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Old 04-11-2009, 11:20 AM   #1
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Kalyx, I'm sure you're more interested in the fight. but the rest of the community? You really think so? And do you believe that the lion's share of Guitar Hero fans just play "for fun?" Perhaps you believe the world is flat and the Government faked the Moon landing just to show their high res, staged shots of a round planet?
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Old 04-11-2009, 11:25 AM   #2
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Number one, the Earth is flat. The curvature you see from high enough points is a light-based illusion. Secondly, we never landed on the moon. That video is a Hollywood production.
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Old 04-11-2009, 11:59 PM   #3
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How long have you been playing the Tekken series? Juggles got crazy by part 4. Don't say shit like "always" and "forever" and cover your ass by predicting somebody would jump on it. Calling it won't stop me or anyone from going the only logical route, that is to say you're wrong.

And how many games are combo heavy versus my model of combat? A fucking lot.

And where's my evidence of combos dominating top level play?


Actually not so combo centric (3rd Strike), but how would it look having nothing but vids that prove my pint, right?
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Old 04-12-2009, 12:19 AM   #4
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Yeah, it's certainly "covering my ass" to point out that I'm not being literal. It's certainly not your fault for ignoring an entire section of the statement in favor of the juicy parts. Clarification? The rest of the argument? Why, the only relevant part of the argument is the one you can argue with, not the parts you can't! Pretend those aren't there! It's the only logical route, am I right? Just take out a tiny segment, throw it out of context, and congratulations! I mean, I even went so far as to tell you what my argument wasn't before you proceeded to plow on through the door.

Also, did you even fucking watch those videos, or do you just not understand what those guys are doing? Except for the Tekken vids--which were from the same tournament, if I'm not mistaken--the majority of those fights were won with fake outs, throws, and in the KoF case, tactical switchups. I mean, for a guy that can't take me seriously, you're awfully... I don't know... incapable of defending your stance.

Oh, wait. Your stance is just you pissing and crying about shit everybody else got used to years ago. Sorry, I forgot how hard it is to defend driving the wrong way down a one way street.
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Old 04-12-2009, 12:39 AM   #5
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Yeah, it's certainly "covering my ass" to point out that I'm not being literal. It's certainly not your fault for ignoring an entire section of the statement in favor of the juicy parts. Clarification? The rest of the argument? Why, the only relevant part of the argument is the one you can argue with, not the parts you can't! Pretend those aren't there! It's the only logical route, am I right? Just take out a tiny segment, throw it out of context, and congratulations! I mean, I even went so far as to tell you what my argument wasn't before you proceeded to plow on through the door.

Also, did you even fucking watch those videos, or do you just not understand what those guys are doing? Except for the Tekken vids--which were from the same tournament, if I'm not mistaken--the majority of those fights were won with fake outs, throws, and in the KoF case, tactical switchups. I mean, for a guy that can't take me seriously, you're awfully... I don't know... incapable of defending your stance.

Oh, wait. Your stance is just you pissing and crying about shit everybody else got used to years ago. Sorry, I forgot how hard it is to defend driving the wrong way down a one way street.
Oh yeah, the concept was beyond me.

Let's review for your sake:
  • I don't dislike combo, I think they have become a stale constant in games that have glorified them beyond other offensive options.
  • I don't want certain games to suddenly not be combo-based. Talking about how weird Marvel Vs Capcom would be without combos in retaliation, for instance (which some jackass in the other forum did).
  • Let's not pretend it's something I just never came to grips with. I don't question conventions because they overcome me. Yeah fucking right.
  • The mind games that take place before the fact can be done in any fighting game ever made. Eating massive damage cause you caught a launcher? Fine in certain games. But there's a lot of games where you can put down your controller and get a drink before the fight resumes after a juggle.

But it looks like you're okay with the landscape (or am I being pretentious in saying so?). But the fact remains that in most fighting games, most fights are decided by combos. Mind games and set-ups are romantic and all, but dial-a-combos save the day. Forgive me for wanting more fighting games evolve past this. And no, Tekken 6 extending the life bar doesn't count.
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Old 04-12-2009, 12:29 AM   #6
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You know what, fuck it. I'm not feeding into your desperate plea for validation from your fellow neckbeards any further, and I really should have stopped pretending this was a legitimate subject for discussion instead of some half assed attempt at gamer blogging the second I realized you posted this exact topic over multiple forums. You can neither put up a solid argument without stumbling through a mine field of primitive fallacies, nor respond without throwing up a bunch of buzzwords and name drops as if being the cool kid at your particular table somehow makes your bullshit easier to choke down. See you guys after I get done doing something that's actually halfway entertaining.
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For example, not Tekken.
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Old 04-12-2009, 12:42 AM   #8
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For example, not Tekken.
Tekken > Virtua Fighter

Just in case anyone thinks otherwise.
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Old 04-12-2009, 04:36 AM   #9
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Tekken > Virtua Fighter

Just in case anyone thinks otherwise.
There is no need to be so wrong that the universe implodes there, Kalyx.
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Old 04-12-2009, 11:23 AM   #10
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They're trying to get Tekken vs Virtua Fighter going. The Tekken guys got a test-engine going for the concept. If Namco gets to develop the game, it'll be my favorite VF title ever.
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Old 04-12-2009, 12:41 AM   #11
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NO

AM2 develops it or no sale. Don't want tiger heads and satan-incarnates flipping around in an otherwise awesome game (VF)
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Just because Virtua Fighter isn't as farfetched as tekken, doesn't mean it's so realistic that it would be ruined by a crossover featuring those types of characters.
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I didn't mean that, I just meant that I could see Namco completly bastardising the VF characters.
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I didn't mean that, I just meant that I could see Namco completly bastardising the VF characters.
Well I imagine it would be a joint project, so I doubt that would happen.
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Well I imagine it would be a joint project, so I doubt that would happen.
I dunno, Yu Suzuki doesn't really work at Sega anymore. Sega will just sign the deal and say "money please", maybe even throw in the rights for Sonic to take some bukkake.
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Virtua fighter IS NOT realistic. Ugh ....virtua fighter
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Well yeah, of course t's not realistic. Realism is not that awesome.
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Even if they do that, Namco knows the money is in Tekken vs Virtua Fighter. Not Ten vs Virtua Fighter characters with tekken makeovers.

They would have nothing to gain from changing the VF characters.
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They could swerve it and make a 3D MvC2 style game, just to piss everyone off
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Thinking about Yu not being there, I do not have high hopes for VF6 either . God I wish Model 3 emulation was here, VF3TB on Dreamcast just isn't the same
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I think Namco's smart enough to respect VF characters but have them play better than they did. VF with limb-based attacks would be interesting, though I wouldn't mind Tekken adopting the punch-kick-block model either. Namco would be doing SEGA a favor with this one.
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Hmmm, just found some special edition VF4 disc that has all the VF4 characters/moves but in the VF1 engine. I didn't know I owned that....
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Old 04-12-2009, 05:19 PM   #25
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I tried so hard to like VF but it comes off as floaty and boring. I would give VF5 a try and even buy if the chance came around, if only to build a fighting game library. DOA4's more fun to me.
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I tried so hard to like VF but it comes off as floaty and boring. I would give VF5 a try and even buy if the chance came around, if only to build a fighting game library. DOA4's more fun to me.
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It's always been like that though, it's weird. Everyone can agree on what is a good fighting game (not always agree on whats the best) apart from VF and Tekken which just draws polar opposites.

I know what you mean though, I prfer DOA over Tekken.
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VF vs Tekken needs to happen. I think the teams should mix and match to design the game. But I'd love to see Namco's crossover engine in motion. What elements stayed and what left. His comments ruined my day, I've been thinking about it for a while.
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