Official GTA IV Thread - Page 23

**Indifferent Clox** · 05-24-2008, 03:34 AM

Funny things from the game:

"THAT'S SOME VIDEO GAME SHIT!" after a massive car wreck

"The Alien's are preparing the anal probes, THEY ARE AMONG US" while shooting up some people.

**Indifferent Clox** · 05-24-2008, 03:35 AM

Also sold the game today

but I'll get it back if I ever get my motherfucking Live Connection working again.

**Russenmafia** · 05-25-2008, 04:09 PM

Brucie has to be a contender for best GTA character ever. This Vin Diesel lookalike cracks me up and there is always entertainment when he is on "the juice".

**Xero** · 05-25-2008, 04:20 PM

OMFG SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
/FA

**Kane Knight** · 05-25-2008, 04:41 PM

All of a sudden, I can't find any motorcycles.

**Bad Company** · 05-25-2008, 07:50 PM

I have to say, this game has some pretty big flaws. Starting with, the physics are rubbish.
Certainly not the 10/10 everyone makes it out to be.
Bit of fun though, I finished the Final mission last night, now to get stealing cars I guess.

**Kane Knight** · 05-25-2008, 07:56 PM

The game is insanely fun. But yeah, the physics are trash. For a game where you spend so much time in cars, you'd think they'd have a driving engine worth a shit. But still, when you enjoy a game this much, you tend to not mind the flaws. Not a 10 of 10, but I'd say 9 is fair.

What's hilarious, BTW, is that people were wetting themselves over a guy giving the game a 9.2. I haven't seen that much of a fuss over a rating since Army of 2. And this one was over a game getting a 9.2 for fuck's sake.

**Requiem** · 05-25-2008, 08:22 PM

Um.. what? Not really sure how anyone can have complaints about the engine. Yes, driving is more difficult, but it's also more realistic. Once you're used to it, it is way more fun than driving in any previous game. Each vehicle has its own physics, including noticeable suspension differences and weights/handling differences. They might have touched it up a little to lessen the complaints, but it is far from being 'trash'.

The other physics in the game are amazing. The Euphoria engine is a modern piece of technological art. Can't wait to see it expanded on even more and used in more products to be honest.

**Kane Knight** · 05-25-2008, 08:40 PM

LOL. I don't generally play GTA games, so they may have made the driving more realistic. But more realistic doesn't necessarily mean "good," And it sure as fuck doesn't actually translate to "realistic." The stopping alone should be an indication that it's not really realistic.

DS · 05-25-2008, 08:59 PM

I haven't noticed anything wrong with the physics at all.

**Purgatory** · 05-25-2008, 09:00 PM

This is why I've gotten used to driving in 1st person. To me, it's just so much easier control-wise. Otherwise, you have to futz about with camera angles, as it never really seems to be content with pointing in the direction you're driving. The 'Cinematic Camera' is pretty cool as you can toggle between slo-mo and regular at any given time.

Character physics are hilarious, though. I crashed a NRG-900 into the back of a car going a zillion, or so, mph. I flew off the bike and ricochetted off a street light. :-D

Currently, I've got the phone in Sleep Mode so it's not constantly ringing...started to piss me off after awhile. I've decided to find and complete all the Stunt Jumps and locate all the damned pidgeons...which is proving to be a monumentous feat. It's like I'll find them when I'm really not looking, then hear them and take forever to find them.

**Bad Company** · 05-25-2008, 09:09 PM

lol piece of modern technological art.
It's like they designed 5% of the game and filled the rest. Fences shouldn't collapse when I fall into them, and should when I hit them with a truck. This game lacks alot of polish.

Having 20 different cars with different physics is not impessive.

I quite like the driving though, didn't have an issue with that. Except the erratic changing of lanes by the cpu cars when I'm on a mission. That's dodgy as fuck. Go the first person view though!

**Kane Knight** · 05-25-2008, 09:42 PM

Since we're talking about crashing and shit, I had fun with a motorcycle. Roman wanted to go out to eat, so I picked him up on a motorcycle. I was speeding through the heart of the town and whatnot, cruising along on the right side of the road and everything, when BAM! I got whacked by a rescue truck going the wrong way. Head-on, up and killed my ass.

**El Fangel** · 05-25-2008, 09:44 PM

I flipped a car once, not a convertable, and with no windows smashed, and no doors open.

I fell out

**Crimson** · 05-25-2008, 11:01 PM

lol..I love it when online I am fighting with someone and all of a sudden out of nowhere a car smashes the fuck outta me and I go flying. Or vice versa..funny as hell

**El Fangel** · 05-25-2008, 11:06 PM

Get someone to get in a car, drive at a gas station, dive out.

You will love watching this.

**Xero** · 05-25-2008, 11:45 PM

Ever try bailing just as another car is going by?

Epic.

**El Fangel** · 05-25-2008, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xero Limit 126

Ever try bailing just as another car is going by?

Epic.

You mean on your driver side, oh my that would be glorious.

Jumped in frony of an oncoming Turismo at full speed. That was epic.

**Xero** · 05-25-2008, 11:49 PM

I love going to that police station in norther Broker and pushing pedestrians down the stairs.

Also once managed to push someone onto the subway tracks *Just* as a train was coming.

**El Fangel** · 05-26-2008, 12:03 AM

Once was ripping through town on a Zombie, came to the end of the street, and its a no-railing, then 20-30 foot drop to the ground below, once I realize where I am at, I hit the brakes, and slide right to the edge. Front wheel is hanging over.

I went from

to

as the front end started to tip forward.

**Kane Knight** · 05-26-2008, 07:57 AM

Also, stop me if I'm wrong, but Euphoria isn't actually a physics engine, is it? It allows characters to act more real and interact with the environment as an organic character would, but that itself isn't a physics engine, no?

**Bad Company** · 05-26-2008, 08:36 AM

I'm not sure.
This review here sums up alot of my thoughts that I have been having about the game in one nice easy read.
http://www.thegameforum.com/video-ga...t-auto-iv.html

**Kane Knight** · 05-26-2008, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad Company

I'm not sure.
This review here sums up alot of my thoughts that I have been having about the game in one nice easy read.
http://www.thegameforum.com/video-ga...t-auto-iv.html

I agree with quite a few of those, though most of them are minor quibbles at best. The control mapping is kind of retarded, I've gotta say, and complaints about things like cover are legit, but still minor. Especially with cover, where it's about on par with everything that's not Gears of War. The complaints about the voice acting and whatnot, are again par for the course. And is the dialogue flat and to the point or is it overcomplicated and awkward?

Also, no midmission checkpoints can be annoying, especially if it takes you five or more minutes to drive to the locales.

**Boomer** · 05-26-2008, 11:27 AM

I took a cab to nearly every mission I was allowed to. I got pretty sick of the drives around town by the end of the game.

Still enjoyed it immensely. One of those games I can imagine myself picking back up again to do the extra stuff at some point...but not now.

**Kane Knight** · 05-26-2008, 04:13 PM

And if they all allowed cabs, that would almost make up for the lack of checkpoints and shit.

Also, another little bit that bugs me. Sometimes, I'm in the middle of nowhere and I kill someone, and the cops are on me in seconds. In one of the missions, where I'm asked to snipe the guys at the Construction site, I took one of them out, and the cops were able to poinpoint where the shot had come from in like ten seconds. These are the same cops who can't find me if I duck into an alley slightly away from a crime scene, but they can poinpoint a sniper shot in seconds.

Granted, this is a flaw with damned near EVERY GAME in the genre. Hard to really single this game out for doing it.

**Purgatory** · 05-26-2008, 05:25 PM

Yeah, the cops just appearing out of nowhere really irritates me too. Especially, if you accidentally fire off, there's noone around, but they automatically pinpoint you. They should just have had them report to the crime scene and only go after you if you're still there...which you shouldn't be.

Also, shooting inside your apartment...I understand they take into account that some neighbor heard the shot. HOWEVER, you exit the building and they automatically know it was you. It's actually hilarious at the same time, but still. They're easy enough to outrun as long as you're constantly changing vehicles and they don't see you doing it.

**Requiem** · 05-26-2008, 05:57 PM

Did a quick bit of research cause I was curious. RAGE is their self developed graphics engine, and Euphoria is the physics/animation engine.

**Kane Knight** · 05-26-2008, 06:03 PM

It's manageable. It's just occasionally enough of an inconvenience to piss me off. Like once in a while when I'm on a "date" or meeting up with a friend to up my approval with him and something happens. Now I'm on the run with an actual deadline. Or in a mission. Like with the sniper mission (Or rather, the mission with a sniping part) I mentioned before, you get swarmed by the cops by the time you get back to the ground.

And with sniping, I really think the bullseye should be focused on the victim, not the shooter. I mean, if you're actually discrete. Obviously, if you pull out your sniper rifle in the middle of the Exchange and plug someone just down the street, then for God's sake, you should be busted. But if you're doing it stealthily and carefully (Not to mention, remotely), the only immediate sign should be that someone was dropped.

**Kane Knight** · 05-26-2008, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Requiem

Did a quick bit of research cause I was curious. RAGE is their self developed graphics engine, and Euphoria is the physics/animation engine.

Q: Is euphoria a physics engine?
A: No, euphoria is not a physics engine. euphoria simulates the human (or animal) motor nervous system on Xbox 360, PLAYSTATION 3 and PC. One can think of it as biology meeting robot control theory. euphoria integrates with a game's existing physics engine, which provides the basic body physics (commonly known as 'ragdoll physics'). euphoria adds life to the dead physics simulation. In short, ragdolls are dead, floppy bodies. euphoria characters instead are alive and adaptive.

From the developer's site.

**Russenmafia** · 05-26-2008, 06:39 PM

What is everybodies favourite radio station?

JNR for me, love the old Jazz stuff on that station.

**The Fugitive** · 05-26-2008, 07:16 PM

Varies on my mood. Either Intergrity 2.0, Liberty Rock Radio or The Journey.

**IC Champion** · 05-26-2008, 07:31 PM

Liberty Rock, The Vibe.

**Xero** · 05-26-2008, 07:53 PM

There's really only two stations I don't listen to. Everything else I'll just leave on most of the time.

As for my favorites, ditto to IC's.

**IC Champion** · 05-26-2008, 07:56 PM

I love the Barry White song on the Vibe, such sweet baby making music.

**IC Champion** · 05-26-2008, 07:57 PM

I also love how Weasel News is a parody of arch-conservatives.

**Kane Knight** · 05-26-2008, 08:15 PM

Liberty Rock.

**OssMan** · 05-26-2008, 08:52 PM

I always listen to Liberty Rock to hear them play 1979. But sometimes I do a driveby and play CLASSICS

**Purgatory** · 05-26-2008, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kane Knight

Q: Is euphoria a physics engine?
A: No, euphoria is not a physics engine. euphoria simulates the human (or animal) motor nervous system on Xbox 360, PLAYSTATION 3 and PC. One can think of it as biology meeting robot control theory. euphoria integrates with a game's existing physics engine, which provides the basic body physics (commonly known as 'ragdoll physics'). euphoria adds life to the dead physics simulation. In short, ragdolls are dead, floppy bodies. euphoria characters instead are alive and adaptive.

From the developer's site.

Yeah, there's a roagdoll physics emulation program called Endorphin, which was used in part as well. It's one of the other tools, along with Euphoria, that falls under Natural Motion. I had a demo for it, which I found pretty cool...considering I could ever actually figure out how to use it fully. It came with some sample scenes you could manipulate, but I never really figured out how to create my own scenes. I've seen some make wrestling vids on Youtube using it, though.

**The Genius** · 05-26-2008, 11:40 PM

anyone get dumped by carmen? i scared her with my crazy driving on a date and the next day she dumped me. i tried going back online to get a date with her but no luck. i really wanted to get that special perk with her. at least i got the star removal from kiki.

**The Genius** · 05-27-2008, 03:30 AM

nevermind, just went out and did a few missions. came back to my laptop and found her available on the dating site again.

05-26-2008, 12:03 AM	#900
El Fangel ELF ANGEL Posts: 39,476	Once was ripping through town on a Zombie, came to the end of the street, and its a no-railing, then 20-30 foot drop to the ground below, once I realize where I am at, I hit the brakes, and slide right to the edge. Front wheel is hanging over. I went from to to as the front end started to tip forward.

05-24-2008, 03:34 AM	#881
Indifferent Clox emerge Posts: 16,710	Funny things from the game: "THAT'S SOME VIDEO GAME SHIT!" after a massive car wreck "The Alien's are preparing the anal probes, THEY ARE AMONG US" while shooting up some people.

05-24-2008, 03:35 AM	#882
Indifferent Clox emerge Posts: 16,710	Also sold the game today but I'll get it back if I ever get my motherfucking Live Connection working again.

05-25-2008, 04:09 PM	#883
Russenmafia Scottish Champions 2009 Posts: 744	Brucie has to be a contender for best GTA character ever. This Vin Diesel lookalike cracks me up and there is always entertainment when he is on "the juice".

05-25-2008, 04:20 PM	#884
Xero He's Here Posts: 60,735	OMFG SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! /FA

05-25-2008, 04:41 PM	#885
Kane Knight Ron Paul 4 EVA Posts: 152,467	All of a sudden, I can't find any motorcycles.

05-25-2008, 07:50 PM	#886
Bad Company Mad Posts: 26,228	I have to say, this game has some pretty big flaws. Starting with, the physics are rubbish. Certainly not the 10/10 everyone makes it out to be. Bit of fun though, I finished the Final mission last night, now to get stealing cars I guess.

05-25-2008, 07:56 PM	#887
Kane Knight Ron Paul 4 EVA Posts: 152,467	The game is insanely fun. But yeah, the physics are trash. For a game where you spend so much time in cars, you'd think they'd have a driving engine worth a shit. But still, when you enjoy a game this much, you tend to not mind the flaws. Not a 10 of 10, but I'd say 9 is fair. What's hilarious, BTW, is that people were wetting themselves over a guy giving the game a 9.2. I haven't seen that much of a fuss over a rating since Army of 2. And this one was over a game getting a 9.2 for fuck's sake.

05-25-2008, 08:22 PM	#888
Requiem Posts: 19,301	Um.. what? Not really sure how anyone can have complaints about the engine. Yes, driving is more difficult, but it's also more realistic. Once you're used to it, it is way more fun than driving in any previous game. Each vehicle has its own physics, including noticeable suspension differences and weights/handling differences. They might have touched it up a little to lessen the complaints, but it is far from being 'trash'. The other physics in the game are amazing. The Euphoria engine is a modern piece of technological art. Can't wait to see it expanded on even more and used in more products to be honest.

05-25-2008, 08:40 PM	#889
Kane Knight Ron Paul 4 EVA Posts: 152,467	LOL. I don't generally play GTA games, so they may have made the driving more realistic. But more realistic doesn't necessarily mean "good," And it sure as fuck doesn't actually translate to "realistic." The stopping alone should be an indication that it's not really realistic.

05-25-2008, 08:59 PM	#890
DS look at that hat Posts: 4,520	I haven't noticed anything wrong with the physics at all.

05-25-2008, 09:00 PM	#891
Purgatory You're Welcome. Posts: 7,242	This is why I've gotten used to driving in 1st person. To me, it's just so much easier control-wise. Otherwise, you have to futz about with camera angles, as it never really seems to be content with pointing in the direction you're driving. The 'Cinematic Camera' is pretty cool as you can toggle between slo-mo and regular at any given time. Character physics are hilarious, though. I crashed a NRG-900 into the back of a car going a zillion, or so, mph. I flew off the bike and ricochetted off a street light. :-D Currently, I've got the phone in Sleep Mode so it's not constantly ringing...started to piss me off after awhile. I've decided to find and complete all the Stunt Jumps and locate all the damned pidgeons...which is proving to be a monumentous feat. It's like I'll find them when I'm really not looking, then hear them and take forever to find them.

05-25-2008, 09:09 PM	#892
Bad Company Mad Posts: 26,228	lol piece of modern technological art. It's like they designed 5% of the game and filled the rest. Fences shouldn't collapse when I fall into them, and should when I hit them with a truck. This game lacks alot of polish. Having 20 different cars with different physics is not impessive. I quite like the driving though, didn't have an issue with that. Except the erratic changing of lanes by the cpu cars when I'm on a mission. That's dodgy as fuck. Go the first person view though!

05-25-2008, 09:42 PM	#893
Kane Knight Ron Paul 4 EVA Posts: 152,467	Since we're talking about crashing and shit, I had fun with a motorcycle. Roman wanted to go out to eat, so I picked him up on a motorcycle. I was speeding through the heart of the town and whatnot, cruising along on the right side of the road and everything, when BAM! I got whacked by a rescue truck going the wrong way. Head-on, up and killed my ass.

05-25-2008, 09:44 PM	#894
El Fangel ELF ANGEL Posts: 39,476	I flipped a car once, not a convertable, and with no windows smashed, and no doors open. I fell out

05-25-2008, 11:01 PM	#895
Crimson Posts: 6,108	lol..I love it when online I am fighting with someone and all of a sudden out of nowhere a car smashes the fuck outta me and I go flying. Or vice versa..funny as hell

05-25-2008, 11:06 PM	#896
El Fangel ELF ANGEL Posts: 39,476	Get someone to get in a car, drive at a gas station, dive out. You will love watching this.

05-25-2008, 11:45 PM	#897
Xero He's Here Posts: 60,735	Ever try bailing just as another car is going by? Epic.

05-25-2008, 11:49 PM	#899
Xero He's Here Posts: 60,735	I love going to that police station in norther Broker and pushing pedestrians down the stairs. Also once managed to push someone onto the subway tracks Just as a train was coming.

05-26-2008, 07:57 AM	#901
Kane Knight Ron Paul 4 EVA Posts: 152,467	Also, stop me if I'm wrong, but Euphoria isn't actually a physics engine, is it? It allows characters to act more real and interact with the environment as an organic character would, but that itself isn't a physics engine, no?

05-26-2008, 08:36 AM	#902
Bad Company Mad Posts: 26,228	I'm not sure. This review here sums up alot of my thoughts that I have been having about the game in one nice easy read. http://www.thegameforum.com/video-ga...t-auto-iv.html

05-26-2008, 11:27 AM	#904
Boomer The Wretched Posts: 4,690	I took a cab to nearly every mission I was allowed to. I got pretty sick of the drives around town by the end of the game. Still enjoyed it immensely. One of those games I can imagine myself picking back up again to do the extra stuff at some point...but not now.

05-26-2008, 04:13 PM	#905
Kane Knight Ron Paul 4 EVA Posts: 152,467	And if they all allowed cabs, that would almost make up for the lack of checkpoints and shit. Also, another little bit that bugs me. Sometimes, I'm in the middle of nowhere and I kill someone, and the cops are on me in seconds. In one of the missions, where I'm asked to snipe the guys at the Construction site, I took one of them out, and the cops were able to poinpoint where the shot had come from in like ten seconds. These are the same cops who can't find me if I duck into an alley slightly away from a crime scene, but they can poinpoint a sniper shot in seconds. Granted, this is a flaw with damned near EVERY GAME in the genre. Hard to really single this game out for doing it.

05-26-2008, 05:25 PM	#906
Purgatory You're Welcome. Posts: 7,242	Yeah, the cops just appearing out of nowhere really irritates me too. Especially, if you accidentally fire off, there's noone around, but they automatically pinpoint you. They should just have had them report to the crime scene and only go after you if you're still there...which you shouldn't be. Also, shooting inside your apartment...I understand they take into account that some neighbor heard the shot. HOWEVER, you exit the building and they automatically know it was you. It's actually hilarious at the same time, but still. They're easy enough to outrun as long as you're constantly changing vehicles and they don't see you doing it.

05-26-2008, 05:57 PM	#907
Requiem Posts: 19,301	Did a quick bit of research cause I was curious. RAGE is their self developed graphics engine, and Euphoria is the physics/animation engine.

05-26-2008, 06:03 PM	#908
Kane Knight Ron Paul 4 EVA Posts: 152,467	It's manageable. It's just occasionally enough of an inconvenience to piss me off. Like once in a while when I'm on a "date" or meeting up with a friend to up my approval with him and something happens. Now I'm on the run with an actual deadline. Or in a mission. Like with the sniper mission (Or rather, the mission with a sniping part) I mentioned before, you get swarmed by the cops by the time you get back to the ground. And with sniping, I really think the bullseye should be focused on the victim, not the shooter. I mean, if you're actually discrete. Obviously, if you pull out your sniper rifle in the middle of the Exchange and plug someone just down the street, then for God's sake, you should be busted. But if you're doing it stealthily and carefully (Not to mention, remotely), the only immediate sign should be that someone was dropped.

05-26-2008, 06:39 PM	#910
Russenmafia Scottish Champions 2009 Posts: 744	What is everybodies favourite radio station? JNR for me, love the old Jazz stuff on that station.

05-26-2008, 07:16 PM	#911
The Fugitive Posts: 1,907	Varies on my mood. Either Intergrity 2.0, Liberty Rock Radio or The Journey.

05-26-2008, 07:31 PM	#912
IC Champion They/Them Posts: 15,331	Liberty Rock, The Vibe.

05-26-2008, 07:53 PM	#913
Xero He's Here Posts: 60,735	There's really only two stations I don't listen to. Everything else I'll just leave on most of the time. As for my favorites, ditto to IC's.

05-26-2008, 07:56 PM	#914
IC Champion They/Them Posts: 15,331	I love the Barry White song on the Vibe, such sweet baby making music.