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Old 02-17-2016, 12:07 PM   #1
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In all fairness to Vince, he needs to be positive at these conferences. I would never expect him to be doom and gloom. He's going to present himself as successful because well.... He is and so is his company.

I appreciated Meltzers reporting of the conference, as it makes the solid points of yeah the company is just fine and the ratings drop means very little short term, but could be very detrimental long term if you can't retain your viewers or garner any new viewership. The streaming excuse iseh at best, as other programming does not suffer the same fate.
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In all fairness to Vince, he needs to be positive at these conferences. I would never expect him to be doom and gloom. He's going to present himself as successful because well.... He is and so is his company.

I appreciated Meltzers reporting of the conference, as it makes the solid points of yeah the company is just fine and the ratings drop means very little short term, but could be very detrimental long term if you can't retain your viewers or garner any new viewership. The streaming excuse iseh at best, as other programming does not suffer the same fate.
Absolutely. I don't expect Vince to be anything but positive on these calls nor do I expect Vince to be 100% honest, outside of his legal fiduciary duties to be honest with the shareholders regarding finances, obviously.
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Absolutely. I don't expect Vince to be anything but positive on these calls nor do I expect Vince to be 100% honest, outside of his legal fiduciary duties to be honest with the shareholders regarding finances, obviously.
He's not there to be a cheerleader. He cant outright lie on these conferences. If he does, WWE will be up shit creek. They are already in hot water when Vince was doing a bit of carny talk when the Network first launched. I think he learned his lesson.
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In all fairness to Vince, he needs to be positive at these conferences. I would never expect him to be doom and gloom. He's going to present himself as successful because well.... He is and so is his company.

I appreciated Meltzers reporting of the conference, as it makes the solid points of yeah the company is just fine and the ratings drop means very little short term, but could be very detrimental long term if you can't retain your viewers or garner any new viewership. The streaming excuse iseh at best, as other programming does not suffer the same fate.
This is the nonsense I am talking about. I was subscribing to Meltzer's rag in 2000, and he was saying the EXACT SAME SHIT then. "Ratings are down 8%, it doesnt mean anything now, but long term it could". Meanwhile every year they grow their TV rights fees. If you want to listen to someone out of their depth, listen to Uncle Dave talk WWE Finances.
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By the way, like CyNick, if Vince truly thinks that ratings don't matter anymore and WWE doesn't care about them, why did Vince randomly come back to TV as a character? What was the point if not to drive up the ratings?
Because it fit into the storylines and to drive overall interest in the product.

If you bothered to listen to what Vince said, he talked about how they want to drive overall interest in the product. They cant force the WWE Universe to watch in one particular way. Some like to watch the full show on cable (week in week out the highest watched show on Monday nights), some on You Tube (one of if not the biggest You Tube channel), or the Network (top 5 in its class).
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Raw got 3.6 million in their 1st hour, 3.5 in their 2nd hour, and 3.2 million in their third hour.

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Raw got 3.6 million in their 1st hour, 3.5 in their 2nd hour, and 3.2 million in their third hour.

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The average viewers per season has literally gone up every fucking season. Even if it goes down at the end of this season, the fact that the last 5 years the ratings have gone up proves that "ratings are down across the board" isn't an excuse. Because there's a popular show where the ratings have been going up every year for 5 years while Raw has been in a steady decline.

How the fuck are you still trying to compare certain episodes thinking it DOESN'T make you look retarded? Look at the average ratings for the season, Corky. Average. Takes all the episodes for the season and gives you a precise number that tells you exactly how well the show did as a whole for the season. As opposed to just nitpicking certain episodes to try to make your point. Math, dumbass.
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The average viewers per season has literally gone up every fucking season. Even if it goes down at the end of this season, the point that the last 5 years the ratings have gone up proves that "ratings are down across the board" isn't an excuse. Because there's a popular show where the ratings have been going up every year while Raw has been in a steady decline.

How the fuck are you stil trying to compare certain episodes thinking it DOESN'T make you look retarded? Look at the average ratings for the season, Corky. Average. Takes all the episodes for the season and gives you a precise number that tells you how well the show did as a whole for the season. As opposed to just nitpicking certain episodes to try to make your point. Math, dumbass.
Man you're classic

You do realize that the CURRENT season is not over right?

I could look at the entire average of season 5 (14.4 million viewers) and compare it to the 9 episodes thus far in Season 6 (13.3 million viewers). It would help prove my point, but wouldnt be an apples to apples comparison....maybe this is already too far over your head....ah well lets plow through....Its not like I went through and picked a random episode from season 6 and said "oh look episode 3 S6 vs S5 is down". I looked at the AVERAGE 9 episodes into S6 and the AVERAGE 9 episodes into S5. See above...they are down...I see his eyes glazing over...he's not understanding...he's going to call me a name to make himself feel like a tough guy...
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Alright, this guy's gotta be a fucking troll. My God.
Thats already little buddy, you can still have a cookie for trying.
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The average viewers per season has literally gone up every fucking season. Even if it goes down at the end of this season, the fact that the last 5 years the ratings have gone up proves that "ratings are down across the board" isn't an excuse. Because there's a popular show where the ratings have been going up every year for 5 years while Raw has been in a steady decline.

How the fuck are you still trying to compare certain episodes thinking it DOESN'T make you look retarded? Look at the average ratings for the season, Corky. Average. Takes all the episodes for the season and gives you a precise number that tells you exactly how well the show did as a whole for the season. As opposed to just nitpicking certain episodes to try to make your point. Math, dumbass.
Just wanted to update this. Current season is sitting at 8% less viewers than same point ytd last year.

So even the most popular show on cable is seeing a decline. I wonder what their ratings will be like in 2026....I'm assuming of course that a show off this magnitude will have the longevity of Raw.
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Seriously, are you trying to prove a point to anybody else or just convincing yourself? Because I can't imagine there is anyone else who thinks comparing the season premieres of a show as opposed to the overall ratings season-by-season is the proper way to tell whether a show's ratings are improving year-by-year or not.

If you're not trying to prove a point to anyone else, congrats. I'm sure you're reading your own retarded logic, kicking back with a smile and basking in your own derp dee derp.
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Seriously, are you trying to prove a point to anybody else or just convincing yourself? Because I can't imagine there is anyone else who thinks comparing the season premieres of a show as opposed to the overall ratings season-by-season is the proper way to tell whether a show's ratings are improving year-by-year or not.

If you're not trying to prove a point to anyone else, congrats. I'm sure you're reading your own retarded logic, kicking back with a smile and basking in your own derp dee derp.
When my point was the CURRENT season is down vs the previous season (which it was), the best way to compare would be year to date. Its literally the only way to compare.

I find it funny that you keep driving this point home, like you have some point here, but you just keep looking more hilarious by the post.
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According to the Observer, this week's RAW managed to be the 2nd lowest in the last 18 years in terms of overall viewers when not counting football or holiday weeks.

Missed out on being the new record by around 90,000 viewers.

In terms of historical stuff, same show last year did around 500k more for viewers. Lowest hour of that show was still around 200k more than the best hour this week.
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According to the Observer, this week's RAW managed to be the 2nd lowest in the last 18 years in terms of overall viewers when not counting football or holiday weeks.

Missed out on being the new record by around 90,000 viewers.

In terms of historical stuff, same show last year did around 500k more for viewers. Lowest hour of that show was still around 200k more than the best hour this week.
Felt like this was a test to see the appeal on Strowman and he failed hard. Did not help he was going against Big Show.
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According to the Observer, this week's RAW managed to be the 2nd lowest in the last 18 years in terms of overall viewers when not counting football or holiday weeks.

Missed out on being the new record by around 90,000 viewers.

In terms of historical stuff, same show last year did around 500k more for viewers. Lowest hour of that show was still around 200k more than the best hour this week.
To me it's not great journalism to just talk about the year over year viewers. When the show is #1 it tells you people are just watching cable less.

This is the thing that annoys me about this talk. If WWE is thought to be struggling, then almost every show on cable must be struggling creatively as well.
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Conducted a small experiment in public where I gauge the power of the current WWE to the power of WCW's run of the nWo/WWF Attitude Era. Wearing my nWo shirt or The Rock's shirt will garner responses of positivity and happy memories. Going to the same locations and interacting with the same people in a Dean Ambrose shirt alludes to no reaction at all or the typical "what is that shirt all about? Who is it?".


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Was he saying that in character or on some podcast no one listens to?
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I watched it on the WWE network when they gave us a free week about 2 years ago forgot what the video was called.
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Old 02-18-2016, 05:05 PM   #27
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Old 02-18-2016, 09:02 PM   #28
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You must have missed the walking dead debate. Quite possibly my favorite exchange ever.

What's it like to be such a follower? And so enamored with someone else?
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Old 02-18-2016, 09:40 PM   #29
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You must have missed the walking dead debate. Quite possibly my favorite exchange ever.
You mean the one that started with me showing how there is a popular TV show whose ratings have gone up for the past 5 years, thus making the "TV is dow across the board" excuse quite lame? And then you tried to use only season premieres to prove me wrong hoping everyone else was as braindead as you and would fall for it? And then it ended like this...?

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Walking Dead's ratings have gone up every year over the past 5 seasons despite "TV ratings being down across the board".
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Ah, I see, you wanted to have the debate at the END of Season 5.

If you had said every season was up at THAT point, and I disputed you, you would be right (YAY!!!!)...
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This is why I said to get someone to read the posts to you, Corky.
That debate? You sure you wanna keep drawing attention to that whole debacle, buddy? lol

If only everyone else was as blissfully ignorant as you, you might not come off as such a retard to every other human being here.
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You mean the one that started with me showing how there is a popular TV show whose ratings have gone up for the past 5 years, thus making the "TV is dow across the board" excuse quite lame? And then you tried to use only season premieres to prove me wrong hoping everyone else was as braindead as you and would fall for it? And then it ended like this...?







That debate? You sure you wanna keep drawing attention to that whole debacle, buddy? lol

If only everyone else was as blissfully ignorant as you, you might not come off as such a retard to every other human being here.
You still don't get it eh? Sad.
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Old 02-18-2016, 09:43 PM   #31
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You must have missed the walking dead debate. Quite possibly my favorite exchange ever.

What's it like to be such a follower? And so enamored with someone else?
It's pretty alright.
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Old 02-18-2016, 05:05 PM   #32
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Old 02-19-2016, 06:34 PM   #35
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Old 02-19-2016, 08:07 PM   #36
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Old 02-19-2016, 08:09 PM   #37
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Honestly, who gives a fuck if this thread keeps going? Don't come in here if you don't want to see CyNick get owned.
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Old 02-19-2016, 08:11 PM   #39
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