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Old 02-03-2010, 07:10 PM   #1
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Yeah but do they work out with THE GAME?
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Old 02-03-2010, 06:54 PM   #2
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That's a whole other discussion.
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No its not. Stop trying to back out when you're wrong.
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Old 02-03-2010, 06:56 PM   #4
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Exactly. Those I listed at least have build to them, and Christian especially can be seen as a legitimate contender.
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Old 02-03-2010, 07:00 PM   #5
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But they have more build than Sheamus ever did, and with DiBiase he has wins over DX. Just takes maybe a month or two and he could be a main eventer.

As for Kofi, he had the GOOD main event push with Orton and then they dropped it. He was being made and they fucked him up.

This is relevant because Sheamus was pretty fucking low on the list for legitimate contendership and his build hasn't really helped him much.

Mark Henry is another one who, with a month or two of build, could be a contender.
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Its sad when were saying Mark Henry could be a contender.
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My point wasn't that Sheamus was the best choice, my point was that since he IS the choice, it's better than the alternative (another year of HHH/Orton/Cena)
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I disagree. At least Hunter, Orton or Cena have the title being a large focus of the show.
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Well i guess it's a matter of personal taste. I personally don't want to see Orton, HHH or Cena with the title any time soon.
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The thing is, Hunter and Cena especially are still the LARGEST part of the show, EVEN WITHOUT THE TITLE. So it makes no difference whether they hold the title or not, they're still shoved down your throat. At least with the title on them it has a real focus.
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The thing is, Hunter and Cena especially are still the LARGEST part of the show, EVEN WITHOUT THE TITLE. So it makes no difference whether they hold the title or not, they're still shoved down your throat. At least with the title on them it has a real focus.
Yeah a real focus on boring matches we've seen a million times already. Again, no thanks.
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Yeah a real focus on boring matches we've seen a million times already. Again, no thanks.
You're still getting them above Sheamus. What's the difference?
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You're still getting them above Sheamus. What's the difference?
As long as they're not wrestling for the title, I could care less what else they do.
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The thing is, Hunter and Cena especially are still the LARGEST part of the show, EVEN WITHOUT THE TITLE. So it makes no difference whether they hold the title or not, they're still shoved down your throat. At least with the title on them it has a real focus.
They're the large focus of the show, but not against eachother. Triple H is part of DX, Orton has been fueding with Kofi and now is in a legacy storyline, and Cena was chasing Sheamus' title and now is in another angle.

I find it's far more interesting when those 3 are split up to fued with other talent, and do something new that doesn't have to do with the title.
It allows for someone else holding the title, which is fresh. In this case it's Sheamus.

I agree that the way Sheamus is being booked is awful if you look at it from a kayfabe point of view. He hasn't beaten anybody. But I think they're throwing kayfabe to the wind and trying to find a way to have their cake and eat it too (push Sheamus and not have to actually job any of their main eventers)
I guess they figure they can get away with it. Among their major fanbase, I'm sure they're succeeding.
As for me, I can see where you're coming from. I complained when they did the exact same thing with Jericho, but at this stage in the game I just don't care. I'm buying it because I am looking at it for what it is and not kayfabe.
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You kind of twisted what I said too. I never said Sheamus was the BEST choice to be champion. I would take DiBiase, Kofi or Christian over HHH/Orton/Cena too.
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Did I ever say you thought he was the best choice? The fact that you even CONSIDER him a choice is what baffles me.
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It probably was something like this...

HHH: First person to get me a protein shake can have reign as WWE Champion for a couple months
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HHH: First person to get me a protein shake can have reign as WWE Champion for a couple months
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What do you mean "consider him a choice" ? He already is the choice, and I don't mind it one bit. We've seen HHH/Orton/Cena in a million matches with every stipulation under the sun and I was sick of it. I know I'm not the only one who was sick of it, since there were threads almost every week on how boring the Raw main event scene was, and now they throw someone new in the mix (granted, not the best choice, but its something new and fresh) and you're still not happy.
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What do you mean "consider him a choice" ? He already is the choice, and I don't mind it one bit. We've seen HHH/Orton/Cena in a million matches with every stipulation under the sun and I was sick of it. I know I'm not the only one who was sick of it, since there were threads almost every week on how boring the Raw main event scene was, and now they throw someone new in the mix (granted, not the best choice, but its something new and fresh) and you're still not happy.
So you enjoy the champion having MAYBE 15 minutes of air time every week, having no legit wins and being fifth fiddle?
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So you enjoy the champion having MAYBE 15 minutes of air time every week, having no legit wins and being fifth fiddle?
I wouldn't say I enjoy it, but I certainly don't mind it.
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Sheamus is the lesser of four evils
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Sheamus is the lesser of four evils
Exactly.

The IWC is notorious for never being satisfied and this is just another case of that.
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Exactly.

The IWC is notorious for never being satisfied and this is just another case of that.
The IWC is justified in this case, its a matter of opinion.

And besides, IWC isn't just one person so everyone will have their own opinions. Otherwise they would just be called sheep.
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People bitched for months and months about how stale the main event scene was on Raw. So now, just because Sheamus is not the guy you would have picked to be champion (I wouldn't have picked him either), you'd rather it go back to the way it was?
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If the championship means something, which it did? Absolutely.

I'll take the championship's prestige over shitty rematches any day.

Again, we're still getting all these guys above Sheamus ANYWAY, so there is NO difference whatsoever, other than the title not being around their waist. And at least then, again, the title had SOME meaning.
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If the championship means something, which it did? Absolutely.

I'll take the championship's prestige over shitty rematches any day.

Again, we're still getting all these guys above Sheamus ANYWAY, so there is NO difference whatsoever, other than the title not being around their waist. And at least then, again, the title had SOME meaning.
But with HHH/Orton/Cena ALL you get is shitty rematches
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But with HHH/Orton/Cena ALL you get is shitty rematches
And the title being displayed at the top of the card.
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Again, we're still getting all these guys above Sheamus ANYWAY, so there is NO difference whatsoever, other than the title not being around their waist. And at least then, again, the title had SOME meaning.
That's a really cynical way to look at it.

So just because HHH/Orton/Cena are still stars, they should continue to trade the belt between each other and deliver the same exact main events every month?
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That's a really cynical way to look at it.

So just because HHH/Orton/Cena are still stars, they should continue to trade the belt between each other and deliver the same exact main events every month?
No, they could atleast attempt to put the midcarders over (like jericho does)rather than just rotate it between them.

As sheamus has connections with HHH, its not quite the same, and the fact he came from nowhere.
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It's not that they're stars, it's that they're FAR and ABOVE the champion, and are booked as such.

THAT is the problem I have.
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Only time putting the belt on a rookie really works, is when he is a monster like lesnar, which shaemus clearly is not.

Horrible decision to just give him the belt like that.
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Only time putting the belt on a rookie really works, is when he is a monster like lesnar, which shaemus clearly is not.

Horrible decision to just give him the belt like that.
Yeah, I agree that just throwing the belt on him wasn't the best idea, but it happened and there's nothing I can do but sit back and enjoy.
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I'm pretty sure that if they would have given the belt to DiBiase, Kofi, Christian or Mark Henry, they'd be in the exact same position as Sheamus. And i would still rather have either of them as champion over HHH/Orton/Cena
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I bet Sheamus is hated by alot of the roster, just comes in being a friend of HHH's and gets the title, while they're still working their asses off/'paying their dues'.
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I bet Sheamus is hated by alot of the roster, just comes in being a friend of HHH's and gets the title, while they're still working their asses off/'paying their dues'.
I doubt it. Like Xero said, he only gets about 15 mins of air time and has yet to main event a PPV.
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