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Old 01-25-2016, 10:56 AM   #1001
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Really enjoyed the show.

-LMS was awesome. Both guys looked good, and a shove off the top rope spot doesn't hurt Owens at all. Liking Dean as IC champ as well

-Tag Titles was typical, good stuff with a sweet finish

-Kalisto winning back the title made me happy. Now let's hope they get this guy on a roll and get em over.

-Divas overall were great. Everything worked for me. Loved the Banks return. A WM Divas match being foreshadowed at the Rumble? Think it's been about 15 years since that happened

-Rumble was a huge improvement over the 2 previous years, but that's not saying much

.WOW seeing Styles was fun; encouraging debut

.Roman again was failed by creative. Walking out on his own. Really? Consciously walking away from a fight with your title on the line as a top babyface? Bad

.Lesnar/Wyatt has me interested, but Brock not snapping after his bullshit elimination made zero sense. It's like someone wrote that without taking into effect how awkward it would be to see Brock just disappear without a rebuttal. Head scratcher

.Vito hit the nail on the head. Can the fucking commentators try and get Triple H over as a power hungry asshole? Brutal. He was booked as a babyface last night in almost every way.

.Dean making the final 2 was great, but he was used. If Triple H dumps Reigns to win, Hunter gets cheered. If he dumps the guy who is more over, he gets boo'd. It was smart in a way, but a little sad at the same time.

Anyway, fun show, really enjoyed it, but the WWE's attention to detail is non-existant
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Old 01-25-2016, 10:57 AM   #1002
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I avoided reading boards, armchair booking threads and anything else leading up to the Royal Rumble. So HHH at #30 wasn't ruined for me. So I'll be playing the role of Mark in this thread. I enjoyed the Rumble. I also feel that HHH put himself over way to clean I still think the match and ending was the right way to go. With all the injuries, the WWE's hand was somewhat forced to that big WM main event match started.

And the undercard? Fuggetaboutit. Rumble undercards, historically (overall) are pretty lame. Every match had purpose and went from insane spots to just pure enjoyment. Which, in essence, is what a PPV should be. All killer no filler.

I will say that I hated all the video packages and commercials. There was 3/4 between the Divas match and the Rumble alone. We get it, new shows are coming ...fuck.

Also hate how they treated some of the guys in the Rumble (swagger)....but overall the "good" guys got plenty of time in the ring. And Kevin Owens' faces were priceless during the Rumble.

This was also my kids first "stay up with dad" live PPV experience...All thanks to the snowstorm that cancelled school for today. He had a BLAST and went apeshit when KO went through the double table spot.

9/10 is my rating. Fun night not ruined by over-thinking the booking decisions of certain aspects.
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Old 01-25-2016, 11:03 AM   #1003
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Also the "0-100" selling worked for HBK 20 years ago, but Reigns trying to pull it off as a 280 lber in 2016 is just ridiculous. Can Roman just sell a previous beatdown during his comeback? Where's the middle ground?
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sorry, TPWW has reached it's PPV quota for people that were entertained by the fun wrestling show in spite of the booking discrepancies or not liking the person that won. We're going to need you to make your posts a bit more negative.

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nobody really sells any more, it's a week in, week out thing
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well, it's a pro wrestling in general in 2016 thing tbh
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Undercard was solid and enjoyable. Seems like everyone enjoyed the Rumble match, but I found it incredibly boring.

I have no interest in seeing Roman Reigns vs Fat Triple H at Wrestlemania. As much as I love Chris Jericho, fat Chris Jericho vs Dean Ambrose doesn't sound very appealing for Wrestlemania (see ABT's "Fuck Off Chris Jericho" thread).

AJ Styles debuting was awesome. His performance itself was quite underwhelming, but the fact he was there and debuted in the Rumble match for a solid half hour was pretty awesome.
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I was kinda shocked Owens came out selling the last man standing match still.
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Old 01-25-2016, 12:21 PM   #1008
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Really should have went with Bray or Dean winning the belt.
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Old 01-25-2016, 12:27 PM   #1009
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So, at this point, is R-Truth more or less functionally retarded than the Eugene character? Not a complaint, because I enjoy his act, but it's just so weird.
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Old 01-25-2016, 01:05 PM   #1010
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Braun Strowman is going to be around a long, long time if he avoids injuries. I'm always impressed with the Wyatts, Harper always impresses the shit out of me.

I kind of groaned with Bray was eliminated, guess the Wyatts got over with me during the match.
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Old 01-25-2016, 01:08 PM   #1011
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I enjoyed the show, I just really have no interest in most of the big matches that appear to be on the offing for WM. Just not my tastes.

Undercard should be shit hot in terms of match quality but with WWE's penchant for stop-start, 50/50 booking in the midcard I'm skeptical as to how much anything that happens in those matches will actually mean.
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Old 01-25-2016, 01:49 PM   #1012
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Pretty much exactly how I feel. I didn't really have any problems with the show itself as a standalone PPV. It's what it sets up for what's intended to be such a huge WrestleMania that's the problem.
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Old 01-25-2016, 01:56 PM   #1013
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It comes down to Vince's reliance on his comfort zones. He gets very scared of what is new and any bump in the road means we have to go back to status quo.

HHH on top is something which is familiar and something he knows he can lean on. Unfortunately, we've all seen it before. I mean I get what they are trying to do, and the finish was hot, but it is a little disheartening and completely unfresh.
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Old 01-25-2016, 03:11 PM   #1014
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If they put the title on anyone other than Roman/HHH/Brock everyone would be in here complaining that the new champ shouldn't have been crowned until WM to build him up as a credible champ and give him his "moment"

That's ignoring that, if the card shakes out like it seems, HHH/Reigns needs the title involved to add fuel to the story. Brock doesn't need it and neither will whomever he faces at WM.
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I don't think so Frank.
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Yeah I disagree with that totally. Triple H coming in at #30, sicking the League of Nations on Roman and throwing him out of the Rumble could have been a "oh shit, this is personal" moment. Could have easily bought into them having a blood feud culminating in a match at Mania (likely a street fight, as Noid suggested).

Lesnar got pretty well fucked over by the Wyatt Family in the Rumble. Lesnar tearing through the Family to get to Bray to try to win back the title he never lost sounds a lot more interesting to me than Lesnar vs. Bray because of reasons.

Then you can use both guys' momentum coming out of the Rumble to do Reigns/Lesnar 2 at SummerSlam, and give Reigns his moment there.
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Or maybe we can just pull the plug on Reigns?
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If they put the title on anyone other than Roman/HHH/Brock everyone would be in here complaining that the new champ shouldn't have been crowned until WM to build him up as a credible champ and give him his "moment"

That's ignoring that, if the card shakes out like it seems, HHH/Reigns needs the title involved to add fuel to the story. Brock doesn't need it and neither will whomever he faces at WM.
Not too sure about any of that.
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Gotta ignore 47% of what Frankie D. says anymore.

He is getting old and wants kids to get off his lawn and #shutitdown
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Reigns vs HHH is a 50/50 match in terms of whether it will be successful. You never know how the crowd is going to react to either guy.
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Meh, could take it or leave it.
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I don't think it will be 50/50; 25% for a mania crowd. 0% chance at a post mania crowd...... Samoa Joe has a better chance of beating Scott Steiner.
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Mania crowds and post Mania crowds are completely different, I'm sure they'll be just fine, especially once Rock gets involved
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I don't think it will be 50/50; 25% for a mania crowd. 0% chance at a post mania crowd...... Samoa Joe has a better chance of beating Scott Steiner.
Yup, numbers don't lie, and they spell disaster for Roman
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Yeah I disagree with that totally. Triple H coming in at #30, sicking the League of Nations on Roman and throwing him out of the Rumble could have been a "oh shit, this is personal" moment. Could have easily bought into them having a blood feud culminating in a match at Mania (likely a street fight, as Noid suggested).

Lesnar got pretty well fucked over by the Wyatt Family in the Rumble. Lesnar tearing through the Family to get to Bray to try to win back the title he never lost sounds a lot more interesting to me than Lesnar vs. Bray because of reasons.

Then you can use both guys' momentum coming out of the Rumble to do Reigns/Lesnar 2 at SummerSlam, and give Reigns his moment there.
They're trying to build up Reigns. Having him get jumped and unceremoniously tossed hinders that. Not saying having him leave and come back was a good choice, but if you've chosen to run with him you can't make him an afterthought and you can't have the rumble end that way either.

Lesnar can chase the title at any time. Doesn't have to be now. In fact, he needs to be given the Cena treatment and stay away from the title picture for as long as possible. He doesn't need Bray holding the title to have a reason to tear through them.
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Alright my two cents on the PPV:

1) Given that neither Henry, nor Swagger spent anymore than 30 seconds in the Royal Rumble match, what was the fucking point of having them win the kick off show match when you could have taken along two more NXT guys who would actually get a reaction (Gable and Corbin if you're asking who I would have put in)

2) Great LMS match between Ambrose and Owens. Owens is one of the best in the business and Ambrose really stepped it up in terms of his performance. I've found some of his in-ring work a little stale since his feud with Rollins but since the World title tournament and becoming IC champ, he's reached the standards he set before.

3) Decent tag team match with an impressive finish from Big E. That was Brock Lesnar style strength in catching Uso (Jimmy or Jey)

4) Kalisto got a big opportunity and I thought he Sin Cara'ed it. Quite a few botches but they got through the match. Somewhat worryingly ADR and Kalisto don't have much chemistry. I know this is classic 50/50 booking but depending on what Kevin Owens' plans for Wrestlemania are, I would not be adverse to ADR winning the title back and then having a match with AJ Styles at Wrestlemania.

5) I kind of switched off for the Diva's match. Mega to see Sasha Banks return and hopefully this builds to a Triple Threat at Wrestlemania, Banks winning the title, ditching the Diva's title for the Women's title, going through the competition until Summerslam time when Bayley debuts.

6) The Rumble match itself:

Now battle royales or rumble matches are usually quite shit. I thought this one was quite well put together and allowed a lot of guys to get their spots in.

Now maybe I am swimming against the tide by trying to apply logic to a wrestling match but I have a number of issues with it. Firstly the booking of Roman Reigns - so the LoN drag him out and beat the hell out of him, leaving him at ringside (which is bizarre given they could have taken him back into the ring, then thrown him out apparently). Reigns decides that he does not require a stretcher but instead, as the heroic babyface, voluntarily walks to the back, presumably for a cup of tea and a chance to de-frizz his hair. Meanwhile the nasty villain Kevin Owens valiantly drags half his carcass to the ring after a brutal Last Man Standing match. Reigns then appears at the end of the match, avoiding the Wyatts and Brock Lesnar, feeling no ill effects from the brutal beating 20 minutes earlier. The fuck?

Speaking of the Wyatts and Lesnar, if eliminated parties can come back in and get involved, why did Lesnar not just jump back in and kill Bray Wyatt?

HHH winning was as predictable as...well Reigns winning last year or Bootista winning two years ago. And in that one action, it sums the WWE perfectly. If they want HHH vs Reigns at WM, it doesn't need the title involved. He could easily have eliminated Reigns and then fallen to Dean Ambrose and just like that the place would have exploded and a new star would have been born. Given Owens the IC title, then Ambrose manages to overcome the odds of beating HHH in the Rumble. Then Owens can wrestle Zayn, AJ, Neville, etc while Ambrose can be the underdog Champion Daniel Bryan didn't have the chance to be because of injury. But instead a part-timer from the Attitude Era of course comes out on top.

I don't really know where things are going to go tonight because I can't believe they're actually going to go into, what they want to be, the biggest WM of all time with Reigns vs HHH for the title as the main event but what last night did show is that despite all the injuries and absentees, the WWE still has an incredible roster but it also has a lot of dead weight and that's principally because of the 50/50 booking they love so much.

Despite all that I actually thought it was a decent PPV, let down by some poor choices in the main event but the bastards have got me intrigued as to what they're going to do tonight.
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I think having Roman be in the rumble the whole time and "battling" and showing his grit would have won the crowd over a bit more than him leaving for 40 minutes.
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And Kevin Dunn or whoever was in charge of the production last night had fucking disaster. When "I Am Phenomenal" came up on the Titan Tron that should have been akin to "Jericho" in 1999. Instead they spent the entire time looking at Roman's gormless face, wondering what the hell that cheering noise what the crowd is making.
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I think having Roman be in the rumble the whole time and "battling" and showing his grit would have won the crowd over a bit more than him leaving for 40 minutes.
It runs the risk of overexposing him though. This whole angle is too big for what they are trying to achieve with the guy.
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They really should have just turned Roman heel at Survivor Series and had Brock win this year's Rumble. Oh well.
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It runs the risk of overexposing him though. This whole angle is too big for what they are trying to achieve with the guy.
Yes because the one thing the WWE has nailed over the last two years, it's definitely not overexposing Roman Reigns.

The problem is that the guy is not connecting with the audience. They have spent the last month trying to make him as sympathetic as possible and yet the crowd still cheered when he got thrown out by HHH of all people.

He is not the performer they want him to be, no matter how much they make it clear that he's the chosen one.
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I agree, but I think having him "work" the entire match would have made people groan too. It was a can't-win situation.
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I agree, but I think having him "work" the entire match would have made people groan too. It was a can't-win situation.
Then have him carried out on a stretcher. Or at least sell the beat down when you come back from your little nap.
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It's not difficult - Jesus just watch the 1999 Rumble since that's the angle we're basically repeating.
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I think having Roman be in the rumble the whole time and "battling" and showing his grit would have won the crowd over a bit more than him leaving for 40 minutes.
Feels like if the WWE wasn't confident of him pulling an "ironman" moment with the Rumble, they should have at least had the League interfere a lot earlier and do better with creating the doubt of his return.

Him shrugging off the stretch and later returning as if nothing happened really soured the mini-story they were trying to tell with the League's beatdown.

They were trying to do too many things for Reigns to prevent another major backlash and none really came off well during the Rumble.
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Feels like if the WWE wasn't confident of him pulling an "ironman" moment with the Rumble, they should have at least had the League interfere a lot earlier and do better with creating the doubt of his return.

Him shrugging off the stretch and later returning as if nothing happened really soured the mini-story they were trying to tell with the League's beatdown.

They were trying to do too many things for Reigns to prevent another major backlash and none really came off well during the Rumble.
And that injury mid match angle has been done to death and it takes away any heat or sympathy Roman could have had. It just reminds everyone how fake wrestling is because this shit happens. Yes, we all know wrestling is fake, so are movies, but we appreciate when stuff is original.


In saying that, I thought Roman had a good performance. He reacted well to HHH eliminating him and his intensity is there. He works hard, he's a good performer and is constantly improving from what I can tell (I don't watch too much) but he is let down by shoddy "writing", "scripting" and what have you and is completely and utterly mis cast.

He is a badass niche character who should speak very little and do violent things to people. It doesn't need to be so apparent that he is the future face of the company. It's easy for the public to sour on someone who is mis cast as such and there are VERY few who can deal with the hand Roman has been dealt.
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They're trying to build up Reigns. Having him get jumped and unceremoniously tossed hinders that. Not saying having him leave and come back was a good choice, but if you've chosen to run with him you can't make him an afterthought and you can't have the rumble end that way either.

Lesnar can chase the title at any time. Doesn't have to be now. In fact, he needs to be given the Cena treatment and stay away from the title picture for as long as possible. He doesn't need Bray holding the title to have a reason to tear through them.
I don't think having Reigns jumped and eliminated would have hindered him. Maybe this particular smark-heavy crowd would have cheered for it, but the story would make sense. As it is now, he didn't even get screwed for the belt. He lost fair and square. Had he been screwed for the belt, he'd have even more of a reason to want to tear Triple H a new asshole.

Then he gets a rematch against Bray at Fastlane. Reigns gets screwed again (possibly thwarting Wyatt Family interference but then Triple H intervenes to ruin his life again). Reigns and Triple H then have a genuine blood feud that makes perfect sense. Lesnar meanwhile turns up the next night on Raw to reignite the Wyatt feud.

I just feel that would be more compelling. Just my 2 cents though.
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Yes because the one thing the WWE has nailed over the last two years, it's definitely not overexposing Roman Reigns.

The problem is that the guy is not connecting with the audience. They have spent the last month trying to make him as sympathetic as possible and yet the crowd still cheered when he got thrown out by HHH of all people.

He is not the performer they want him to be, no matter how much they make it clear that he's the chosen one.
Can't believe nothing has changed in a year of not watching
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I don't mind the Trips outcome because it made sense but at some point they should stop relying on safe booking decisions. That's why everybody crucified Sheamus. It was just a safe boring decision which will probably lead to a safe boring WM main event.
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