Better Wrestler #74

[Jeritron]

After 4 huge victories, Chris Jericho is in his 5th and final round. With a victory here, Jericho moves onto the BW HoF.
To do so, he will have to slay "The Dragon."

Chris "Lionheart" Jericho


VS

Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat

3 days.

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[CSL]

Voting Steamboat because 1. as good as he is, Jericho is overrated in the eyes of many people. People mention him as being on par with HBK, Austin, Rock, Eddie, Angle etc when he isn't and 2. Jericho doesn't deserve to be in the HOF ahead of previous names that have fallen at the last hurdle. Also, the fact that Steamboat was a "superworker" and might be the classiest man in the history of 'this business' personally justifies it

And the history needs updating

[Xero]

No way this should be fifth round.

Voting Steamboat in protest. Jericho got the easy way in.

[Jeritron]

Suggest a better 5th rounder? Again, dealing with the best eligible here

[Supreme Olajuwon]

dunno who I'd actually vote for but I want Jericho in the HOF so I'll vote Jericho

[Jeritron]

The other choices were Andre and Hogan. Sure, they're bigger legends, but they didn't stand the chance that Steamboat did.

I don't know how many times I can tell you this, but Jericho is getting the best challengers possible. I assure you.

[Xero]

There isn't that would be at Jericho's level with the rest of the community, but that's because the system is flawed.

ANYONE thinking Steamboat has a chance is ridiculous. Jericho should not be able to just walk in.

Luck of the draw at this point, not popularity.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Jericho, hands down.

[Xero]

And don't get me wrong. You put someone like Morrison up there he shouldn't be put up against guys like The Rock. They should be on an even level with the community (as best as you can gauge).

In my eyes, at least, Steamboat is great but has no chance in hell. This will likely be a blowout.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

maybe the problem is that Jericho is just too great

[CSL]

I think the gap between 'turns' needs reducing to like 25 or something. That would have brought HBK, Rock, Flair, Piper, Dynamite, Edge etc into play as possibilities

[Xero]

The gap for final rounds should be halved, not every round.

[Xero]

Or stop using main eventers (Lack of a better term here. "Overly popular", maybe?) until things come back around.

[CSL]

Originally Posted by Supreme Olajuwon maybe the problem is that Jericho is just too great

In the eyes of a lot of people, yeah. They seem to assume great promos + magnetic personality = fantastic wrestler

[Xero]

Originally Posted by Supreme Olajuwon maybe the problem is that Jericho is just too great

Michaels would have easily been on Jericho's level with the community (notice a trend here?). Just as an example.

[Jeritron]

Very few people stand a chance at Jericho at this point. Last time around there was the BDC-esque "he's just not the same stigma"

At this point, he's arguably the most over wrestler on this site. Stone Cold is really the only real compettition.
Angle has TNA haters.
Rock has "hollywood" haters.
Flair has younger fans who don't identify with his work as much.
Shawn and Bret lose fans from both sides due to Montreal.

[Xero]

At the very least, though, those you listed would have actually had a chance. Unlike Steamboat.

And I'm not a Steamboat mark. Far from it. In fact I'm a pretty big Jericho mark. But he doesn't need this kind of treatment fifth round, he's better than it.

I'm not complaining about him being in the HOF (he deserves it, eventually), I'm complaining about the fact that it's a cakewalk. His entire run were all fucking blowouts. There's a HUGE problem there.

[Jeritron]

Originally Posted by Xero Or stop using main eventers (Lack of a better term here. "Overly popular", maybe?) until things come back around.

Someone had to face Eddie. You'd be complaining if I put Steamboat up against Eddie and he got in.

It had to be done. Once there is a HoFer the rounds will even out until there are more names eligible.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The only person I would vote for over Jericho is Michaels, and Angle, Austin, and Taz didn't match up with Michaels either. Luck of the draw.

[Jeritron]

Originally Posted by Xero At the very least, though, those you listed would have actually had a chance. Unlike Steamboat.

They're all either in the HOF, or not eligible because they LOST.
Jericho beat Eddie. To the victor goes the spoils. Just the way it falls. Write to congress.

I don't think the shortcomings of an internet compettition are worthy of complaint. If you don't like it, again, don't particiapte.
You seem to treat this as some part of life that must meet your standards. Thanks for the protest, but this is hardly a pressing matter.

[CSL]

lol, that 'it's the internet, don't take it seriously' argument/comeback is so redundant

[Xero]

No, it's not. But neither is you continuing to validate this system. And really, neither is debating anything related to wrestling, but we do it anyway.

Eddie I'll admit was an upset. But Eddie should not have been first round, whether the outcome was the same or not, he seems fifth round, Steamboat is third at best, fourth on a really good day.

[Jeritron]

Eddie wasn't first round. Eddie was in the 5th round and Jericho beat him.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Eddie wasn't his first round. Jericho was Eddie's 5th round to get into the HOF

[Supreme Olajuwon]

jinx! owe me a coke

[Xero]

What it seems like you're saying is "Main eventers will go in no matter what. The jobber rounds will be purposely composed for them to lose, at least until we run out of main eventers".

"Jobber" and "Main eventers" being loose terms here.

[Xero]

Didn't realize that, my bad.

Still doesn't validate all the blowouts.

[mike adamle]

... so who was the obvious choice he should've put on there?

[Jeritron]

That's not what we're saying. There is a tiered system though, yes.
It's called seeding. Are you familiar with sports? If a popular guy overthrows the champion in the 5th and final round, he moves on.
When he does, he gets a low seeded pick. There is room for upset, but it is unlikely. From there, the difficulty of the challengers increases, until the 4th and 5th round which are as difficult as possible.

[Jeritron]

Also, these complaints should have been lodged 70 rounds ago, if at all.

[Xero]

Originally Posted by Jeritron From there, the difficulty of the challengers increases, until the 4th and 5th round which are as difficult as possible.

Which this wasn't, because the system is flawed.

[Xero]

Originally Posted by Jeritron Also, these complaints should have been lodged 70 rounds ago, if at all.

They were. No one listened.

I think I brought up bringing the 50 gap down because it would lead to very long dry spells within the first ten, possibly five rounds. They were shot down because we were doing things "Destor's Way" and he had a way around it.

Well Dest, what's your way around this? Because exactly what I said would happen, did.

[Jeritron]

Originally Posted by Xero Didn't realize that, my bad. Still doesn't validate all the blowouts.

If Jericho didn't face Eddie you'd complain about him "getting it easy"

This is just the way it falls. The system works quite well. If it was at our own discretion we could just bring up any wrestler to re-challenge at any time.
Would that be less flawed? Absolutely not. That would be far more unfair. It would lead to more complaints and a less consistent system.

We'd just be bringing back guys at will. There needs to be a limit to rechallenge, and 50 is fair because anything less it too soon.
Jericho was able to rechallenge when he did, and it worked out. Oh well.

[Arashi Kage]

The Dragon! Jericho is my favorite modern wrestler, but I have to go with Steamboat. Steamboat has had some spectacular moments, while Jericho has had a more consistant level of great moments, hopefully this will be a close, exciting fight to the HOF for Jericho and not a blow out.

If it wasn't for Undertaker and HBM, Steamboat would be the name synonomous with this year's Wrestlemania. Anyone remember Jericho at WM18?? nope.

[Xero]

Originally Posted by Jeritron If Jericho didn't face Eddie you'd complain about him "getting it easy" This is just the way it falls. The system works quite well. If it was at our own discretion we could just bring up any wrestler to re-challenge at any time. Would that be less flawed? Absolutely not. That would be far more unfair. It would lead to more complaints and a less consistent system. We'd just be bringing back guys at will. There needs to be a limit to rechallenge, and 50 is fair because anything less it too soon. Jericho was able to rechallenge when he did, and it worked out. Oh well.

1. Depends on who he would face. Steamboat is no where near Jericho's level in terms of popularity, which is how the majority of people vote (define wrestler).

2. 50 is too high, especially within the first 200 rounds or so. Once we pass 200, yeah, things will even out, but only because the majority of anyone truly worth a fuck would be in the HOF.

No, I don't want you to be able to bring back guys at will, that's ridiculous. But so is something like this happening.

[CSL]

Originally Posted by Jeritron Also, these complaints should have been lodged 70 rounds ago, if at all.

There have been plenty of complaints in the past

[screech]

Love Steamboat, and although I didn't get to see his work live, I have familiarized myself with it in recent months. He was great, and his past three showings have been awesome, but I don't know that I can pick him over Jericho.

Maybe it's because I grew up watching Jericho and that same "style," or maybe it's because Jericho really is better. In my opinion, Jericho amazing in the ring and on the mic, and he has entertained me like few others.

Tougher than I originally thought, but Jericho gets my vote.

[Rollerskategirl]

Y2J gets my vote.

[Xero]

By the way, if this is not truly a blow out I will admit to being wrong about Steamboat. But I'm expecting at least a 20 vote gap.

[CSL]

Originally Posted by Jeritron If Jericho didn't face Eddie you'd complain about him "getting it easy" This is just the way it falls. The system works quite well. If it was at our own discretion we could just bring up any wrestler to re-challenge at any time. Would that be less flawed? Absolutely not. That would be far more unfair. It would lead to more complaints and a less consistent system. We'd just be bringing back guys at will. There needs to be a limit to rechallenge, and 50 is fair because anything less it too soon. Jericho was able to rechallenge when he did, and it worked out. Oh well.

Based on the majority of the voting logic here, anything less than 50 would not be too soon