i hope they keep undertaker off tv

[KillerWolf]

Originally Posted by CBright7831 Do you know how stupid he would look in chaps, and those gloves, and that attire, with his short hair?

ok......the point of this post was not that i wanna see taker pull a wm13 as far as his 'look' goes. at wm20 i was disapointed that to see paul bearer. i was disapointed to see the urn. i was disapointed to see the druids or whatever with the torches. I REALLY REALLY HOPED FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY NEW AND ORIGINAL. (personally, i was hoping for something satanic and badass looking). thing is, the "creative writers" had MONTHS to come up with something, and what they delivered was a JOKE that was valid for ONE MATCH AND ONE MATCH ONLY. and i am therefore glad that undertaker is not on tv making a fool out of himself. i am hoping that they are revamping takers character to something more original than a half-assed attempt at an 'old-school' nostalgia trip. at this point i would even settle for the 'ministry'.

and due to the wwe's creative failure, undertaker fans who did not see wm20 and do not happen to be fortunate enough to go to a HOUSE SHOW ONCE A ****IN' WEEK have not seen their beloved undertaker since his return.

[Moongoose Mcqueen]

I guess they're keeping him off tv to test the waters with his fued with Booker T before going into, and I suppose at the same time working on his look/storylines. But I would suggest they hurry up and get him on tv, because the basic wrestling fan isn't gonna care about his return anymore, his hype coming of wmxx will die off. This week would have been a good time to show his appearance on the televised event, but its going on basically a month next week or so.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by Mr Sunday Night Yeah, but this isn't back in the day. These days, if you're out of sight, you're out of mind. And how are they supposed to push an UT PPV match without him being on TV regularly? It worked with Kane, but there isn't a plausabile scenario with anyone else. They really need to include the Taker as a regular part of the Smackdown broadcast, but they need to do something about the direction he's going in. My suggestion (as if i matters) is to have him continue laying out SD heels, until finally trying to do so against a certain somebody, and getting his ass handed to him a little bit. Although I don't know who the certain somebody would be (SD! is a little low on heels), but I do know that it would up their credibility a few notches. Of course, that will never happen. I don't see a big difference between Austin's previous role on TV and Taker's current role. They don't wrestle on TV, but they bury talent. It's pointless. Maybe UT should go the way of Austin and leave the WWE. I know that I wouldn't mind.

Well in terms of promoting house shows, you can have him do promos where he talks about coming to a certain town for house shows (which can run during the existing house shows spots).

Then for PPV, you have a heel talk smack about him, Taker comes back one week, they brawl, PPV match is announced, and vignettes are produced with Taker and Bearor talking about _______ getting dealt with at the PPV.

I just think Taker's gimmick doesn't lend itself to being a TV character where he can be on TV every week cutting promos and working matches. I think he needs to be used liek Hogan was back in the day where he makes rare appearances on Tv that leads to PPVs and house shows.

[CBright7831]

Originally Posted by shock&awe ok......the point of this post was not that i wanna see taker pull a wm13 as far as his 'look' goes. at wm20 i was disapointed that to see paul bearer. i was disapointed to see the urn. i was disapointed to see the druids or whatever with the torches. I REALLY REALLY HOPED FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY NEW AND ORIGINAL. (personally, i was hoping for something satanic and badass looking). thing is, the "creative writers" had MONTHS to come up with something, and what they delivered was a JOKE that was valid for ONE MATCH AND ONE MATCH ONLY. and i am therefore glad that undertaker is not on tv making a fool out of himself. i am hoping that they are revamping takers character to something more original than a half-assed attempt at an 'old-school' nostalgia trip. at this point i would even settle for the 'ministry'. and due to the wwe's creative failure, undertaker fans who did not see wm20 and do not happen to be fortunate enough to go to a HOUSE SHOW ONCE A ****IN' WEEK have not seen their beloved undertaker since his return.

As long as his hair is barely at short length, he should stick to badass biker taker attire.

That's all I'm going to say.

[Wondermouse]

Because there's no way at all to make his hair artificially longer. None.

[Moongoose Mcqueen]

I don't know how it would work in wrestling, but they can add realistic extensions to someones hair that can sustain action and movement in movies and with stuntmen and stuff. If it would have looked stupid, then obv don't use it, but it was also a short squash, and then as we're seeing he wouldn't have to wrestle until Judgment day, 2 months later.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Wondermouse Because there's no way at all to make his hair artificially longer. None.

[Kane Knight]

Yeah, I love it when people say "he has short hair!"

Well, of course.

[KillerWolf]

god dammit!!!!! the point was not supposed to be about the man's hair. the point was that the wwe lacked the foresight to see that that this new 'old undertaker' would not be valid past wm20. if brock lesnar had not quit, it might have been a descent feud. but he did quit, and since their new creation has 0 flexibility, he is off of tv, and that sucks if you are an undertaker fan.

ya know what would be funny.........if he came out on tv (next smackdown) as heel 'bikertaker' and said 'screw all you fans who want him to be the deadman'.

that sounds like a mainstream heel and #1 contender to me.

[Kane Knight]

dunno. If a heel's job is to get a ton of fanboys to turn off their TVs, then yes, it sounds like a mainstream heel.

[KillerWolf]

......more on that

one could easily read all the posts on this topic and think: "bitch, bitch!!! people bitch because they want undertaker to go back to all the supernatural gobblegygook, and when he does, they're still not happy". well i think that it is clear that this regression to 'old-school ut was done to appease the fans.

BABYFACE biker character DID suck. and yeah, i missed the 'lord of darkness' (ministry) undertaker. but, i was perfectly happy with the 'red devil' (heel biker character). "yes sir - i am your world wresting federation champion. and you will respect me". i thought it was entertaining. but then, after only three months or so, they turn him face again! WTF!

especially for a man his size, Mark Calloway used to be able to do some amazing things in the ring. i understand that he is no longer capable of doing a swan dive over the top rope or being thrown through the middle rope and landing on his feet. his limited stamina and ring ability IMO sort of negates the whole concept of making him 'the phenom' again. i was content with the smashmouth/submission style he had adopted.

so anyway. IMO this is just the wrong era for 'the phenom' because that character requires to be 'fed' a steady stream of 'disposable heels'. and things have gotten so bad that bradshaw is the top heel. and its OBVIOUS that that character is way too inflexable. and baby face bikertaker is LAME. i think that heel bikertaker is cool and flexible:

he could come out next week as big evil/red devil and say "screw you fans and screw this company, i aint gonna be the phenom". he could thrust himself into a title shot by intimidating kurt angle ( angle's a heel now, and therefore a coward ) he could then be 'out-smarted' somehow by eddie at the ppv title match. the next week on smackdown he can jump eddie and give him a bloody beating. eddie is saved by random main event or upper-midcard face. taker then feuds with that person for 'sticking their nose in his business'.

it all = undertaker back on tv - in a role that
a) isnt outdated
b) is flexible
c) calloway isnt too old to play

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by shock&awe one could easily read all the posts on this topic and think: "bitch, bitch!!! people bitch because they want undertaker to go back to all the supernatural gobblegygook, and when he does, they're still not happy". well i think that it is clear that this regression to 'old-school ut was done to appease the fans.

"One" could...If "one" was retarded...

He didn't "Go back," nor was he a hybrid, or any of the other bullshit people have been saying. And if it was done to appease the fans, they coulda tried actually appeasing the fans...

[KillerWolf]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight dunno. If a heel's job is to get a ton of fanboys to turn off their TVs, then yes, it sounds like a mainstream heel.

i might need you too elaborate on that. are you sayin' there's a lot of (i guess gothic people who like to play misunderstood vampire when they're not baggin' groceries at the piggly wiggly) who only tune in to wrestling because they herd the phenom was returning - and if he bails on this gimmick, they'll stop watching?

[Fryza]

All I'm going to say, is if they put him on TV, they need to change his gimmick.

'Taker doesn't put over. Period. Having him with the deadman gimmick means he'll make ALL their workers (especially people like Booker and Bradshaw, who they NEED to look strong) look weak. Bringing him out on TV ruins the image they need to create for many of their workers. And since he's a face, he can just tear through about the four-seven heels they really have (Booker, Bradshaw, Haas, Show, FBI, Long, Jindrak).

Just my two cents..

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by shock&awe i might need you too elaborate on that. are you sayin' there's a lot of (i guess gothic people who like to play misunderstood vampire when they're not baggin' groceries at the piggly wiggly) who only tune in to wrestling because they herd the phenom was returning - and if he bails on this gimmick, they'll stop watching?

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Fryza All I'm going to say, is if they put him on TV, they need to change his gimmick. 'Taker doesn't put over. Period. Having him with the deadman gimmick means he'll make ALL their workers (especially people like Booker and Bradshaw, who they NEED to look strong) look weak. Bringing him out on TV ruins the image they need to create for many of their workers. And since he's a face, he can just tear through about the four-seven heels they really have (Booker, Bradshaw, Haas, Show, FBI, Long, Jindrak). Just my two cents..

So they move him over to Raw, have him dominate, then get buried by HHH, followed by being buried by Shane, and finally, have him jobbing on Heat to Hurricane...

[R3st!nP3ac3]

well maybe heres what WWE is trying to do, maybe not? but when UT returned people complained on how he still wrestled like the Bad Ass and not like the Dead Man. Well maybe since Brock quit and Taker couldn't go anywhere maybe he is trying to brush up on his skill and maybe there experimenting with him (and taking the damn bandana off his head)

[Moongoose Mcqueen]

I thinks its safe to say that just about everyone was at least a little dissapointed with the new look, but Smackdown is in dire need of him anyways due to their lack of big names. The draft lottery brought them Booker T to the main event, RVD, and freed up Haas and Jindrak for singles wrestling, but they're still hurting.
I didn't like the new look at all, but I'm able to suck it up once I realize its better than the american badass of 2003 and Smackdown needs Taker seeing as they've lost Brock, and Kurts on the DL. Hopefully the look will progress, as long as he keeps growing his hair and they don't add another damn element of the badass like they did after WM.

[CBright7831]

They should have moved him to RAW. They could have also kept Triple H on Smackdown! and let him feud with Taker, but obviously that's not going to happen now.

[John la Rock]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Good mix...90% badass, 10% Old School.

hmm let's see. he had the deadman music, deadman entrance, he was accompanied by Paul Bearer, he used all the deadman manerisms, and he won using the Tombstone Piledriver.

If you ask me he was 90 % deadman

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by John la Rock hmm let's see. he had the deadman music, deadman entrance, he was accompanied by Paul Bearer, he used all the deadman manerisms, and he won using the Tombstone Piledriver. If you ask me he was 90 % deadman

Wow, he had druids and the graveyard symphony! Well, there you have it, kids! 90% deadman!



And in the moment where Kane tomstoned Linda, he magically became Oldschool as well, right?

[John la Rock]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Wow, he had druids and the graveyard symphony! Well, there you have it, kids! 90% deadman! And in the moment where Kane tomstoned Linda, he magically became Oldschool as well, right?

explain to me how we was 90 % bad ass then?

[Kane Knight]

Like most people who saw the match without the entrance would have gathered he was supposed to be the Deadman...

[Batsu]

Yeah...it seems like a midpoint between Biker Bad Ass Taker and the Taker before the return.

When Taker came back at Judgement Day 00, in the long black trenchcoat and did the eye-rolling gimmick... I thought this was the beginning of something great. It was cool for a while but it kind of died down as Undertaker was fast becoming an "Austin Mark II" and eventually "Mean Mark Callous Redux".

Does anyone remember Undertaker right before he left WWE due to injury back in '99? He kinda looked like Biker Taker...

I think that for a "Deadman" gimmick Undertaker was doing too much of the "Bart Gunn" thing and not too much of the "Taker" thing.

The '98-'99 Taker was great. I think he got a "babyface" pass on the basis of his longevity, but most of that time, that Taker was straight evil HEEL. The "You Will Respect Me" / BIG EVIL Taker was the closest thing to that, but for a different reason altogether.

the outfit Undertaker used to wear didn't seem too outlandish compared to the other more "extreme" wrestlers. The "goth" side of Taker was what gave him that extra edge. That went out the window with the Biker image...he still made all those "devil" references, but they just seemed out of place with the "Biker".

Biker Taker jumped the shark with that DDP feud. By then he was about in the same boat as Stone Cold Steve Austin post-"What?"-mania.

He got some of his fire back in that Brock Lesnar feud, but that was about it...

as for Kane, him Tombstoning Linda didn't (completely) make him old school; that kinda reminded me of late '99 when he was out to Tombstone Tori (back before that damn piledriver ban was applied)....but the mannerisms of the unmasked Kane were a lot closer to home than that (admittedly funny, but defnitely -weird-) stuff he was doing in that horrible second feud with HHH that sparked that "necrophilia" angle. That was kinda sad because the "fireball" shooting Kane feud with HHH (in which HHH dressed up as Goldust) made me wish for a retread of that feud for years...