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Old 02-24-2009, 08:13 PM   #41
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The whole point of non-wrestlers is to supplement the show. McMahon was a heat machine when his character debuted and he used it elevate heels by associating them with him. They're doing the same with Vickie. If you can get more heat with a non-wrestler, why not do it?
Seriously. Look at it historically. When Heenan was a manager, he was almost always far more over than the guy he managed. Same with a guy like Jimmy Hart. Tell me you EVER have success as a god damn wrestling Mountie without Hart there. As much as I don't give a shit about Paul Heyman, without him Brock Lesnar is nothing but an Albert, a Nathan Jones, a Gene Snitsky, or a Mike Knox.* Don't even get me started on how many guys owed their own personal overage to fantastic commentators like Monsoon, Ventura, Heenan, etc. Is the Steve Austin package complete without JR's Oklahoma-gasms? I really don't think so.

*Forgot to add the asterisk explanation: I know that Lesnar has always had more talent in one testicle than the rest of those guys combined, but without Heyman as a mouthpiece, I don't see him EVER getting over. ESPECIALLY once he spoke.
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Old 02-24-2009, 08:20 PM   #42
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Old 02-24-2009, 08:20 PM   #43
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Fuck Rey, if it doesn't bother Chavo or Vickie, then you should be ok with it.
BDC, you should know by now that as wrestling fans on the internet, any member of the IWC has absolute moral authority to pass judgment.

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I have never really liked her because I always felt weird about that fact that she has kind of profited from Eddie's death.
I wouldn't even say that she profited from his death. If he was still alive and going strong, she'd probably not be much better off than she is now. She was given an opportunity to work with the company, less because of his death and more because of what he did for the business and the company. What she has gone on to become is entirely due to her ability to be fucking awesome as a heel figure. She may have been given the spot out of sympathy or pity or charity or whatever; she's kept it because she does it well. She's earned the right to be there. The only people I can think of who have conceivably been better at doing what she does have been Vince, Shane, and MAYBE Bischoff.
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Old 02-24-2009, 11:14 PM   #44
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How dare a heel get heat! What the fuck is wrong with WWE?

All of you overbearing self-righteous smarks need to go fuck off.
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Old 02-25-2009, 01:04 AM   #45
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Chavo wishes he had a buck to bum out
Because working in the two biggest wrestling companies available to compete in consistently for the last 15 years certainly isn't a living...

But seriously, Chavo should be either very proud or very ashamed of the heat Vickie is getting. I'd have to suggest that Vickie is more over as a heel than anyone in the company is as a face. The WWE should start selling "Fire Vickie" t-shirts. They'd make a bundle.
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Old 02-25-2009, 02:00 AM   #46
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Old 02-25-2009, 02:05 AM   #47
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I have tried to hate her a lot of times but she reminds me of Eddie.

BTW, I simply hate when Chavito jobs.
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Old 02-25-2009, 03:00 AM   #49
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They should bring Eric Bischoff back to manage RAW. Bischoff versus Vickie could be great TV.
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Old 02-25-2009, 05:40 AM   #50
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They should bring Eric Bischoff back to manage RAW. Bischoff versus Vickie could be great TV.
Eric stealing Vickie away from Edge would be fucking hilarious. Chavo would have to call Bischoff "Uncle Eric," which would put him in the same family tree as Eugene.

Seriously, though, on the topic of non-wrestling characters, I wish the WWE would re-hire Paul Heyman for some televised role. That man is an incredible performer. Also, while I can't be bothered of a suitable role for him, I wish Joey Styles would make the occasional appearance.
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Old 02-25-2009, 10:33 AM   #51
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He didn't value his life by getting clean off drugs?
Except he didn't get clean. He was preaching that shit while still doing drugs.

So no, he didn't value his life by getting clean.
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Old 02-25-2009, 11:17 AM   #52
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Seriously, though, on the topic of non-wrestling characters, I wish the WWE would re-hire Paul Heyman for some televised role. That man is an incredible performer.
As long as he's not commentating, I'd be all for it.

On topic, Vickie is amazing. She was given a job to do and she is doing it very, very well. Fucking heat machine.
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Old 02-25-2009, 11:42 AM   #53
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Saw the beginning of Raw and the heat she gets is nothing short of incredible. Only ever saw her on Smackdown before so figured a lot of heat was piped in but on Monday, Jesus the heat she got made Cena seem like the most popular guy in the universe, something no other heel in the last few years has been able to do.

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Seriously, though, on the topic of non-wrestling characters, I wish the WWE would re-hire Paul Heyman for some televised role. That man is an incredible performer. Also, while I can't be bothered of a suitable role for him, I wish Joey Styles would make the occasional appearance.
I'm sure there's a manager role for him somewhere but me thinks his time in the WWE is finished.

As for Styles, a role for the best commentator over the last 15 years, tricky one that is.

I actually don't think there is an on-screen role for Styles unless they allow him to call matches on his own. Don't think he works well with anyone. Barely ever saw ECW but I believe Cyrus was a decent foil for him but I don't think anyone currently in the WWE would work well with Styles. Perhaps JBL but even that's a stretch.
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Old 02-25-2009, 11:44 AM   #54
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Except he didn't get clean. He was preaching that shit while still doing drugs.

So no, he didn't value his life by getting clean.
All sources and stories lead to Eddie being clean at the time of his death for for atleast a year prior. Dunno why you find this so hard to believe. I'm not saying he's an angel or anything, far from it, but he did go down hard to drugs and alcohol, got clean, came back, won a World Title, and then died while on the road. Everyone claims he was an amazing person for the last few years of his life, offering advice and getting close with his God. He's the basic story of a man who has saved his own soul.
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Old 02-25-2009, 12:11 PM   #55
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All sources and stories lead to Eddie being clean at the time of his death for for atleast a year prior. Dunno why you find this so hard to believe. I'm not saying he's an angel or anything, far from it, but he did go down hard to drugs and alcohol, got clean, came back, won a World Title, and then died while on the road. Everyone claims he was an amazing person for the last few years of his life, offering advice and getting close with his God. He's the basic story of a man who has saved his own soul.
Signature Pharmacy says otherwise, at least on steroids. Tox report disagrees with your "all sources" bullshit. The IWC can make up as much info as they want, but it doesn't really change the truth. He didn't save his soul. He was another Hypochristian who juiced while preaching he had changed.

But that's paints something in an unpopular light; therefore it must be cast out for soothing platitudes.
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Old 02-25-2009, 12:45 PM   #56
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If you look at pictures of him before he died, he was ripped. He was more ripped then than when he was a young man. How can you say he wasn't juicing? Also, he was best friends with Chris Benoit, who we know for a fact was juicing. It is safe to assume they were probably juicing up together.
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Old 02-25-2009, 04:18 PM   #57
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Juice or no juice, Eddie was the man.
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Old 02-25-2009, 04:20 PM   #58
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No, Rick Flair was the man. If anything Eddie was el hombre.
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Old 02-25-2009, 04:22 PM   #59
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Old 02-25-2009, 04:29 PM   #60
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Meh, Eddie wasn't even the man. I still think the best thing he did for his career was die. I mean now he is a legend, a hall of famer, and pretty much untouchable. He didn't have the chance to go the Kurt Angle/crazy route or tarnish his good name anymore than being a druggy could.
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Saw the beginning of Raw and the heat she gets is nothing short of incredible. Only ever saw her on Smackdown before so figured a lot of heat was piped in but on Monday, Jesus the heat she got made Cena seem like the most popular guy in the universe, something no other heel in the last few years has been able to do.


I'm sure there's a manager role for him somewhere but me thinks his time in the WWE is finished.

As for Styles, a role for the best commentator over the last 15 years, tricky one that is.

I actually don't think there is an on-screen role for Styles unless they allow him to call matches on his own. Don't think he works well with anyone. Barely ever saw ECW but I believe Cyrus was a decent foil for him but I don't think anyone currently in the WWE would work well with Styles. Perhaps JBL but even that's a stretch.
I think Joey Styles would work well in the booth with JBL, Josh Mathews or even Matt Striker. Probably in that order from best chemistry to worst, too. Except Vince doesn't really like his commentary.

Maybe they could have Joey Styles get his own backstage interview show? They have Jim Ross do the occasional sit-down interview, but what if Joey Styles did that? Or hosted some sort of "Styles' Superstar Spotlight" segment, where he talked about a wrestler and really put over their abilities and career?

As for Paul Heyman, I honestly never dug him too much as a manager. As a commentator he was classic, and he played the evil owner so well. He'd have made a great interim General Manager of RAW while Stephanie was playing injured.
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Eddie Guerrero was about to reach new heights as a performer in 2005, I think. If you believe the rumours, he was about to win the World Heavyweight Title off Batista, because he was just too much of a fireball for the WWE to deny.

If he didn't die, I truthfully believe that eventually he would have become "the guy" in the WWE. He never even got to run on RAW as a main eventer. Imaging main event programs with Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Chris Jericho and even John Cena just do awesome things to the mind.
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Old 03-03-2009, 03:10 AM   #64
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Old 03-03-2009, 04:48 PM   #65
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She is just cashing in on here husbands name like every other mexican does in WWE
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Old 03-03-2009, 04:52 PM   #66
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Damned dirty Mexicans....


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Old 03-03-2009, 07:04 PM   #67
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Perhaps that's why Paul London was released? Not riding on Eddie Guerrero's legacy?
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Old 03-03-2009, 10:54 PM   #68
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Okay. She started as a charity case. - That already pisses me off. Next, she's ugly, has annoying voice and has been on television for much longer than she necessary.
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Old 03-03-2009, 10:55 PM   #69
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Some Optimist you are.
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"Excuse me!" is brilliant
Have they slapped that on a shirt yet for $25? Id buy it if it was even a halfway decent design.
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Old 03-04-2009, 04:00 AM   #71
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I think the only reason they haven't produced "Fire Vickie" t-shirts yet is because it would out-sell Cena's merchandise, and then the WWE would have no reason to cling so tightly to him.
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