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Old 05-27-2010, 04:31 PM   #801
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So ECG, what do you want? What sort of missions where you hoping for?
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Old 05-27-2010, 04:32 PM   #802
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Not saying I don't see the comparisons between RDR and GTA either. I just think they did a better job changing time periods and implementing new features than 'those other guys'.
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Old 05-27-2010, 04:34 PM   #803
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Req, fast travel is great I use it a lot but you miss out on helping people to get honor and fame and random bunches of animals. Damned if ya do, damned if ya don't.

ECG - def get what you are saying, just a question. How different did you expect a huge sandbox game by Rockstar to be from GTA? Besides the obvious time setting. I agree it has an enormous amount of gameplay elements that are the same but I can't say I didn't expect them.
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ECG - def get what you are saying, just a question. How different did you expect a huge sandbox game by Rockstar to be from GTA? Besides the obvious time setting. I agree it has an enormous amount of gameplay elements that are the same but I can't say I didn't expect them.
Exactly, it is like complainting that CoD:MW2 has the same gameplay elements of the other Call of Duties. That is the point.
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Old 05-27-2010, 04:43 PM   #805
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Req, fast travel is great I use it a lot but you miss out on helping people to get honor and fame and random bunches of animals. Damned if ya do, damned if ya don't.

ECG - def get what you are saying, just a question. How different did you expect a huge sandbox game by Rockstar to be from GTA? Besides the obvious time setting. I agree it has an enormous amount of gameplay elements that are the same but I can't say I didn't expect them.
It was emphasised in the publicity for the game that it's not just GTA in the Wild West but actually that's exactly what it is.

It would not be a big deal if I didn't find the GTA games increasingly dull as time went on.
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Old 05-27-2010, 04:47 PM   #806
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Exactly, it is like complainting that CoD:MW2 has the same gameplay elements of the other Call of Duties. That is the point.
Nope. If the gameplay is enjoyable then updates to the setting and the presentation are fine, the issue for me is that the GTA mission format was dull, formulaic and therefore so is this.

Multi-player may be great but I haven't really tried it yet.
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Old 05-27-2010, 04:52 PM   #807
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At any point, you can stop doing main missions and go explore, encounter random content, do side missions (of which you'll usually have several going at a time), do gang hideouts, collect pieces for outfits, play minigames, or just wreak havoc if that's what does it for you. Even the main missions can still be done in whatever order you choose up to a certain point. I realize that's similar to GTA, but how can it get less formulaic for you?

Don't see how the series could get any less 'formulaic' than that. Going to go with BDC on this.. what is it that you want that would make it less formulaic? How do you feel it could be improved? Even the mission types were varied enough between assaulting forts, escorting people, having stagecoach chases, holding off trains with a gatlin gun.. etc.. that they never got 'tiring' or boring at all.
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Old 05-27-2010, 04:53 PM   #808
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Old 05-27-2010, 04:55 PM   #809
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Hell, the list of challenges alone is enough to give you a 'purpose' if you want a break from the rest. Free-roam challenges as well are RIDICULOUS. There are so many of them, I'll probably never even complete a third of them.
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Hell, the list of challenges alone is enough to give you a 'purpose' if you want a break from the rest. Free-roam challenges as well are RIDICULOUS. There are so many of them, I'll probably never even complete a third of them.
All it is, is just shooting stuff and riding on a horse, I expected more.[/ECG]
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Old 05-27-2010, 05:04 PM   #811
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So not really your cup of tea?
Yeah basically. GTA peaked with Vice City for me. San Andreas was pretty good too but after I mastered flying in it, I couldn't be bothered. The side stuff got a little ridiculous too, having to exercise and have a girlfriend and that. I was excited for this, but right when I'd expect to be getting more into this game I am starting to get a little bored of it instead. I'll definitely still finish it but I don't see it having much longevity. There's nothing occupying me aside from just doing the main missions.
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Ok, but you do know sandbox games aren't just about missions.
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Old 05-27-2010, 05:11 PM   #813
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Wait...hold on, ECG you said the main missions are boring and formulamatic yet they are the only thing occupying you? I think the problem is you, not the game.
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^Yeah. I'm guessing that has something to do with why my most of my posts went ignored, and why he won't give suggestions of improvement.
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^Yeah. I'm guessing that has something to do with why my most of my posts went ignored, and why he won't give suggestions of improvement.
I replied to nearly all of your posts? I don't see the point in repeating myself, either. I've told you I find the gameplay tired, not sure how many times I need to say it.

I already said I'm not a games designer, it's not my job to improve the game. I've said the GTA format is tired, that implies it doesn't work for me any longer. So an improvement would be a model overhaul. This presentation and design, but with a different gameplay model, would probably make a brilliant game instead of just a fairly impressive, but limited, one. Fundamentally, the gameplay is not fresh and enjoyable and the missions are too samey, too formulaic.

Other things that bother me about the game is the behaviour of the horses: there is a token nod to them being animals with minds of their own but not nearly substantial enough. These things should buck you off if you try to run them through cactuses or at buildings, they shouldn't be able to brake like cars. The main character controls much the same way as in GTA so he feels a little unresponsive and "super-imposed" on the environment rather than being an actual part of it, though I know this is a facet of it being a 3rd person game. It looks very untidy at times and really hasn't changed any over the years. I think 3rd person games work much better as in Uncharted and God of War, where the gameplay follows a fixed layout and they can get the angles right.
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Wait...hold on, ECG you said the main missions are boring and formulamatic yet they are the only thing occupying you? I think the problem is you, not the game.
No, ALL the missions are dull and formulaic. Exploring the world in this game gets old pretty fast, so the only thing keeping me playing it is going through the main storyline.
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You do realize this is a sandbox type game, right? And like all sandbox games, its as fun as your imagination lets it be. Sure, you can do 'missions' and storyline stuff, but its the amount of freedom given to allow you to do so much other random shit.

Look at G's post earlier. There is no 'king of the hill' gametype, but you can damn sure have a king of the hill game if you and your buddies want. Its all about thinking beyond what the game tells you to do.
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ECG, I'd love to know what you were expecting mission wise, or gameplay wise.
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No, ALL the missions are dull and formulaic. Exploring the world in this game gets old pretty fast, so the only thing keeping me playing it is going through the main storyline.
Gotcha, you are a retard.
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"I'm not a game developer" is a terrible excuse.

You're not a politician, but you've sure got opinions on politics and how they should be doing things. So who cares if you're not a game developer? You're a GAMER (for the most part), and gamers should at least know what they like in games and how they think a game could be better.

Honestly, if you didn't have fun defending a moving train from dozens of bad guys, or racing across the countryside in a wagon while groups of people chase you and shoot at you, or assaulting a fort... then well, I fear there is little hope for you and you should just quit playing the game all-together, as its fun is lost on you.
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And yeah, if you thought ALL the missions were 'dull and formulaic', then I'm going with option BDC.
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ECG, I'd love to know what you were expecting mission wise, or gameplay wise.
And this.. still have yet to hear what you expected from this game other than 'not GTA'.
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God, I love the fan boy rage at ECG for stating that he thinks doing the same thing over and over is dull....

He never said it should have been X, or he expected X, just stated a fact that he find the missions lacking. I dont think he was even really "bashing the game". I agree, the Rockstar MO gets old quick, but I still like the games.
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There's no 'fan boy rage'. Nobody has really disagreed that the features are similar to GTA. I think it is just dumb that he complained that the game was just like its predecessor, and cited Fallout 3 as a game he could 'get into' that was better, when that game was a horrible copy of Oblivion in a different time period laid over an existing IP.

It's very hypo-something or another..
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i wouldnt call Fallout 3 horrible. That game was pretty f'n terrific tbh, but i do see your point. Game play wise people expected Fallout 3 to have alot of similarities to Oblivion, just the same, people should expect RDR and GTA to have similar styles.

Lemme put it this way, im not gonna barge in and complain about Halo Reach being similar to Halo 3. I'll leave stupid posts like that to Fallen Angel.
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Also, a second thought: having a change of scenery over core game play mechanics isnt always a bad thing. I wasnt never a big fan of GTA, but with RDR, the climate change does it for me. Just the same, I have Oblivion about 10 hours worth of play and couldnt get into it, but with Fallout 3 i was hooked within 2 hours.
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On another note... still wish hardcore didn't suck. Was really pumped for that when I saw it as a gametype, but it is pretty terrible. Weapons should do WAY more damage, or you should just have WAY less health. Would make it a much better gametype.

Edit: Am getting a lot better at regular gang matches. Yeah, I use normal targeting, but I am understanding more about 'how' to play this game in MP. Gotta be sneakier and can't just run around blasting people like crazy.
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Also, do you only get XP for completing challenges in MP (not free-roam)? If so, that is kind of dumb. You should definitely get XP for killing people or capturing objectives.
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It was emphasised in the publicity for the game that it's not just GTA in the Wild West but actually that's exactly what it is.

It would not be a big deal if I didn't find the GTA games increasingly dull as time went on.
They peaked at San Andreas imo, when you could actually fucking swim.

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Nope. If the gameplay is enjoyable then updates to the setting and the presentation are fine, the issue for me is that the GTA mission format was dull, formulaic and therefore so is this.

Multi-player may be great but I haven't really tried it yet.
Multiplayer is amazing with groups of people when it doesn't lag you out.

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i wouldnt call Fallout 3 horrible. That game was pretty f'n terrific tbh, but i do see your point. Game play wise people expected Fallout 3 to have alot of similarities to Oblivion, just the same, people should expect RDR and GTA to have similar styles.

Lemme put it this way, im not gonna barge in and complain about Halo Reach being similar to Halo 3. I'll leave stupid posts like that to Fallen Angel.
Is Fallout 3 really THAT good?

As for the Halo games, they will be basically the same though you are playing through different parts of the story of Halo not just what feels like Halo 3, with a few new things added.
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They peaked at San Andreas imo, when you could actually fucking swim.



Multiplayer is amazing with groups of people when it doesn't lag you out.



Is Fallout 3 really THAT good?

As for the Halo games, they will be basically the same though you are playing through different parts of the story of Halo not just what feels like Halo 3, with a few new things added.
1) you can swim in GTA4

2) Fallout 3 really is THAT good

3) did you even read any posts? Thats my whole point...the Halo games dont deviate from gameplay much, only storyline. The core mechanics remain the same. The same is said for Fallout/Oblivion, GTA/RDR, etc etc.
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i wouldnt call Fallout 3 horrible. That game was pretty f'n terrific tbh, but i do see your point. Game play wise people expected Fallout 3 to have alot of similarities to Oblivion, just the same, people should expect RDR and GTA to have similar styles.

Lemme put it this way, im not gonna barge in and complain about Halo Reach being similar to Halo 3. I'll leave stupid posts like that to Fallen Angel.
Read what I am saying. I never said games following the same engine were bad per se. Fallout 3 and Oblivion I both thought were great. Both Uncharted games I thought were great. I haven't got God of War 3 yet, but the first two were excellent. It comes down to whether the gameplay has mileage or not over whether I feel I enjoy the game or not.

I had hoped the RDR would not be basically a GTA sequel in a new outfit, given that the publicity expressly stated it would not be. I expected similarities but it's essentially a sequel/prequel whatever.
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no i get what youre saying, and i understand your gripes about it...im simply saying that you couldnt have been THAT shocked that RDR bares a strong similarity to GTA's mechanics.
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There's no 'fan boy rage'. Nobody has really disagreed that the features are similar to GTA. I think it is just dumb that he complained that the game was just like its predecessor, and cited Fallout 3 as a game he could 'get into' that was better, when that game was a horrible copy of Oblivion in a different time period laid over an existing IP.

It's very hypo-something or another..
Don't use the word if you don't know what it means, never mind being able to spell it.

I like the way I get accused of insulting people who disagree with me when you and BDC are actually chucking out insults over an opinion of a fucking game.
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FO3 sucked because of the engine behind the game. The features were fine.. the world was fine. The technical side of the game was a mess, and it made me not want to play the game at all.
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i mean, how far could they deviate from a sandbox style game?
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Don't use the word if you don't know what it means, never mind being able to spell it.

I like the way I get accused of insulting people who disagree with me when you and BDC are actually chucking out insults over an opinion of a fucking game.
I wasn't going to flat out say "You're retarded" until I saw the first line of this quote, but I'm pretty sure you're retarded.
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no i get what youre saying, and i understand your gripes about it...im simply saying that you couldnt have been THAT shocked that RDR bares a strong similarity to GTA's mechanics.
I'm not shocked...I believe the word I used was "disappointed." I'll get over it.

Hoping multi-player might be good but I don't know anyone else who has got it yet.
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I wasn't going to flat out say "You're retarded" until I saw the first line of this quote, but I'm pretty sure you're retarded.
Very good. Go and learn what that word means now.
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1) you can swim in GTA4

2) Fallout 3 really is THAT good

3) did you even read any posts? Thats my whole point...the Halo games dont deviate from gameplay much, only storyline. The core mechanics remain the same. The same is said for Fallout/Oblivion, GTA/RDR, etc etc.
1) What I meant by that is Vice City is a step below because you can't swim and GTA4 is inferior imo, I just had more fun playing San Andreas then 4. Its a good game, just lacks something I can't put my finger on. Car acceleration, braking and cornering annoyed me, that I know.

2) Ill add it to my purchase list.

3) Yeah, I'm agreeing with you...so what's the problem?

As for the comparisons you mentioned, as you know are the same gametypes but have nothing else to do with each other, unlike Halo 3 and Halo: Reach (recommend the book btw)
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Hoping multi-player might be good but I don't know anyone else who has got it yet.
other than 90% of the people who posted in this thread?
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