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Old 07-25-2009, 02:21 AM   #1
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Hart > Flair
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Old 07-25-2009, 02:22 AM   #2
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I think taking bumps for 40 years has caught up to Flair.
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Old 07-25-2009, 02:27 AM   #3
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Also, I love the family shot, because we all know how much of a family man Ric Flair is...
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Old 07-25-2009, 02:48 AM   #4
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Old 07-25-2009, 03:54 AM   #5
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Ric Flair is so great that he is the only former world champion in the whole history of the WWF/E that Vince McMahon happily released during a contract to freely go to the opposition.

Argue about anything else but that was a fact. Even some of the worst drawing champions of all time (Michaels, Diesel, Sid, etc) and some guys that Vince hated (Warrior, Savage, Sammartino, etc) never got that treatment.
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Wow, Warrior in the same post with the names of Flair, Sammartino, Michaels...what in the hell is the world coming to?
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Old 07-25-2009, 10:04 AM   #7
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As for who Bret wrestled, does Flair say the same thing about Shawn Michaels since the only great workers he wrestled that Bret didn't are Angle and Jericho?

It sucks to be born like 25 years before Ric Flair. How old is Flair now by the way? 72?
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Old 07-25-2009, 10:57 AM   #8
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i think the two should have a hart to hart and use a regulator so it doesn't flair up into a brawl :P

flair is notorious for pissing off the other wrestlers and telling them how crap they are in the ring

but to be honest as much as i love ric flair, you see one flair match you have seen them all, at least bret hart was willing to switch the formula a little
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Old 07-25-2009, 11:12 AM   #9
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Hey Flair! watch king of the ring '93
After reading Flairs comments (see thread entitled "Bret Who?") I was fortunate to catch the King of the Ring 93 on Vintage Collection.

Crisp, realistic, making opponents look good, incredible workrate! that was Bret Hart during all three of his matches. I dare Flair and the rest of the bret hart haters to fault his performance on that night.

Hart took on three diffeent opponents and used three different strategies. He sustained legit injuries through out that night and continued to deliver with every move being textbook perfection.

Flair obviously has held a lot of titled and wrestled a lot of big names but flairs jealously is showing as he continues to go on tirades about Bret Hart.

Flair. SHUT THE FUCK UP



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Old 07-25-2009, 12:06 PM   #10
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Old 07-25-2009, 12:12 PM   #11
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Ric Flair just PMed me and said that he's read your thread and promises to shut the fuck up on all matters Bret Hart-related in the future.
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Old 07-25-2009, 12:21 PM   #12
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ric flair lurks tpww? cool

hey ric, guess what, i fucked your daughter
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Old 07-25-2009, 12:48 PM   #13
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flair is an egotist. Wont surprise me in the least if he crossrine's his name on this site :P
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Did you really need to give this its own thread, or could this have gone in the Bret Who thread? Seriously.
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Bret Hart is my favorite wrestler of all time, so fuck you guys. All right, cya later.
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Wait, I know what this thread is missing...












SHAWN FUCKING MICHAELS!


There, now this is a classic thread.
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Oh yeah, Bret Hart is the greatest of all time. Nevermind that he didn't draw. That's apparently irrelevant.
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Oh yeah, Bret Hart is the greatest of all time. Nevermind that he didn't draw. That's apparently irrelevant.
He drew enough for WCW to pay him $3 million a year
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He drew enough for WCW to pay him $3 million a year
And I'm sure Lanny Poffo drew enough for WCW to pay him 6 figures for years without ever appearing on television? Not sure if the "they paid him alot of money" card is the path I would take here.

Also, that 3 million a year was sure worth it in retrospect, wasn't it?
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And I'm sure Lanny Poffo drew enough for WCW to pay him 6 figures for years without ever appearing on television? Not sure if the "they paid him alot of money" card is the path I would take here.

Also, that 3 million a year was sure worth it in retrospect, wasn't it?
What harm did it actually cause WCW to pay Bret Hart that amount? None. WCW were willing to pay him that much, you can't blame Bret for getting a good deal. It wasn't his fault that Goldberg ended his career either.

Saying that Bret Hart never drew is a lousy path to go down in order to slag him off. He drew great numbers internationally and did decent enough domestically.

And what's with the Lanny Poffo example? Fuck's sake almost everybody in WCW was on a 6 figure salary. Bret was earning 6 times the amount that Ric Flair was earning - he wouldn't have been earning so much if he wasn't of value.
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And I'm sure Lanny Poffo drew enough for WCW to pay him 6 figures for years without ever appearing on television? Not sure if the "they paid him alot of money" card is the path I would take here.

Also, that 3 million a year was sure worth it in retrospect, wasn't it?
He was worth the money, it's nobodies fault but the bookers down there who ran that company into the ground. The only good things Bret did down there were ideas that came from his own mind, not theirs.

The wcw fucked up. Vince even said that they would. How you dont know how to use the guy after what went down at SS is mind boggling.

How do you fuck that up?
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To me, as a wrestling fan, that is completely irrelevant, you dork.
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Oh yeah, Bret Hart is the greatest of all time. Nevermind that he didn't draw. That's apparently irrelevant.
Actually, There was a reason that Summerslam '92 had him and Bulldog headlining, over the WWF title match with Randy Savage, the Ultimate Warrior, and Ric Flair's interference.

It's the same reason why, despite the fact that Sting, one of Flair's biggest rivals, used the Scorpion Deathlock for years before, that the hold is called the Sharpshooter to this day.

Hart was a bigger draw internationally than most people.
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Actually, There was a reason that Summerslam '92 had him and Bulldog headlining, over the WWF title match with Randy Savage, the Ultimate Warrior, and Ric Flair's interference.

It's the same reason why, despite the fact that Sting, one of Flair's biggest rivals, used the Scorpion Deathlock for years before, that the hold is called the Sharpshooter to this day.

Hart was a bigger draw internationally than most people.
You reallyY think that that's the reason, and not because, I don't know, they were in BRITAIN and the BRITISH BULLDOG was his opponent?

And you really think that the reason it's primarily called the Sharpshooter has to do with Bret's drawing power? Not because, say, that name is more linked to WWE than the SD, which is primarily linked to NWA/WCW, and one of those companies was eaten up by the other?

And have you considered that Hart's international drawing power may have had something to do with him being a non-American performer who was extremely heavily marketed overseas?
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You reallyY think that that's the reason, and not because, I don't know, they were in BRITAIN and the BRITISH BULLDOG was his opponent?

And you really think that the reason it's primarily called the Sharpshooter has to do with Bret's drawing power? Not because, say, that name is more linked to WWE than the SD, which is primarily linked to NWA/WCW, and one of those companies was eaten up by the other?

And have you considered that Hart's international drawing power may have had something to do with him being a non-American performer who was extremely heavily marketed overseas?
As for that last part of your post, Lex Luger was heavily, and I do mean heavily marketed as the next all american hero in the USA of all places, and the fans still wanted Bret Hart. You can be heavily marketed and yet not cause a dent in the minds of people...they dont have to love you. They did with Bret. The credit goes to him.

Bret was BIG everywhere. And by big I mean huge.
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Old 07-25-2009, 04:15 PM   #29
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Old 07-25-2009, 04:19 PM   #30
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we need more bret hart threads.
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Old 07-25-2009, 04:20 PM   #31
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Old 07-25-2009, 04:28 PM   #32
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I love Bret Hart. I do. But they headlined SummerSlam at WEMBLEY STADIUM because of The BRITISH Bulldog.
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Old 07-25-2009, 04:59 PM   #33
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I love Bret Hart. I do. But they headlined SummerSlam at WEMBLEY STADIUM because of The BRITISH Bulldog.
That, too. But it was Bret who told Vince that nothing could follow that match. To his credit, he was right.
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Old 07-25-2009, 05:33 PM   #34
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I love Bret Hart. I do. But they headlined SummerSlam at WEMBLEY STADIUM because of The BRITISH Bulldog.
Bret was just as popular as Bulldog. They were the two most over guys on the show and, with the title swich happening, made sense for it to be the main event. Plus Bret talked to Vince about it etc.
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Old 07-25-2009, 04:29 PM   #35
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But hot damn, what a match that was. Flair couldn't pull that off.
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Old 07-25-2009, 06:11 PM   #36
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Bret was not as popular as Davey Boy Smith. It wasn't even close. Bret had a good percentage of fans but it wasn't even close. Smith's reaction blew away every single wrestler's I have ever heard live.
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Was just pointing out that I wouldn't measure his greatness on how much WCW was willing to pay for him considering that they were infamous for wasting a seemingly infinite supply of money.

Flair is known for judging a wrestler's value based on how much money they drew. In Flair's eyes Bret is nobody when compared to guys like Hogan, Savage, and even Cena. Flair has been quoted putting Hogan even over himself. Bret doesn't compare in money making. The whole "Bret was international" thing keeps being brought up. Do you think guys like Hogan were marketed solely in America? Bret doesn't measure up in drawing value.

Was he a really great wrestler? Yes. But there's more to it than that when considering some of the greatest of all time.
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You're grossly underselling how Flair and Hogan happen to be friends, so Flair has no problem putting Hogan over. Look up the Off The Record interview in 2004 for proof of that. Flair only puts down people and their drawing ability to those he doesn't like. Funny how Bret was never a draw because he was part of the 'WWE machine', yet all his other buddies are draws when part of said machine.
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I'll say this again, I am a huge fan of Flair's, but he does come across as a tit for making personal digs at him which are false and yet he tries to back it up by listing a load of wrestlers he's faced who don't even come close to the accomplishments Bret made. Seriously, Jerry Briscoe??

Flair did have a decent 2 year run from '91-'93 in WWE, but what did he do when he appeared on WWWF cards in the mid '70's?? Oh yeah, he was wrestling Pete Sanchez in curtain jerking bouts.
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Old 07-25-2009, 11:46 PM   #40
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lol @ Flair comparing his painfully redundant career to the greatest to have ever graced the ring.
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