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Old 04-06-2004, 03:23 PM   #41
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I Can not believe the balls that sorry sob Bubba Ray Dudley has..this chacter is beyond disgraceful...he thinks he can set up a table when he really can't...I work in the housekeeping department of my school and this is just very disturbing to me...Every night he tries to set up a table, and he always fiddles with the metal thing on the legs when he should know damn well that gravity will pull it into place for him.... I find it VERY sickening....i hope he anbd the guy portraying "Devon" both burn in hell together

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First off I am FAR from politically correct I just feel like there is a point where someone goes to far. I was watching it in the home I live in and the tables got a little upset when seeing that...it just felt wrong in my opinion...maybe its because I have spent so much time with setting tables up because after I thought about it last night I realized that two years ago I may not have seen anything wrong with it. Lastley IMO I do not see how anyone who is around it all the time can see much humor in it.
Found out the hard way that comedy's harder than it looks, yeh?
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Old 04-06-2004, 03:27 PM   #42
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Found out the hard way that comedy's harder than it looks, yeh?
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Old 04-06-2004, 03:30 PM   #43
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That woulda been funny if the parody was, you know, good.
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Old 04-06-2004, 03:35 PM   #44
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That woulda been funny if the parody was, you know, good.
At least you're not insulted by it. I can stand not being funny, but it takes the cake that people get offended because other people are offended.
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Old 04-06-2004, 03:44 PM   #45
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Hopefully this is all leading up to Eugene "snapping out of it" and becoming normal. This is the last thign WWE should have done when we're in the midst of an FCC crackdown.
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Old 04-06-2004, 03:53 PM   #46
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Hopefully this is all leading up to Eugene "snapping out of it" and becoming normal. This is the last thign WWE should have done when we're in the midst of an FCC crackdown.

That's something I was thinking about last night too. How many people thought that Val Venus would still be the porn star after all these years? The way they introduced Eugene as Bischoff's nephew means that he can't snap out of it and say "Ha! I've been fooling you all this whole time!" because that would be his entire life according to Bischoff's character.

Wait...I'm not allowed to be talking about this. I'm supposed to be filled with shame because I wasn't disgusted at the the sight of Eugene. Excuse me while I perform sepoku.
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Old 04-06-2004, 04:25 PM   #48
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At least you're not insulted by it. I can stand not being funny, but it takes the cake that people get offended because other people are offended.
who's getting offended because of people getting offended?

the people who are offended in this thread are offended because they're playing a character as retarded for comic effect.
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Old 04-06-2004, 04:28 PM   #49
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Hopefully this is all leading up to Eugene "snapping out of it" and becoming normal. This is the last thign WWE should have done when we're in the midst of an FCC crackdown.

It's actually funny. The one legged wrestler couldn't get over but a retard will. Once again Vince has proved us all wrong and carried the ball
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Old 04-06-2004, 04:30 PM   #50
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who's getting offended because of people getting offended?

the people who are offended in this thread are offended because they're playing a character as retarded for comic effect.
You forgot the people getting offended because PC is so offensive.
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Old 04-06-2004, 04:37 PM   #51
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who's getting offended because of people getting offended?

the people who are offended in this thread are offended because they're playing a character as retarded for comic effect.
I give up. Sure I didn't think through the post I made to make it funny. Sure I am an ass for not agreeing with everyone. Sure I'm immature because I resort to saying that people suck. I'm not going to go so far as to say that I'm going to enjoy watching Eugene from now on, because I agree with the people who saw past the "shocking" nature of the character that is apparently so disgusting. There are some people who didn't find the segments with Eugene funny because they were awkward and the WWE writers have painted themselves into a corner. I agree with them. I don't agree with everyone who says that I have to be disgusted by it.

Oh yeah, and I suck at life apparently. I got it already.
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Old 04-06-2004, 04:42 PM   #52
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I give up. Sure I didn't think through the post I made to make it funny.
Or to make a good argument.
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Old 04-06-2004, 04:48 PM   #53
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I stand by what I posted earlier:

It's a bad gimmick and does nothing for Dinsmore. And it is sick humor. But the fact remains, it's the god damn WWE, people. Even if you want to ignore the violence invoved in wrestling, on every single episode you could be offended by the women treated as sex objects, the stereotyped characters, the toilet humor, the foul language (even if it is bleeped) , the sexual innuendo, and so on and so forth. It seems patently ridiculous to tune into the WWE and expect there to be any kind or moral compass. You don't tune into Jerry Springer and cry that they "encourage family dysfunction." You don't watch Howard Stern and complain that women are "objectified." The WWE is going to be crass and vulgar. That's part of their identity. If you don't like it, that's your right.

But then stop watching, because it is gong to happen again.
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seeing past the "shocking" element is hardly tough. Seeing past the "awful dead end gimmick" element is kind of tough.

And it is offensive. Want proof that it's offensive? People got offended by it. Nobody asked YOU to be offended by it, but don't invalidate the feelings of others.
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Old 04-06-2004, 04:58 PM   #55
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I stand by what I posted earlier:

It's a bad gimmick and does nothing for Dinsmore. And it is sick humor. But the fact remains, it's the god damn WWE, people. Even if you want to ignore the violence invoved in wrestling, on every single episode you could be offended by the women treated as sex objects, the stereotyped characters, the toilet humor, the foul language (even if it is bleeped) , the sexual innuendo, and so on and so forth. It seems patently ridiculous to tune into the WWE and expect there to be any kind or moral compass. You don't tune into Jerry Springer and cry that they "encourage family dysfunction." You don't watch Howard Stern and complain that women are "objectified." The WWE is going to be crass and vulgar. That's part of their identity. If you don't like it, that's your right.

But then stop watching, because it is gong to happen again.
Has anyone complained about how offensive Dance Dance Lance was?

Or Chris Benoit?

Clearly, offense is not a given.
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Old 04-06-2004, 04:59 PM   #56
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I never said it wasn't offensive.

Listen, when I watch a news report or something of a more serious nature, then I have a different set of standards. I expect them to be more cognizant of the feeling and plight of others. Iexect them to take what they are doing and their affect on other seriously.

But wrestling is good, clean , mindless humor. I know better than for the WWE and its writers to live up to any kind of standard whatsoever. I didn't get offended when Triple H mocked Booker T's "nappy hair" and called him to "come out and dance for me, boy." I don't get offended by Eddie Guerrero's character being based on avery Latino stereotype in the book...I'm sure many fans don't even realize that Eddie doesn't talk that way and barely speaks Spanish.

I don't get offended because I understand it's mindless humor and entertainment for the sake of entertainment. It's not meant to be taken seriously. I want to say that these people should just lighten up, but they have a right to be offended if they choose. But I would also suggest changing the channel from now on because the WWE isn't becoming MasterPiece Theatre anytime soon.
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Old 04-06-2004, 05:06 PM   #57
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Offense is not a given, but when you use that much crass humor, someone could be offended by everything on that show. There are people out there who are going to be offended by wrestling, period.

What is the debate, here? That the WWE should be "better than that?" That's all they do. Do we really have to go over the countless tasteless storylines they've done over the years? I just think it's odd that someone who'd be offended by Eugene would watch through dog murder, necrophilia, and the Al Wilson storyline in general. How many times has feces ben used in an angle? But this is where you draw the line? On a character that's been done dozens of time in wrestling...George Steel, Norman The Lunatic...Eugene is not the first "special" wrestler.

It's all toilet humor. And it's not going to get more mature or sensitive all of a sudden.
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Old 04-06-2004, 05:10 PM   #58
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Kane Knight, you're quite the antagonist. I like the cut of your jib, man. Hopefully I won't run across your path again like this by saying something that is so easily torn apart.

PureHatred, at least I understand where you're coming from.

Everyone else, I'm just going to agree to disagree. This is obviously a topic that could go on endlessly until we all have reps that look like Super Slim's
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That might be the single most mature post I've read since I've been on these boards.

I can live with "we agree to disagree." Much rep. Carry on.
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Old 04-06-2004, 05:35 PM   #60
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Offense is not a given, but when you use that much crass humor, someone could be offended by everything on that show. There are people out there who are going to be offended by wrestling, period.

What is the debate, here? That the WWE should be "better than that?" That's all they do. Do we really have to go over the countless tasteless storylines they've done over the years? I just think it's odd that someone who'd be offended by Eugene would watch through dog murder, necrophilia, and the Al Wilson storyline in general. How many times has feces ben used in an angle? But this is where you draw the line? On a character that's been done dozens of time in wrestling...George Steel, Norman The Lunatic...Eugene is not the first "special" wrestler.

It's all toilet humor. And it's not going to get more mature or sensitive all of a sudden.
You know, it's not hard to figure out that there are shades of offense.

People were a little bothered by Bu-Bu-Bu-Bubba(if at all). People were a lot bothered by HHH fucking a corpse. Maybe there's a reason? Oh yeah, a stutter's not as horrendous as necrophillia.

Shoving your head in the sand and saying "Toilet humour" doesn't cut it. Not all "vulgarities" are the same. You want proof? Make a dick or fart joke. Then mmake a "How many niggers does it take to screw in a lightbulb?" Joke.

Hmmm...both are vulgar, but they will get you different responses. I wonder why...
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Old 04-06-2004, 06:03 PM   #61
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I'm not horribly offended by these angles, but they're just frustrating to watch. Mainly because they aren't funny and a 7-year-old could write them.
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I'm not offended because it's politically incorrect.

I'm offended because it's badly written.
I'm offended because they're ripping off a character from one of my least favorite movies of all-time.
I'm offended because Nick Dinsmore just doesn't play a convincing person with a disability.
I'm offended because this is NOT how I wanted to see William Regal come back.
I THOUGHT THE MOVIE WAS OK , BUT OTHER THAN THAT I AGREE.I THINK THE WWE'S WRITTERS ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE A DISABILITY.
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I thought it was funny the first little bit....but it'll get tiresome really fast. Now no one will take him seriously if they change his gimmick...poor guy.
Maybe they'll have him get hit hard on the head with a chair then he'll start saying E=mc^2
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offensive? Maybe not

really dumb and bad for business? Yup

are any fans going to pay to come and see a "mentally challenged" wrestler? No.

Will Nick Dinsmore's worth be exponentially reduced by having played this character? Yes

Will the entire angle revolve around Regal being disgusted by his charge and eventually turning on him? You betcha.

Will this angle put bums on seats? Not a chance in hell.

Will this angle disgust a lot of people? Probably.

This is readymade Wrestlecrap.
brilliantly put.
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There are different shades of vulgarity. But not everyone is going to make the same judgments.

I'm not saying I don't see why this is offensive. But with the WWE, and with shows like Saturday Night Live, Crank Yankers, South Park, Howard Stern, etc...they set out to shock in order to entertain. That's just what they do. And at some point, they are going to push the buttons And everyone has different buttons. So at some point, the WWE is going to do something that pisses off everyone watching based on their own individula criteria. Some segments, like Eugene and Katie Vick and Bossman desecrating Show's father, are going to piss off a greater segment of the viewing audience.

I personally think that the Eugene idea is dumb. It's a dumb angle, it hurts Nick Dinsmore, and its a step back for Raw which has been on the upswing the last few weeks. But in the end, if you watch a show whose purpose it is to shock, then you can't be that surprised when your buttons gets pushed. If the WWE is going to try to be edgey, it's also going to go over the line.
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I'm not horribly offended by these angles, but they're just frustrating to watch. Mainly because they aren't funny and a 7-year-old could write them.
indeed.

They're stupid, they're crap, and they're not really all that amusing.
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Old 04-06-2004, 06:25 PM   #68
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There are different shades of vulgarity. But not everyone is going to make the same judgments.
So then why even argue the point you've been clinging to?

You've basically answered the opposing point of view right in these words alone.

Not everyone is going to make the same judgements, you say? So why do people have a problem with this?

Hmmmm...
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This "angle" with Eugene isn't vulgar. It's just distasteful. I'm not personally offended by it, but I do know that there are going to be plenty of people who are pissed off about it. Mentally disabled people are people you just don't exploit. And Eugene is the FIRST of this kind of character. George Steele was just an animal. If Norman the Lunatic was a mentally disabled person then I guess Mankind circa 1996 was also. Eugene IS a mentally-challenged person who is a take-off of Warren from "There's Something about Mary", and it's a bad acting job and a stupid move by Vince creating this character. Hopefully this will fizzle out quicker than Beaver Cleavage.

I bet this angle crashed Wrestlecrap.com's mailbag.
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I Can not believe the balls that sorry sob Bubba Ray Dudley has..this chacter is beyond disgraceful...he thinks he can set up a table when he really can't...I work in the housekeeping department of my school and this is just very disturbing to me...Every night he tries to set up a table, and he always fiddles with the metal thing on the legs when he should know damn well that gravity will pull it into place for him.... I find it VERY sickening....i hope he anbd the guy portraying "Devon" both burn in hell together

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First off I am FAR from politically correct I just feel like there is a point where someone goes to far. I was watching it in the home I live in and the tables got a little upset when seeing that...it just felt wrong in my opinion...maybe its because I have spent so much time with setting tables up because after I thought about it last night I realized that two years ago I may not have seen anything wrong with it. Lastley IMO I do not see how anyone who is around it all the time can see much humor in it.
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This "angle" with Eugene isn't vulgar. It's just distasteful. I'm not personally offended by it, but I do know that there are going to be plenty of people who are pissed off about it. Mentally disabled people are people you just don't exploit. And Eugene is the FIRST of this kind of character. George Steele was just an animal. If Norman the Lunatic was a mentally disabled person then I guess Mankind circa 1996 was also. Eugene IS a mentally-challenged person who is a take-off of Warren from "There's Something about Mary", and it's a bad acting job and a stupid move by Vince creating this character. Hopefully this will fizzle out quicker than Beaver Cleavage.

I bet this angle crashed Wrestlecrap.com's mailbag.
Yeah.

I'm not really offended, I'm sure a lot of people will be. I still think it's stupid. You don't need to be directly or indirectly offended by this to think it's a bad idea, in poor taste, and not a good thing for wrestling or the wrestlers involved.
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I'm not offended because it's politically incorrect.

I'm offended because it's badly written.
I'm offended because they're ripping off a character from one of my least favorite movies of all-time.
I'm offended because Nick Dinsmore just doesn't play a convincing person with a disability.
I'm offended because this is NOT how I wanted to see William Regal come back.
That's not being offended that called being insulted. Thinking a company is insulting your intelligence and being offended are two diffrent things.
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I call it more being annoyed.

However, you can still consider it offensive if you want.
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All of you are way too sensitive. Too bad they don't make condoms that cover your egos and emotions, cause most of you would need it.
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Look I don't really see the whole big deal about this "Eugene" Guy. I wasn't offended at all not in the very least And let me tell you that I have a mental handicap myself and the way i see it if I am not worked up about it and even found it funny I don't know what some people are making a big deal about. It's just a controversial storyline that's it. I would actually like to see where this is headed.
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I don't find it offensive, therefore I don't see why other people should care at all...
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And how big an Orton fan can you possibly be if you can't spell his name right?
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And how big an Orton fan can you possibly be if you can't spell his name right?
I find that offensive Kane Knight the guy just mentioned he's mentally handicapped, don't make fun of retarded people. Unless of course it's the President, that acceptable.
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I don't see why it's so offensive, therefore I'll call you a pussy and tell you to stfu.
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