor type guy. They gave him a heel persona and let him run with it and he has progressed a long way since then. You could see in 2003 that AJ was a future star easily. I really believe he could be a major star in WWE.
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I don't know if you can say TNA has created any stars to the point of taking them to a national spotlight type level. And when i say that, I mean like being as or close to well know as WWE is. To me, they are still the minor leagues, not the 2nd major wrestling company.

However, from the TNA fan point of view, I would say guys like Abyss, Joe, AJ, Bobby Rhoode, AMW, and a couple others were guys that were made or given national exposure in TNA. But to be really "made" in my opinion, you have to make it in WWE.

It's just like all those ECW guys going to WCW, where they became much more exposed to a national audience and were made into superstars

That's how I see it
I'd agree with that, but I would say ECW transcended that to a degree in two cases. Taz and Rob Van Dam. Beyond that, ECW didn't make any starts, and TNA hasn't made any stars either.
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Old 09-18-2008, 02:34 PM   #9
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Plus it's really hard for me to say TNA has even made any of their own stars really. I mean, back with ECW they didn't really have any companies with the same demo as them so when they had guys like Van Dam and Taz, they had to start from scratch, build them, and make them. TNA has ROH. Really, TNA hasn't made Joe or AJ, they just brought Joe and AJ from ROH and their general persona and respective fans came with them.
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Old 09-18-2008, 02:35 PM   #10
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Now if Rhoode, or Storm or Kaz got made, then yeah. I'd give them to TNA.
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I see AJ more of one of those part-time main eventers, sort of like Kane. He can satisfy the fans and can fill in a main event spot with ease. Sure, he's a star, but he will never be a true main eventer and likely will never lead the company.
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Kanes a good example, as is Jericho.

Of course, I honestly believe he'd be used the same in WWE. What do they have him doing in TNA? He's an uppermidcarder right?
He'd be an IC champ level guy, and be used similar to CM Punk and MVP circa 2007 if he was in WWE, I think.
Maybe he'd even get a push.

If he's staying with TNA because he thinks TNA is gonna push him bigger, and to further heights, and is afraid of WWE burying him then I think he's fucking up. If he's just loyal then that's cool.
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Joe and Styles....I would've said Daniels a while back but they've really dropped the ball on him.

They came close with Abyss but his ridiculous need to use tacks and gimmicks in every match really came back to bite him on the ass...

They might've had something with James Storm if they weren't afraid to push anyone other than WWE guys to main event status.

To me they've had better success with the women. I'd say they made Awesome Kong, Gail Kim, and ODB stars...

Again, as much as TNA can make someone a "star"
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"That Guy who does that awesome move" and/or "That guy who looks like a mini Scott Steiner" != "star".
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I would say Daniels is some sort of star, considering people I know that watch WWE, but don't watch TNA name Daniels as the first wrestler that they know from TNA.
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Now if Rhoode, or Storm or Kaz got made, then yeah. I'd give them to TNA.
Funny. You and BDC both misspell Roode's name the same way.

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"That Guy who does that awesome move" and/or "That guy who looks like a mini Scott Steiner" != "star".
I'm pretty sure Petey Williams was intended as a joke answer, Xero.
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This is hard to answer, because you have to go by what BDC's definition of a star is. I mean, you give him a fine answer like AJ Styles, and he turns it around and says it doesn't count.

Samoa Joe, Abyss, AJ Styles and to a certain degree, Christopher Daniels are all reasonable answers. They were nothing but indy guys before TNA signed them, and now they are well recognised within the wrestling world. I'd also submit Jay Lethal for consideration. They may be botching him, but Lethal has gotten some big wins in his young career, and prior to it was just another ROH guy the WWE were apparently looking at. Now he's got a gimmick and is largely over with crowds.

BDC isn't looking for these sort of "stars," but what TNA did with Christian Cage, Tomko and Rhino, and giving them big pushes that made them better than they had been in their career (in Rhino's case, maybe not better, but it made him the top guy in something other than a niche promotion). You have to agree that Tomko was much more relevent in TNA than in the WWE.

Matt Morgan seems well on the way to becoming a "star," too. As does Kaz, if they choose to push him right. In time, James Storm and Robert Roode could make it, too.

It all comes down to what your definition of "star" is, because it's really quite a subjective term. Especially in today's professional wrestling landscape.
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They took a fledgling black rapper named K-Kwik who was known for "gettin' rowdy" well after Piper and not much else. They gave him a serious gimmick and named him Ron "The Truth" Killings and made him their champion. Now that very man has resigned with the WWE, re-hyphenated his name and proudly raps to the ring once more. Success? I think so.
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Funny. You and BDC both misspell Roode's name the same way.
That is because I copied from him, it isn't all that funny.
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They took a fledgling black rapper named K-Kwik who was known for "gettin' rowdy" well after Piper and not much else. They gave him a serious gimmick and named him Ron "The Truth" Killings and made him their champion. Now that very man has resigned with the WWE, re-hyphenated his name and proudly raps to the ring once more. Success? I think so.
I'll give them K-Kwik. They brought him as far as they could back in the day. Granted it wasn't very far, but they tried and were as successful as the could be.
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This is hard to answer, because you have to go by what BDC's definition of a star is. I mean, you give him a fine answer like AJ Styles, and he turns it around and says it doesn't count.

Samoa Joe, Abyss, AJ Styles and to a certain degree, Christopher Daniels are all reasonable answers. They were nothing but indy guys before TNA signed them, and now they are well recognised within the wrestling world. I'd also submit Jay Lethal for consideration. They may be botching him, but Lethal has gotten some big wins in his young career, and prior to it was just another ROH guy the WWE were apparently looking at. Now he's got a gimmick and is largely over with crowds.

BDC isn't looking for these sort of "stars," but what TNA did with Christian Cage, Tomko and Rhino, and giving them big pushes that made them better than they had been in their career (in Rhino's case, maybe not better, but it made him the top guy in something other than a niche promotion). You have to agree that Tomko was much more relevent in TNA than in the WWE.

Matt Morgan seems well on the way to becoming a "star," too. As does Kaz, if they choose to push him right. In time, James Storm and Robert Roode could make it, too.

It all comes down to what your definition of "star" is, because it's really quite a subjective term. Especially in today's professional wrestling landscape.

When Christian won the the TNA title, it was about the same level as the IC title in WWE, he didn't really move foward, just laterally.

Rhino was pushed any more than he was pushed in ECW, so again TNA re-established him, or at least kept him momentum up.

Tomoko got over in TNA, but he had decent coverage in WWE. I can't say TNA made Tomoko any more than WCW made Nash. Certainly both were more popular when they moved, but they got a decent start before hand. Also Tomoko is at best right now a semi maineventer in TNA which is midcard in WWE. So it is hard to say TNA made him. He has done well in TNA none the less.

I agree Morgan, Roode, Storm, and Kaz all could be stars, but they aren't yet. So it is pointless to say they will be, especially since TNA preffers to pick up WWE's left overs instead of making new guys.
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It all comes down to what your definition of "star" is, because it's really quite a subjective term. Especially in today's professional wrestling landscape.
Which is interesting, given your use of it.

Spoiler: I'm not just talking about this thread. In fact, this thread's near the bottom of the list.
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Old 09-18-2008, 08:49 PM   #25
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Oh, I keep forgetting to say anything about Christopher Daniels. He never made it all the way as a star in TNA, when he was about too, he had the rug pulled out from under him by the "legends" TNA brought in. Now he is Curryman, who is decent at best.
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When Christian won the the TNA title, it was about the same level as the IC title in WWE, he didn't really move foward, just laterally.

Rhino was pushed any more than he was pushed in ECW, so again TNA re-established him, or at least kept him momentum up.

Tomoko got over in TNA, but he had decent coverage in WWE. I can't say TNA made Tomoko any more than WCW made Nash. Certainly both were more popular when they moved, but they got a decent start before hand. Also Tomoko is at best right now a semi maineventer in TNA which is midcard in WWE. So it is hard to say TNA made him. He has done well in TNA none the less.

I agree Morgan, Roode, Storm, and Kaz all could be stars, but they aren't yet. So it is pointless to say they will be, especially since TNA preffers to pick up WWE's left overs instead of making new guys.
It's especially pointless to say they could or will be, since the pattern is that they won't. Period.

It's interesting that people like Tomko, who were pushed beyond their means on a large stage, move to a small stage and are suddenly now stars.
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Old 09-18-2008, 09:06 PM   #27
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Well, it is all relative, isn't it.
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Old 09-18-2008, 09:46 PM   #28
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It's especially pointless to say they could or will be, since the pattern is that they won't. Period.

It's interesting that people like Tomko, who were pushed beyond their means on a large stage, move to a small stage and are suddenly now stars.
Not a Tomko fan or anything but I think maybe his stint in Japan had a bit to do with his progression from WWE too his time now in TNA.

He wouldnt be the first guy to go to Japan, learn to work a match then come back stateside to some form of stardom. Might not just be medium sized fish in a small pond syndrome as you suggest.
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Japan fatten him up so to speak.
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Not a Tomko fan or anything but I think maybe his stint in Japan had a bit to do with his progression from WWE too his time now in TNA.

He wouldnt be the first guy to go to Japan, learn to work a match then come back stateside to some form of stardom. Might not just be medium sized fish in a small pond syndrome as you suggest.
Oi.

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Abyss, AJ Styles, and Samoa Joe is really about it. And by star I mean other wrestling fans know who they are. The average Joe on the street probably doesn't, but then again, they probably don't know who Batista or JBL are either.

Christopher Daniels was on track, he even wrestled Sting once, but then they pulled the carpet out from under him and now he's a comedy act. Fucking sad.
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It seems TNA wants to try so hard to make Eric Young a star.
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Eric Young sucks. I have never really understood his appeal.
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Not a Tomko fan or anything but I think maybe his stint in Japan had a bit to do with his progression from WWE too his time now in TNA.

He wouldnt be the first guy to go to Japan, learn to work a match then come back stateside to some form of stardom. Might not just be medium sized fish in a small pond syndrome as you suggest.
Very true. The Tomko in the WWE was green. Very green. When he went to Japan he learned to work and work well. The Tomko we se today is one of. if not the, best big man in the buisness state-side today. With talks of him coming back to TNA there is strong chance for him to be in the upper main event in no time. And he could do very realistically do this in TNA or the E with ease. The guy is getting great.
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I would say guys like Abyss, Joe, AJ, Bobby Rhoode, AMW, and a couple others were guys that were made or given national exposure in TNA. But to be really "made" in my opinion, you have to make it in WWE.
Honestly - I don't TNA has created any stars whatsoever. In my opinion - NONE of TNA's "home grown" talent would barely get a mild crowd reaction at best if even one of them jumped ship to the WWE.

By contrast - guys like Goldberg, Booker T, Scott Steiner, RVD, DDP, etc. all got very respectable crowd reactions upon debuting in the WWE.

Now I realize that TNA shouldn't be compared to the likes of WCW and ECW (since their budget, exposure, etc. is much smaller), but I just *hate* the term 'star' being thrown around irresponsibly.

In my humble opinion - *no* homegrown talent in TNA is a star. Outside of TNA and a few indy circles, no one knows about them or gives a shit about them. Just keeping it real.
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Now I realize that TNA shouldn't be compared to the likes of WCW and ECW (since their budget, exposure, etc. is much smaller), but I just *hate* the term 'star' being thrown around irresponsibly.
TNA's budget and exposure smaller than ECW's?
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TNA's budget and exposure smaller than ECW's?
I might be wrong on that, but that was the impression that I was under (the OLD ECW...not the one at current).

If I'm wrong, then that makes my opinion about TNA to be even less.
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Old 09-22-2008, 06:36 PM   #38
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TNA has about 10 times the budget and production value of ECW. Back before the TNN deal, ECW TV was edited in a basement. Promos were usually done there too.

Read HArdcore History for a great in depth description of their budget. All the companies assets were a Truck, a Van, and the ring. That is about all they owned. They rented the lights and cameras. They had zero production. They had to use real music because they had no money to make their own. They had to use covers to avoid paying royalties.

If ECW had the money TNA has behind it, they would have made it much farther than they did.
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Yeah, TNA had lost more money in the first two or three years of it's inception than ECW ever had to lose period.
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Old 09-22-2008, 10:23 PM   #40
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ECW also had a lot more exposure, which was the other half. Part of that was simply the sheer volume of fans at the height of wrestling interest, but that doesn't change the fact that there was more exposure. When Tazzzzz had the "Mood is about to change" promos, people (Not everyone, mind) knew who was coming. Enough to matter. If AJ Styles ran a promo, say a "I suck dick for quarters" campaign, You'd see only a fraction of people who would recognise him or care. The only person I could see managing any sort of real celebrity is Soma Joe, and that's still a stretch in my book.
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