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Old 04-21-2009, 12:25 AM   #1
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Pedigree.

Boom.

It's all over.

:::repeat x3:::::

Matt Hardy goes back to being a mid-card loser.

Until the WWE does a better job of allowing mid-card talent to break through the glass ceiling and not being transitional champs at best, the WWE will never address its main core problems.

With that in mind, it's basically irrelevant if the WWE has Matt embarrass the shit out of Jeff......and that's the point that everyone in this thread, besides me, has missed.
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Old 04-20-2009, 10:31 PM   #2
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Old 04-20-2009, 10:51 PM   #3
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He did get a chance you half wit. Beeting H clean isn't what defines a chance. He was given the ball in wa y that if he did get that third strike it would be a massive botch. They gave him the ball and protected themselves. WHat the fuck are you on about Heyman?
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He did get a chance you half wit. Beeting H clean isn't what defines a chance. He was given the ball in wa y that if he did get that third strike it would be a massive botch. They gave him the ball and protected themselves. WHat the fuck are you on about Heyman?
Few things:

1) It's spelled 'half witt'.

2) Beeting?

3) And yes - beating Triple H cleanly during his push last year would've been a huge fucking thing.

4) When you have a chance to elevate someone (anyone) from a rising mid-card star into a major long term main-event guy, you push the guy. Fuck the wellness policy. If he fucks up, then penalize the guy AFTERWARDS. No big deal. They did it with Van Dam, they did it with Orton, etc., etc.

Very rarely, especially nowadays, does the WWE actually have a guy getting massive face pops from the crowd....almost begging for him to get elevated. When you get a guy like that, YOU PUSH HIM. Plain and simple.

You don't let some fear of some fucking wellness policy kick in.

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Few things:

1) It's spelled 'half witt'.

2) Beeting?

3) And yes - beating Triple H cleanly during his push last year would've been a huge fucking thing.

4) When you have a chance to elevate someone (anyone) from a rising mid-card star into a major long term main-event guy, you push the guy. Fuck the wellness policy. If he fucks up, then penalize the guy AFTERWARDS. No big deal. They did it with Van Dam, they did it with Orton, etc., etc.

Very rarely, especially nowadays, does the WWE actually have a guy getting massive face pops from the crowd....almost begging for him to get elevated. When you get a guy like that, YOU PUSH HIM. Plain and simple.

You don't let some fear of some fucking wellness policy kick in.

Moron.

Yeah Destor FFS its much better to push him to the moon and then when he gets coked up the night he wins the belt and kills a prostitute you make him drop it the next day before getting fired. Its better for the business all around.

Plus you can use the prostitues corpse to create a new star, you know like they did with Katie Vick and Kane.

You obviously dont understand the business as well as Knoblet here.
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Yeah Destor FFS its much better to push him to the moon and then when he gets coked up the night he wins the belt you make him drop it the next day before getting fired.

You obviously dont understand the business as well as Knoblet here.
The rewards still outweigh the risks by a significant margin.

Case in point - Brock Lesnar.

The WWE pushed him to the moon and as result, created a new main-eventer.

Lesnar however, ultimately quit the company. Were the WWE completely ruined by the fact that they spend so much time and effort in pushing Lesnar, only to have him leave? Not really.

Same with RVD when he beat John Cena at One Night Stand back in 2006. RVD gained massive credibility that night. Was the WWE completely ruined by the fact that RVD got busted on marijuana possession a month later?

No - looking back on it, it wasn't that big a deal. RVD dropped the ball, and the WWE moved on.


I am not trying to deliberately be a dick to you.....knoblet. However - I do require a certain amount of intelligence when I debate with others. Unfortunately, you, and most others on the forum today, have not met that standard.

Perhaps this Kane Knight character that you guys keep referencing can provide some decent challenge?
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Few things:

1) It's spelled 'half witt'.

2) Beeting?

3) And yes - beating Triple H cleanly during his push last year would've been a huge fucking thing.

4) When you have a chance to elevate someone (anyone) from a rising mid-card star into a major long term main-event guy, you push the guy. Fuck the wellness policy. If he fucks up, then penalize the guy AFTERWARDS. No big deal. They did it with Van Dam, they did it with Orton, etc., etc.

Very rarely, especially nowadays, does the WWE actually have a guy getting massive face pops from the crowd....almost begging for him to get elevated. When you get a guy like that, YOU PUSH HIM. Plain and simple.

You don't let some fear of some fucking wellness policy kick in.

Moron.
Heman, shut the fuck up with the spelling argument cause I dont even begin to care and it wont make anymore right. Drop it. Cause I promise I not through with spelling and grammer errors.

You missing somevery key things. Van Damn, wasn't one strike away from being out on his ass. Niether was ORton. Hardy was. If you can't reconize the difference, you very stupid or must be trolling and we'll just stop talking now.

Beating H would be big yes, thats why A) they shouldn't do it often. and B) they shouldn't have done it with Hardy. Hardy fails drug test. Hardy is terminated. Hardy goes to TNA where he can brag about beating TRiple H clean. BAD BUISNESS.

Hey Heyman, guess what, midcard isn't evil. Hey, guess what? He will sell as many T-shirts in the semi main as will in the main. SO you know what? It doesn't fucking matter how he goes over, it matter that you protect you stars.

So his push, doesn't have to be to the top, cause whether you can realize thsi or not, as long as you keep him strong, he's gonna keep sellin. And they did.

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Few things:

1) It's spelled 'half witt'.

2) Beeting?

3) And yes - beating Triple H cleanly during his push last year would've been a huge fucking thing.

4) When you have a chance to elevate someone (anyone) from a rising mid-card star into a major long term main-event guy, you push the guy. Fuck the wellness policy. If he fucks up, then penalize the guy AFTERWARDS. No big deal. They did it with Van Dam, they did it with Orton, etc., etc.

Very rarely, especially nowadays, does the WWE actually have a guy getting massive face pops from the crowd....almost begging for him to get elevated. When you get a guy like that, YOU PUSH HIM. Plain and simple.

You don't let some fear of some fucking wellness policy kick in.

Moron.
1) Um, not it's not. It's someone with half a wit. Half-wit.

2) Irony. Destor's still right.

3) He went over Triple H and The Undertaker in like back-to-back weeks. Regardless of if it was "clean" or not, Jeff Hardy was winner.

4) Wow. Just wow. I need to look into the wellness policy a bit more, but you do realise that Jeff Hardy is done when he next fucks up. He is done. Out of the company. A free agent. You don't push that man like he is fucking Hulk Hogan. Hardy is lucky he got one WWE Title reign. And fuck, it's his decision to leave the company. If he stuck around, I'm sure he'd get his win back against Matt at Backlash, and then probably be a top face on SmackDown!. That's nothing to sneaze at.

I'm not even sure the WWE can have Jeff Hardy compete after he's violated the policy three times. Is it instant termination? "Oh yeah, our skinny junkie World Champion had to vacate the championship. He's better than everyone else in the company, but we're going to have a Silver Medal Battle Royal tonight." That doesn't look good. And it doesn't look good for the press if their champion is terminated for using drugs, and they have to use him on television after they know he has violated the policy, because of convenience.
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Old 04-21-2009, 12:07 AM   #12
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2) Irony. Destor's still right.
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3) He went over Triple H and The Undertaker in like back-to-back weeks. Regardless of if it was "clean" or not, Jeff Hardy was winner.
It has every fucking thing to do with whether the victory was clean or not. What if Triple H had never beaten Mankind cleanly back in 2000 (on three separate occassions!). What if The Rock hadn't beat Austin cleanly at Wrestlemania 19? Or if Austin hadn't beaten Shawn cleanly at Wrestlemania 14?

You seriously can't be this fucking stupid.



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4) Wow. Just wow. I need to look into the wellness policy a bit more, but you do realise that Jeff Hardy is done when he next fucks up. He is done. Out of the company. A free agent. You don't push that man like he is fucking Hulk Hogan. Hardy is lucky he got one WWE Title reign. And fuck, it's his decision to leave the company. If he stuck around, I'm sure he'd get his win back against Matt at Backlash, and then probably be a top face on SmackDown!. That's nothing to sneaze at.
You again miss the point. The rewards CLEARLY outweigh the risk. If Jeff gets that major victory...the WWE get a new long term main-event star. If he fucks up, you throw him out....and you move on. Were the WWE "completely ruined" when RVD got busted for smoking pot after beating Cena for the ECW title a month earlier? No. Use your brain.
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It has every fucking thing to do with whether the victory was clean or not. What if Triple H had never beaten Mankind cleanly back in 2000 (on three separate occassions!). What if The Rock hadn't beat Austin cleanly at Wrestlemania 19? Or if Austin hadn't beaten Shawn cleanly at Wrestlemania 14?

You seriously can't be this fucking stupid.





You again miss the point. The rewards CLEARLY outweigh the risk. If Jeff gets that major victory...the WWE get a new long term main-event star. If he fucks up, you throw him out....and you move on. Were the WWE "completely ruined" when RVD got busted for smoking pot after beating Cena for the ECW title a month earlier? No. Use your brain.
No, you missed my point: Destor may have incorrectly spelled the word, but it doesn't make him any less right. e.e. cummings was too cool for punctuation, and so is Destor.

The wins against Triple H and The Undertaker felt fucking epic. We're not talking about Stone Cold, Triple H or The Rock here. We are talking about Jeff Hardy breaking through the glass ceiling with two mammoth wins.

Also, I don't think The Rock beating Austin at WrestleMania XIX was that fucking important, really. It was just getting a win back. He was pretty much done with the company at this time, anyway.

And no, RVD did not fuck up the company completely when he got caught with pot. But he wasn't on his last strike, and he was only fined. Jeff Hardy will be fired. RVD certainly did fuck up the WWE's plans, though, which is a major inconvenience for them.
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You just argued in another thread that WWE needs new main eventers as the old ones are stale.

Yet now you are championing a guy who according to track record will fuck up and after minimal time be gone from the Main event scene. Not to mention sighting two of WWEs big projects falling through as being no big deal while I repeat saying the WWE needs new Main eventers.

I suggest that perhaps those guys the WWE thought werent such a big deal would probably help with the whole stale Main eventers thing.

Anyway my parts for my car are here so my fun time here is over. Happy trolling Knoblet.
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I argued that the WWE needs new long term main-eventers. Jeff Hardy fits that bill....or atleast did last year.

Often times - there is only a small 'window of opportunity' to really push a guy and maximize the push. Orton had that in 2004 before the WWE fucked it by turning him into a face. The WWE made the same mistake with Lesnar back in 2002 (i.e. turned him into a face way too soon).

Hardy last year, was getting popped HUUUGE. He should have not only won the world title, but should have done it CLEANLY over a top tier guy...like at Summerslam or something. Regardless of his two strikes.
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I argued that the WWE needs new long term main-eventers. Jeff Hardy fits that bill....or atleast did last year.

Often times - there is only a small 'window of opportunity' to really push a guy and maximize the push. Orton had that in 2004 before the WWE fucked it by turning him into a face. The WWE made the same mistake with Lesnar back in 2002 (i.e. turned him into a face way too soon).

Hardy last year, was getting popped HUUUGE. He should have not only won the world title, but should have done it CLEANLY over a top tier guy...like at Summerslam or something. Regardless of his two strikes.
Hardy is a huge fucking star for the company, and is choosing to walk away. Fuck. The junkie probably just wants to be free to do some drugs again.
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Hardy is a huge fucking star for the company, and is choosing to walk away. Fuck. The junkie probably just wants to be free to do some drugs again.
Either that, or "the junkie" simply doesn't want to be a transitional main-eventer that will never have a chance of being the legit top guy....or co-top guy.


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Either that, or "the junkie" simply doesn't want to be a transitional main-eventer that will never have a chance of being the legit top guy....or co-top guy.


Moron.
You know how bad a guy not named Hogan would get burried for thinking that way?

LOL what a mark Hardy would have to be. I realy don't think Hardy is a belt mark though so it's a pointless convo.
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Old 04-21-2009, 12:07 AM   #23
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Oh, no way. I miss the days of Vermaat, though.
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Kane Knight could not deal with you. At least we speak the same language as him.

No, the WWE may not have gone bankrupt after Brock Lesnar left the WWE, but what they have now are two other televised promotions they have to deal with. Both getting more and more funding. If Jeff Hardy goes to TNA or ROH, he will take an audience with him. Luckily TNA did not have much of a purse at the time Brock Lesnar left he company.

Also, guys like Hulk Hogan put over Brock Lesnar. Since then who has Hogan put over? No body. Wait, that young kid, Shawn Michaels. But the best thing Hogan could do for him is beat him, because that would make him look good.

Stone Cold Steve Austin and Triple H were apparently hesitant to put Lesnar over, and when Lesnar left the company, I bet they had a big fucking chuckle about how they were right. Guys that fuck up their pushes like Lesnar and Hardy just make it a thicker jungle for younger stars to break through.
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Old 04-21-2009, 12:09 AM   #25
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Kane Knight could not deal with you. At least we speak the same language as him.

No, the WWE may not have gone bankrupt after Brock Lesnar left the WWE, but what they have now are two other televised promotions they have to deal with. Both getting more and more funding. If Jeff Hardy goes to TNA or ROH, he will take an audience with him. Luckily TNA did not have much of a purse at the time Brock Lesnar left he company.

Also, guys like Hulk Hogan put over Brock Lesnar. Since then who has Hogan put over? No body. Wait, that young kid, Shawn Michaels. But the best thing Hogan could do for him is beat him, because that would make him look good.

Stone Cold Steve Austin and Triple H were apparently hesitant to put Lesnar over, and when Lesnar left the company, I bet they had a big fucking chuckle about how they were right. Guys that fuck up their pushes like Lesnar and Hardy just make it a thicker jungle for younger stars to break through.
With Lesnar you also have to consider that they KNEW he couldn't compete in the states so there was no fear fo him doing anything conrstructive until his star power winded down a bit.
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You know something, even if he does end up leaving, he'll be back. They all want to be on the big stage.

Course...I'm sorta just not caring as I haven't watched any wrestling in...............3 years now.
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Fact: Noid and friends think that it would be a good idea if CM Punk won MITB next year.

My view: CM Punk should move on to bigger and better things. The WWE should seriously build him up this year and have him win the Royal Rumble. A guy like MVP could win MITB next year.

Fact: Noid thinks that an upper mid-card wrestler beating a top-tier wrestler NON-CLEAN is still epic.

My view: While the above is true, I feel that a CLEAN victory has far more meaning...and in Jeff Hardy's case, would have meant a lot more.

Fact: Noid and friends think that the WWE should not have pushed Jeff Hardy to the moon due to the fact that he was on his 2nd wellness violation.

My view: Rewards outweighs the risks. If Jeff was given his "awesome and epic clean victory", a new long term main-event star would have been created. If he 'fucked up' afterwards and got his 3rd strike? No big deal. Can the guy. Move on. Just as they did with others in the past that left the company in one way or another (i.e. Lesnar, Goldberg, etc.).


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I know you are a troll, but ah well:

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Fact: Noid and friends think that it would be a good idea if CM Punk won MITB next year.

My view: CM Punk should move on to bigger and better things. The WWE should seriously build him up this year and have him win the Royal Rumble. A guy like MVP could win MITB next year.
Fiction: I don't think CM Punk should win MITB next year. I think he should be in the Ladder Match, but I don't think he should win.

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Fact: Noid thinks that an upper mid-card wrestler beating a top-tier wrestler NON-CLEAN is still epic.

My view: While the above is true, I feel that a CLEAN victory has far more meaning...and in Jeff Hardy's case, would have meant a lot more.
Fact: I do believe that a victory that is not perfectly clean can still sky-rocket a guy's popularity. Hell, Jeff Hardy rode victories over Triple H and The Undertaker into a WWE Title reign last year, which carried into this year.


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Fact: Noid and friends think that the WWE should not have pushed Jeff Hardy to the moon due to the fact that he was on his 2nd wellness violation.

My view: Rewards outweighs the risks. If Jeff was given his "awesome and epic clean victory", a new long term main-event star would have been created. If he 'fucked up' afterwards and got his 3rd strike? No big deal. Can the guy. Move on. Just as they did with others in the past that left the company in one way or another (i.e. Lesnar, Goldberg, etc.).
I don't even know how to classify this: Some would say that Jeff Hardy was already pushed to the moon. I mean, all that was left for him to do was unify the titles at WrestleMania. This is despite Jeff Hardy being everything the WWE is trying to avoid with their wellness policy.

Do you understand that the WWE put this policy in place for a reason? Do you understand that someone who violates this policy isn't just an "oh well" to the WWE? This policy is in-place for a reason. Pretending it doesn't exist defeats the purpose of even having it.

Guys like Jeff Hardy and William Regal only have themselves to blame for their interrupted pushes. And Hardy was a fucking WWE Champion, anyway. Again, it is his choice to leave. The WWE actually want him to stay.
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Fiction: I don't think CM Punk should win MITB next year. I think he should be in the Ladder Match, but I don't think he should win.
So in other words - you think CM Punk should take a step backwards.

I'm just trying to understand this correctly....since apparently, these types of arguments make sense to everyone on here except for me.

-You want CM Punk to be in the ladder match (as opposed to being involved in a world title match of some kind.....or even going up against a guy like Undertaker or Triple H one-on-one even if it's a non-title match)

-You want CM Punk to be used to PUT OVER someone else.

I just want to make sure I understand you correctly.


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I don't even know how to classify this: Some would say that Jeff Hardy was already pushed to the moon. I mean, all that was left for him to do was unify the titles at WrestleMania. This is despite Jeff Hardy being everything the WWE is trying to avoid with their wellness policy.
-A clean victory would have done more for this career.
-Not jobbing just a few months into his world title reign would've meant more.

We seem to have different interpretations of what being 'pushed to the moon' is.

I am of the opinion that winning the world title doesn't necessarily equate to becoming established as a LONG-TERM main-eventer.......despite whether one gets pushed to the moon or not.

Case in point(s): Rey Mysterio, Chris Benoit, and Eddie Guerrero. All of these guys were "pushed to the moon" and won world titles, but all of these guys basically returned to their original spot on the cards a year or so later.

By contrast - look at guys like Dave Batista, John Cena, and Brock Lesnar. Look at what happened to Kurt Angle eventually. Edge is another guy (although even Edge and Angle were perceived as transitional champs for the longest time before they broke that barrier).

THAT is the type of push that I am talking about. Guys that make it to the top and STAY on top. Heck - even a douche like John Bradshaw Layfield became more than a "non-transitional" champ around 04-05.

Comprendez?



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I understand it. However, like I explained to Destor, I think the rewards would have outweighed the risks. If Hardy fucked up, he could've been fired. The guy that would have given him the 'clean win' (i.e. Taker, HHH, Edge) wouldn't have lost anything by doing the job. They would still be credible, and could still be used to put over someone else at a later date. No big loss.

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Guys like Jeff Hardy and William Regal only have themselves to blame for their interrupted pushes. And Hardy was a fucking WWE Champion, anyway. Again, it is his choice to leave. The WWE actually want him to stay.
I'm finally glad we agree on something you dunce.
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So in other words - you think CM Punk should take a step backwards.

I'm just trying to understand this correctly....since apparently, these types of arguments make sense to everyone on here except for me.

-You want CM Punk to be in the ladder match (as opposed to being involved in a world title match of some kind.....or even going up against a guy like Undertaker or Triple H one-on-one even if it's a non-title match)

-You want CM Punk to be used to PUT OVER someone else.

I just want to make sure I understand you correctly.
I made a thread on here recently asking people whether or not they thought that CM Punk being in the Money in the Bank Ladder Match two years running was a holding pattern for him. Most people agreed that it would not do the guy any harm.

Look, the guy is turning MITB into his event. Why can't he enter next year just to make it a hatrick? Why is competing in a match for a World Title shot a bad thing? And yes, Punk should lose, and someone will really be elevated by it. Don't you want to see new stars created?

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-A clean victory would have done more for this career.
-Not jobbing just a few months into his world title reign would've meant more.

We seem to have different interpretations of what being 'pushed to the moon' is.

I am of the opinion that winning the world title doesn't necessarily equate to becoming established as a LONG-TERM main-eventer.......despite whether one gets pushed to the moon or not.

Case in point(s): Rey Mysterio, Chris Benoit, and Eddie Guerrero. All of these guys were "pushed to the moon" and won world titles, but all of these guys basically returned to their original spot on the cards a year or so later.

By contrast - look at guys like Dave Batista, John Cena, and Brock Lesnar. Look at what happened to Kurt Angle eventually. Edge is another guy (although even Edge and Angle were perceived as transitional champs for the longest time before they broke that barrier).

THAT is the type of push that I am talking about. Guys that make it to the top and STAY on top. Heck - even a douche like John Bradshaw Layfield became more than a "non-transitional" champ around 04-05.

Comprendez?
Hey, maybe being a LONG-TERM main eventer means you stay in the company, you know, fucking long term as a main eventer? Jeff is choosing to leave. Also, having the guy headline the 25th WrestleMania would just have been awkward. Especially if the guy is not in the company tomorrow.
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Case in point(s): Rey Mysterio, Chris Benoit, and Eddie Guerrero. All of these guys were "pushed to the moon" and won world titles, but all of these guys basically returned to their original spot on the cards a year or so later.
Mysterio was jobbed out during his entire run as champ and he jobbed to Orton right before Mania.
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You know, winning an argument usually entails convincing somebody somewhere of something.


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