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Old 01-20-2009, 02:45 PM   #41
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Old 01-20-2009, 02:46 PM   #42
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If we're gonna talk about shit that's lost meaning we should talk about mid card titles, the actually matterd...
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Old 01-20-2009, 02:48 PM   #43
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So basically you're saying if it wasn't a big deal in kayfabe it doesn't matter.

Because the Grand Slam was such a big deal after the Michaels storyline, right?
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Old 01-20-2009, 02:49 PM   #44
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This was established and agreed upon years ago.
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Old 01-20-2009, 02:58 PM   #46
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So basically you're saying if it wasn't a big deal in kayfabe it doesn't matter.

Because the Grand Slam was such a big deal after the Michaels storyline, right?
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Old 01-20-2009, 02:59 PM   #47
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Oh, you gotta remember Destor is a wrestler, therefore knows more than us dumb marks.
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Old 01-20-2009, 02:59 PM   #48
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So basically you're saying if it wasn't a big deal in kayfabe it doesn't matter.

Because the Grand Slam was such a big deal after the Michaels storyline, right?
To add on this if it has no value in kayfabe then the "meaning" it has is the meaning you give it in your mind. Which is worthless.
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I don't think Destor's riegn as king of the forum has any meaning, what do you think of them apples. But basically we are in agreement that right now the Triple Crown is pretty much meaningless, and in the past its meaning has been debatable at best?
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Old 01-20-2009, 03:05 PM   #50
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Would it be an accomplishment if someone was to win the 5 singles titles currently avaible in WWE?
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Old 01-20-2009, 03:10 PM   #52
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That would depend on how the WWE played it up. It's only relevent if people care. Like Punk beating the record for quickest triple crown. Sure it's a fin factoid for us nerds but really means fuck all. HBM's grandslam? Pretty big deal though. It's all image and perception.
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Espeically since Punk's WHC was crap, and his tag team title reign is forgetable at best.
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Sure it's a fin factoid for us nerds but really means fuck all. HBM's grandslam?
We're debating over fake championships. None of it, the WWE title, the WHC, the NWA title or whatever always meant "fuck all".
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Old 01-20-2009, 03:14 PM   #55
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I totally disagree but you're really changing the subject. We're talking perception here and these things mean a whole hell of a lot if you make them to.
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Old 01-20-2009, 03:16 PM   #56
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That's like saying the ending to Die Hard means "fuck all."
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Old 01-20-2009, 03:17 PM   #57
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The end of Die Hard does mean fuck all.
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Honestly, going by what you're saying, the ONLY Grand Slam champion that should be recognized from an "accomplishment" point of view is Michaels. I cannot remember the last time they even mentioned someone being a grand slam champion other than in passing once or twice.

It was done once, 13 years ago. To fans today, 13 years ago means jack shit and the only ones who really remember it are us nerds. It has one leg up on the triple crown, but that doesn't nullify the original triple crown.
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they mentioned it here recently for hardy. JR went through the list of most who did it. Same when RVD made the list and others.
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Old 01-20-2009, 03:24 PM   #62
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They don't even acknowledge the existance of Triple crown.
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Oh no?

http://www.wwe.com/superstars/hallof...romorales/bio/

Career Highlights: WWE Champion, Intercontinental Champion, World Tag Team Champion, first "Triple Crown" winner in WWE history, won several regional championships in Florida and California
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The website is your defense? Come on Xero.
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Old 01-20-2009, 03:31 PM   #65
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It means nothing.

Triple Crown mattered when there were only 3 titles, so it was impressive.

Grand Slam was even more "elite" when a 4th title was added.

Triple crown means nothing now with all the titles, as you are just winning 3/7.

Now, Edge I think has won 6/7 titles, so if he wins the US title he with me a Septuple Crown winner, which would be cool.
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I want to correct something, if the WWE started counting US champion in the triple crown, then Bigshow would also be a triple crown with Cena and Bradshaw.
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The website is your defense? Come on Xero.
You can't dismiss it if it's on the official site. I just proved the existence of the Triple Crown in the "WWE Universe". I'd assume it was mentioned when Morales first won it and I'm sure it was mentioned during his induction into the Hall of Fame.

If someone can confirm the HoF bit, I've solidly confirmed the triple crown's existence. Or are you going to dismiss that as well?
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WWE.Com's acknowledgment of the Triple Crown is spotty at best.
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It means nothing.

Triple Crown mattered when there were only 3 titles, so it was impressive.

Grand Slam was even more "elite" when a 4th title was added.

Triple crown means nothing now with all the titles, as you are just winning 3/7.

Now, Edge I think has won 6/7 titles, so if he wins the US title he with me a Septuple Crown winner, which would be cool.
Edge hasn't won the US title?
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You can't dismiss it if it's on the official site. I just proved the existence of the Triple Crown in the "WWE Universe". I'd assume it was mentioned when Morales first won it and I'm sure it was mentioned during his induction into the Hall of Fame.

If someone can confirm the HoF bit, I've solidly confirmed the triple crown's existence. Or are you going to dismiss that as well?
HoF and I will give some small credit. Though I can almost garuntee that "Triple Crown" wasn't mentiond when he won the final belt in his collection.
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Shit, he went in in 1995. Thought it was 2004.

I'll still prove it, though.
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Edge hasn't won the US title?
Edge won the WCW US title and its history is connected to the WWE's version.
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But he does need to pick up the ECW Championship to complete his "Septuple Crown".
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Now that could be viewed as an achievement.

Plus he won the King of the Ring, and Mitb. A Devils Septuple Crown
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Oh yeah, my bad
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Yes, Edge would need that. I think Bigshow just needs the ic title.
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Anyways, I've made my feelings clear on the Triple Crown/Grand Slam thing in the other thread, but to some up:

Pre Euro Title the Triple Crown meant something.

Post Euro Title the Grand Slam meant something, the Triple Crown meant less.

In today's WWE neither the Triple Crown nor Grand Slam mean shit to me personally.

I guess an argument could be made that if the guy has picked up the 3 titles from the one show at any given time then it's a pretty big achievement. But if we are arguing that both the WWE and WHC are counted and/or the World/WWE Tag Titles are included then I don't buy it.
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Now that could be viewed as an achievement.

Plus he won the King of the Ring, and Mitb. A Devils Septuple Crown
Then add a Rumble win and he's collected it all.
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Correction, Bigshow needs to win Smackdown's tag team title, the IC, and WHC for the 7 crown.
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You know what, because of Added titles, retired titles, this is all irrelevant.
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