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Old 07-25-2009, 03:21 AM   #41
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Old 07-25-2009, 03:22 AM   #42
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I think taking bumps for 40 years has caught up to Flair.
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Old 07-25-2009, 03:27 AM   #43
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Also, I love the family shot, because we all know how much of a family man Ric Flair is...
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Ric Flair is so great that he is the only former world champion in the whole history of the WWF/E that Vince McMahon happily released during a contract to freely go to the opposition.

Argue about anything else but that was a fact. Even some of the worst drawing champions of all time (Michaels, Diesel, Sid, etc) and some guys that Vince hated (Warrior, Savage, Sammartino, etc) never got that treatment.
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Wow, Warrior in the same post with the names of Flair, Sammartino, Michaels...what in the hell is the world coming to?
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So basically, according to Flair, anyone who isn't Shawn Michaels, HHH, himself, or Batista is a mid-carder or anything but main event.
Flair insists that Arn Anderson was also a draw ... so basically all his close friends are draws
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Old 07-25-2009, 10:35 AM   #48
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And Bret is a decrepit old man sitting at home allowing bitterness and spite to feed on his soul. How this has any bearing on their status in wrestling is beyond me.
Actually, Bret is fine right now. He's made his millions, didnt blow them, and is living a pretty happy life. Flair on the other hand.....you know how it is.



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So he DIDN'T get shuffled back down into the midcard when Hogan returned? He DIDN'T engage in non ME feuds with Lawler and Michaels while Luger challenged Yokozuna? He DIDN'T have his big-ass crescendo of a cage match with Owen knocked out of a SummerSlam ME slot in favore of the Undertaker vs his impostor? He DIDN'T stand by and watch for the better part of a year while Diesel held the title?
Bret was a big fish in a big pond. Flair was a big fish in a small pond. When Flair came up to the wwf, he was just another face along with the rest of the companies big names. In fact, Vince wanted Bret to defeat Flair because Flair dissapointed him as a draw, and as a performer during his run at the top.
You can have co-main events, and btw, even if Taker vs the imposter or Diesel were main eventing some cards, everyone knows who the fans mostly came to see. The thing about Bret that made him so valuable and great to the company was that even as a champ, he never held his nose up at people. He worked with everyone, because he wanted to make even the curtain jerkers look as credible as possible. That's smart, makes the roster look that much stronger. Unlike say, a guy like HBK, who basically wanted to hand pick his opponents, mostly all buddies.



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Pretty weak argument seeing as how Flair was IN said company for barely two years back then.
There was a reason for that. He came in with a ton of hype and wasn't bringing it. Vince let the guy go basically after Hart took the title from him.


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Watch Bret's DVD some time and count how many times he admits he was ready to quit until he was given a better spot. Yeah, he worked and all, but if his family wasn't who they were, who knows if he would ever have been noticed.
He said he didnt wanna be a cowboy and got that tossed, and he did some bitching about the Warrior and guys like that main eventing. So what did he do? Worked great matches and got better and better until the fans made him the main eventer he was supposed to be.


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Good God, look at him back then.
Looks sorta like Flair except Flair looked like that his entire career.


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Clearly we have different measuring sticks for greatness, if you have to bring in Funk as your star witness.

Oh? You didnt notice Flair stating he wrestled the Funks as some sort of way to bash Bret? Because Funk and he did wrestle a few times, and if it's good for Flair, I thought it was good for everyone. Changing your tune now?
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Flair insists that Arn Anderson was also a draw ... so basically all his close friends are draws
Chris Benoit had charisma too remember.
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As for who Bret wrestled, does Flair say the same thing about Shawn Michaels since the only great workers he wrestled that Bret didn't are Angle and Jericho?

It sucks to be born like 25 years before Ric Flair. How old is Flair now by the way? 72?
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Old 07-25-2009, 11:52 AM   #51
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So basically your retort to Flair's comments basically boils down to "nuh-uh?"

Look, Bret was at the top of the WWF for maybe six years or so. And never in that time was he THE man in the company, let alone the business as a whole. For ten years before Bret made his way to the top of the business, Flair's only equal was Hogan. Bret had the good fortune to spring from the sperm of the owner of a wrestling promotion, and to be ready to handle a top spot due to a main event vacuum. I wouldn't call Bret Hart a nobody, but it's RIC FUCKING FLAIR talking here. Someone who could be a god to all of us snivelling pissants on TPWW could be a nobody in the eyes of Flair.
I didn't feel the need to justify why Bret was not a midcarder because his track record speaks for itself. Bret did not make it to the top because of who his dad is. In fact, I barely recall Stu Hart being mentioned much during Bret's first few years in the company (unlike Orton, Rhodes and DiBiase whose dad's always get mentioned on a weekly basis). Bret Hart was undoubtedly THE man during his first two title reigns - he carried the company on his back during those reigns and was the star performer.

As much as I like Flair, his comments are ludicrous. The only main eventers that are nobodies in his eyes are the people he dislikes. Even you mentioned in the quote about how you wouldn't call Bret Hart a nobody.
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Old 07-25-2009, 11:57 AM   #52
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i think the two should have a hart to hart and use a regulator so it doesn't flair up into a brawl :P

flair is notorious for pissing off the other wrestlers and telling them how crap they are in the ring

but to be honest as much as i love ric flair, you see one flair match you have seen them all, at least bret hart was willing to switch the formula a little
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Hey Flair! watch king of the ring '93
After reading Flairs comments (see thread entitled "Bret Who?") I was fortunate to catch the King of the Ring 93 on Vintage Collection.

Crisp, realistic, making opponents look good, incredible workrate! that was Bret Hart during all three of his matches. I dare Flair and the rest of the bret hart haters to fault his performance on that night.

Hart took on three diffeent opponents and used three different strategies. He sustained legit injuries through out that night and continued to deliver with every move being textbook perfection.

Flair obviously has held a lot of titled and wrestled a lot of big names but flairs jealously is showing as he continues to go on tirades about Bret Hart.

Flair. SHUT THE FUCK UP



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Old 07-25-2009, 01:06 PM   #54
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Old 07-25-2009, 01:12 PM   #55
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Ric Flair just PMed me and said that he's read your thread and promises to shut the fuck up on all matters Bret Hart-related in the future.
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hey ric, guess what, i fucked your daughter
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flair is an egotist. Wont surprise me in the least if he crossrine's his name on this site :P
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Bret Hart is my favorite wrestler of all time, so fuck you guys. All right, cya later.
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Wait, I know what this thread is missing...












SHAWN FUCKING MICHAELS!


There, now this is a classic thread.
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Oh yeah, Bret Hart is the greatest of all time. Nevermind that he didn't draw. That's apparently irrelevant.
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Oh yeah, Bret Hart is the greatest of all time. Nevermind that he didn't draw. That's apparently irrelevant.
He drew enough for WCW to pay him $3 million a year
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Oh yeah, Bret Hart is the greatest of all time. Nevermind that he didn't draw. That's apparently irrelevant.
To me, as a wrestling fan, that is completely irrelevant, you dork.
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Oh yeah, Bret Hart is the greatest of all time. Nevermind that he didn't draw. That's apparently irrelevant.
Actually, There was a reason that Summerslam '92 had him and Bulldog headlining, over the WWF title match with Randy Savage, the Ultimate Warrior, and Ric Flair's interference.

It's the same reason why, despite the fact that Sting, one of Flair's biggest rivals, used the Scorpion Deathlock for years before, that the hold is called the Sharpshooter to this day.

Hart was a bigger draw internationally than most people.
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Old 07-25-2009, 05:28 PM   #71
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I love Bret Hart. I do. But they headlined SummerSlam at WEMBLEY STADIUM because of The BRITISH Bulldog.
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Old 07-25-2009, 05:29 PM   #72
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But hot damn, what a match that was. Flair couldn't pull that off.
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'bret "the titman" fart'
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Old 07-25-2009, 05:59 PM   #74
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I love Bret Hart. I do. But they headlined SummerSlam at WEMBLEY STADIUM because of The BRITISH Bulldog.
That, too. But it was Bret who told Vince that nothing could follow that match. To his credit, he was right.
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I love Bret Hart. I do. But they headlined SummerSlam at WEMBLEY STADIUM because of The BRITISH Bulldog.
Bret was just as popular as Bulldog. They were the two most over guys on the show and, with the title swich happening, made sense for it to be the main event. Plus Bret talked to Vince about it etc.
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Old 07-25-2009, 07:11 PM   #76
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Bret was not as popular as Davey Boy Smith. It wasn't even close. Bret had a good percentage of fans but it wasn't even close. Smith's reaction blew away every single wrestler's I have ever heard live.
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Actually, There was a reason that Summerslam '92 had him and Bulldog headlining, over the WWF title match with Randy Savage, the Ultimate Warrior, and Ric Flair's interference.

It's the same reason why, despite the fact that Sting, one of Flair's biggest rivals, used the Scorpion Deathlock for years before, that the hold is called the Sharpshooter to this day.

Hart was a bigger draw internationally than most people.
You reallyY think that that's the reason, and not because, I don't know, they were in BRITAIN and the BRITISH BULLDOG was his opponent?

And you really think that the reason it's primarily called the Sharpshooter has to do with Bret's drawing power? Not because, say, that name is more linked to WWE than the SD, which is primarily linked to NWA/WCW, and one of those companies was eaten up by the other?

And have you considered that Hart's international drawing power may have had something to do with him being a non-American performer who was extremely heavily marketed overseas?
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You reallyY think that that's the reason, and not because, I don't know, they were in BRITAIN and the BRITISH BULLDOG was his opponent?

And you really think that the reason it's primarily called the Sharpshooter has to do with Bret's drawing power? Not because, say, that name is more linked to WWE than the SD, which is primarily linked to NWA/WCW, and one of those companies was eaten up by the other?

And have you considered that Hart's international drawing power may have had something to do with him being a non-American performer who was extremely heavily marketed overseas?
As for that last part of your post, Lex Luger was heavily, and I do mean heavily marketed as the next all american hero in the USA of all places, and the fans still wanted Bret Hart. You can be heavily marketed and yet not cause a dent in the minds of people...they dont have to love you. They did with Bret. The credit goes to him.

Bret was BIG everywhere. And by big I mean huge.
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He drew enough for WCW to pay him $3 million a year
And I'm sure Lanny Poffo drew enough for WCW to pay him 6 figures for years without ever appearing on television? Not sure if the "they paid him alot of money" card is the path I would take here.

Also, that 3 million a year was sure worth it in retrospect, wasn't it?
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And I'm sure Lanny Poffo drew enough for WCW to pay him 6 figures for years without ever appearing on television? Not sure if the "they paid him alot of money" card is the path I would take here.

Also, that 3 million a year was sure worth it in retrospect, wasn't it?
What harm did it actually cause WCW to pay Bret Hart that amount? None. WCW were willing to pay him that much, you can't blame Bret for getting a good deal. It wasn't his fault that Goldberg ended his career either.

Saying that Bret Hart never drew is a lousy path to go down in order to slag him off. He drew great numbers internationally and did decent enough domestically.

And what's with the Lanny Poffo example? Fuck's sake almost everybody in WCW was on a 6 figure salary. Bret was earning 6 times the amount that Ric Flair was earning - he wouldn't have been earning so much if he wasn't of value.
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