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Chris Jericho 41 57.75%
Ricky Steamboat 30 42.25%
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Old 04-27-2009, 07:49 PM   #41
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By the way, if this is not truly a blow out I will admit to being wrong about Steamboat. But I'm expecting at least a 20 vote gap.
I'm not expecting a blow out. There are quite a few people on the Steamboat bandwagon atm because he's on TV and the 'nostalgia'. If this would have happened a month ago, he may have even had a chance of winning
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Old 04-27-2009, 07:50 PM   #42
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True.

Which goes back to the voting logic. It's usually flavor of the month. But that's unavoidable.
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Old 04-27-2009, 07:50 PM   #43
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The system that has been in place has seen dozens upon dozens of popular mainstream wrestlers enter the compettition.
Through the way it is run, and the system in place the only people to reach the HoF have been Stone Cold, Angle, Taz and potentially Chris Jericho.
Is it a coincidence that those are the most over guys on TPWW, and have been for quite some time?
I think it's giving a pretty accurate measurement.

Shawn Michaels, Flair, and The Rock fell in what was the best back and forth voting in the competitions history. They will all re-challenge, but not too soon, or at the whim of me and Destor.
There has to be some order, or we could just have Shawn Michaels, or whomever, rechallenge anytime we want.
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Old 04-27-2009, 07:51 PM   #44
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Steamboat is very good, but Jericho is the man
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Shawn Michaels is a given for the HOF. Jericho is a given. Flair, Rock, Taker. Guys like these should go straight to a "Default" HOF. Not because they SHOULD get an automatic pass, but because you're just delaying the inevitable.
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Old 04-27-2009, 07:54 PM   #46
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I had a hard time with this one. In terms of mic work, Jericho hands down. In terms of ring work, two different eras. Steamboat has always delivered the goods and proved again last night that he does still have it. Jericho is certainly no stranger to skill.

Voted for Steamboat. I really don't have a great decisive reason why. Both men are great and Jericho will be a HoFer one day.
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Yes, there are guys in the next tier that this can be said for and so on, but with so many top-tier talent it's really unfair and we won't truly have a TPWW HOF for years, because, again, you're just delaying the inevitable with the obvious choices.

I think I suggested this, too, now that I think about it.
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The system may not be flawless, but I think it's pretty fair. Like I said, there has to be a system or it would be absolutely unfair.
The system of limiting the frequency of rechallenge to a set round limit is crucial. This needs to be done so everyone is held to the same limit.

The only real complaint I can see is "50 is too long." Fair enough. Perhaps you may feel that 30, or 20 would be more fair?
It wouldn't make much difference, other than the turnover would be quicker and more HoFers would be crowned.

Still, situations like this would come up. It's like any compettition. Should the NFL change their scheduling system because disgruntled fans occasionally complain that a team had an easier schedule than theirs?

Should professional sports leagues change their systems because teams with better records miss the playoffs, while teams with worse records get in, due to the division system?
No. The truth is, there are "weaknesses" to any system. But there must be a system, and it is fair as long as it applies to all the compettitors. It does in this case.

Jericho is subject to the same rules and treatment as everyone else. He just is very over and entered at an oppurtune time.
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Are you seriously comparing an internet forum to a professional sports league? Something run by, what, at least 20 people (at the highest) vs 2? That's just ridiculous.

50 is too long. This has been known from the beginning. Still, you didn't budge, and now Jericho walks right in.
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I'm not comparing it to a sports league in terms of importance or anything. Talk about taking me out of context.

I'm comparing them in terms of being competitions with systems in place.
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But your system has a huge hole.

Maybe if you sprinkled the "obvious" choices out a bit instead of blitzing them every ten rounds or so it wouldn't be so bad. But apparently that would disrupt your system that you put in place that had complaints from the beginning. And they were valid complaints.
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Old 04-27-2009, 08:04 PM   #52
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Anyone that votes for Jericho doesn't know what Steamboat meant to wrestling, which is probabaly is what is going to happen since only a few people here have seen his work.

Ric Flair has said that steamboat is the greatest wrestler ever. He was extremely over in the eighties, more so than Jericho ever was, even in 2000. Plus his ring work is second to none.

Steamboat > 99.99% of wrestlers (this includes Jericho)
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Old 04-27-2009, 08:04 PM   #53
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Old 04-27-2009, 08:10 PM   #56
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Old 04-27-2009, 09:27 PM   #60
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If Jericho hadn't returned, I would be voting for Steamboat all ther way.... but 2009/09 Jericho is enough to push him over the Dragon...
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Jericho can be a great heel and a great face.
Ricky can be a great face.
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Jericho is gonna waltz in.


Not like this, dammit not like this!
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Can we talk about how awesome the pictures I chose are?

Can we talk about how awesome the musical accompaniment is?

Lets be positive!
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I thought the pictures and music were impeccable, sir.
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Old 04-28-2009, 04:01 AM   #70
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Old 04-28-2009, 04:23 AM   #73
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Old 04-28-2009, 07:05 AM   #76
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But your system has a huge hole.

Maybe if you sprinkled the "obvious" choices out a bit instead of blitzing them every ten rounds or so it wouldn't be so bad. But apparently that would disrupt your system that you put in place that had complaints from the beginning. And they were valid complaints.
Oh my god, just shut the fuck up!

Steamboat isn't miles behind Jericho, in fact, I put Steamboat over Jericho. I've never seen a big Jericho match I didn't enjoy, but Steamboat/Savage and his fued with flair put him up there as one of the best of all time. Especially as it was all happening while Jericho was still going to be Irvine (or whatever his real name is) for another decade.

So just pick who you prefer, give a couple of reasons why and then jog on into the mist and find something worth debating to debate.

'Jericho is going to steamroll this one, although I am a huge Jericho mark'

Smart words. Thank god this has ceased.
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Old 04-28-2009, 01:08 PM   #77
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Chris Jericho HOF Baby!!!

I like Steamboat, but didn't grow up with his glory days, so most of what I've seen are basically his better matches with Flair, Savage, Luger etc.
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I voted Steamboat just because so many people were complaining. Really rooting for Jericho though.
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Oh my god, just shut the fuck up!

Steamboat isn't miles behind Jericho, in fact, I put Steamboat over Jericho.
I think he's arguing that Jericho is miles ahead of Steamboat in the eyes of the smarks, and there's no arguing that fact really. It isn't really a competitive matchup.
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But what does it matter? The format will eventually get all the deserving people into the HOF. You don't change the format of an opinion poll just to juxtapose the opinions. especially since it would technically invalidate the last 24 polls.

So TPWW has a younger crowd of wrestling fans, when you look back at the previous results, you will see this and it will become evident of what biases may have swayed votes.

It just was not worth that much of a major fuss. Whats wrong with allowing for variables?
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