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Old 06-26-2009, 01:13 PM   #41
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fighters sometimes take banned substances to speed up healing processes and such, and plan to have them out and clean in time.

Surely they should test everyone before and after their fights, and if its +ive, then stamp 'dumbfuck' on their heads and send them packing. Surely its only when there is no way of sneaking by it is truely career suicide.

Testing before and after fights isn't stopping people from doing drugs now. It's just making them mask it better.
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Old 06-27-2009, 08:50 AM   #42
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But if you are using them for rehabbing, and not physical edge, then due to the time frames, that's the only way they could use banned substances.
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lets not forget banned substances arent just performance enhancers either
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But if you are using them for rehabbing, and not physical edge, then due to the time frames, that's the only way they could use banned substances.
You can't test positive for anything on their list. If you are injured and need a painkiller or a steriod then you can't fight. They pass you for meds for stuff that doesn't enchance performance and fail you for a lot that wouldn't fail a test too.
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I know this you spaz, I'm saying you can use banned substance to aid rehabbing, because you have to rehab before you can train for your next fight, and because you are using them BEFORE the main training, then it is long enough to be out of the system, because using banned substances for an edge in your training, would require them to be taken much closer to the fight date, thus resulting in positive drug test results.

SO sir, take your mini paragraph which was intended to drop some education on me, but in reality doesn't actually make coheirent sence beyond the first sentence, and.... I don't know. Maybe break it down into smaller peices of bullshit so it's easier to ignore.

You do see how in this cloud of trying to make me understand whatever you are going on about, it is you who has totally misread my point? I hope the above explaination does what it is intended by it.
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Old 06-30-2009, 11:29 AM   #46
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lets not forget banned substances arent just performance enhancers either
Well, it goes without saying that any athlete who takes street drugs and knowlingly takes the risk of being caught is a total idiot. If I could make the ammount of money these guys are making, with a condition that I cannot work if I fail a drug test, not one tiny peice of narcotical goodness would I ever allow to jeprodise that.
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Well, it goes without saying that any athlete who takes street drugs and knowlingly takes the risk of being caught is a total idiot. If I could make the ammount of money these guys are making, with a condition that I cannot work if I fail a drug test, not one tiny peice of narcotical goodness would I ever allow to jeprodise that.
well no shit...

i was just referring cases where irvin was on pain killers and alves was on diherretics which are not street drugs
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I know this you spaz, I'm saying you can use banned substance to aid rehabbing, because you have to rehab before you can train for your next fight, and because you are using them BEFORE the main training, then it is long enough to be out of the system, because using banned substances for an edge in your training, would require them to be taken much closer to the fight date, thus resulting in positive drug test results.

to be fair... pretty much every fighter is training and even fighting injured unless theyre lucky. Therefore they could make the argument that theyre taking whatever theyre taking because theyre "rehabing"
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I know this you spaz, I'm saying you can use banned substance to aid rehabbing, because you have to rehab before you can train for your next fight, and because you are using them BEFORE the main training, then it is long enough to be out of the system, because using banned substances for an edge in your training, would require them to be taken much closer to the fight date, thus resulting in positive drug test results.

SO sir, take your mini paragraph which was intended to drop some education on me, but in reality doesn't actually make coheirent sence beyond the first sentence, and.... I don't know. Maybe break it down into smaller peices of bullshit so it's easier to ignore.

You do see how in this cloud of trying to make me understand whatever you are going on about, it is you who has totally misread my point? I hope the above explaination does what it is intended by it.
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I know this you spaz, I'm saying you can use banned substance to aid rehabbing, because you have to rehab before you can train for your next fight, and because you are using them BEFORE the main training, then it is long enough to be out of the system, because using banned substances for an edge in your training, would require them to be taken much closer to the fight date, thus resulting in positive drug test results.

SO sir, take your mini paragraph which was intended to drop some education on me, but in reality doesn't actually make coheirent sence beyond the first sentence, and.... I don't know. Maybe break it down into smaller peices of bullshit so it's easier to ignore.

You do see how in this cloud of trying to make me understand whatever you are going on about, it is you who has totally misread my point? I hope the above explaination does what it is intended by it.
You calling someone a spaz is the exact example of the pot calling the kettle black.
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Old 06-30-2009, 03:35 PM   #51
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And he obviously doesn't know the commissions have the right to randomly out of competition test anybody who is licensed regardless of injuries. And they do.

He does a fine job of ignoring me obviously.
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he does a fine job of ignoring facts and all around commen sense as well
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And he obviously doesn't know the commissions have the right to randomly out of competition test anybody who is licensed regardless of injuries. And they do.

He does a fine job of ignoring me obviously.
The likelyhood of that is much lower, and you know it.

You can get pain meds authorised by the commission. Which if so doesn't excuse Irvin.

If you are injured and need a painkiller you can't fight? That just isn't true.

I still don't understand hat your last sentence means in real english.

That is a sick analergy Newstead. Witty, original, neccissary. Great post.
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What? lol
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Fabien, if the only offense you have at this point is pointing out typos and grammar errors then I think it's more than safe to say that you're losing this argument.
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The likelyhood of that is much lower, and you know it.

You can get pain meds authorised by the commission. Which if so doesn't excuse Irvin.

If you are injured and need a painkiller you can't fight? That just isn't true.
mmmmmmmmk.... rob has been referring to steroids, i brought up everything else. You responding to rob about commissions randomly testing and worrying about pain killers leads me to believe that you are either either easily confused or stupid.

commissions test out of competition for enhancers, however if they happen to find a bunch of pain meds, they will make sure that not only do you have a script for those meds, but you have a documented injury warrenting those meds. if you cant show those two things, then yes you will not fight whether your actually injured or not.

I dont know what your talking about, but commissions do NOT give out pain killers, DOCTORS do or more specifically pharmacys. it would be illegal for the commissions to give out their own pain killers genius.

and in terms of the frequency of off season tests, if you have a record or any suspicion of using, they will test you non stop
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Fabien, if the only offense you have at this point is pointing out typos and grammar errors then I think it's more than safe to say that you're losing this argument.
He wants to proof read his own posts before he feels the need to correct others.

And he did a great job again of ignoring the posts. Nobody else here openly says they want to ignore posts and yet still feels the need to reply to everything. Attention starved much?
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If you are injured and need a painkiller then you can't fight. They pass you for meds for stuff that doesn't enchance performance.
I'm not saying the commission hand out meds, I am saying they authorize the use, just as you said after me Reav. I obviously don't mean a fighter stands before an athletic commission panel asking for his painpills to be OK'ed, I mean he sees a physician, is perscribed medication, and the fighter then checks it is kosher with them, given he can prove they are needed and perscribed. I didn't allude to the transit from injury to medication, because I really didn't expect to get lambasted for a not-innacurate statement.

And I was reffering to this statement by Rob, actually. Which I edited since in it's originally typed form, made little grammatical sence, when in turn didn't help with the literal meaning.

And I was making the point that I give little concern to someone who questions my common sence when I have justified all I have said, and he has a spelling age of immigrant.
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i was just referring cases where irvin was on pain killers
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You can get pain meds authorised by the commission. Which if so doesn't excuse Irvin.
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nice cropping mine and your quotes, but you were addressing rob when you wrote that.
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I only cropped what wasn't involving this. And the cropping didn't distort what was said at all. I am not a tabloid editor. You are rediculous for highlighting that when it didn't adjust what was said.

I was addressing both of you, since it was you who brought up Irvin. Why would I be addressing Rob in response to a comment you made? I'm sure you want to have a stab at arguing about who I was addressing... with ME, but I am not game.

Somewhere along the line, you have taken what I have said as athletics commissions distribute their own pain relief medication. Which I said nothing of the sort. So Since you take what I say, and read it however you feel fit, this argument has no legs. This is how women fair in heated discussion.
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You completely adjusted my quote actually... i didnt even notice it before unless thats what you edited. Are you serious?
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See the thing with you is that you will say something stupid and it will be said in such a way or be just vague enough that when someone calls you out on your stupid shit, you start doubling back and accusing people of "reading how they want to read it" or stall by bringing up something completely unrelated like spelling or grammar until you can think of something.
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