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Old 03-14-2011, 03:19 AM   #81
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Might want to find yourself several grains of salt to take that "news" with.
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Old 03-14-2011, 03:21 AM   #82
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I don't believe even TNA is stupid enough to do something like that on purpose. Hardy is a piece of shit, and honest to god, I was waiting for this to happen. In my mind it was inevitable.

TNA is however stupid enough to just send the fans home with nothing, and not even add a last minute replacement.
Yeah, have Anderson attack Hardy in a rage or something so Hogan/Bischoff replace him with Jeff Jarrett or somebody else from Immortal. Proceed with something.

Also, somebody mentioned this was his 2nd time being in a "questionable state of mind to perform". What was the other time?
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Old 03-14-2011, 03:22 AM   #83
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He was fucked up for the TokyoDome show? Wow...never heard that before.
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He's fucking trash.

Hope this is the last match of his career.
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Forgot that TNA had a ppv Sunday and just saw the main event clip posted earlier.

Kind of sad that the Bischoff-Sting encounter lasted almost as long as the main event match itself.

I doubt Dixie Carter is going to do anything for changes unless Panda Energy or Spike get involved to fix that mess. One report had her speaking to everyone in the lockeroom after the show and everyone was furious afterwards not believing anything will change.
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He was fucked up for the TokyoDome show? Wow...never heard that before.
That's the date that's picking up steam on the good old internet, so take that for whatever it's worth.
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Call me morbid, but I'm calling it: Jeff Hardy Deathwatch begins now.
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I said the same thing to a mate a few hours ago.
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This is so fucking pathetic. That TNA couldn't work around Jeff Hardy being a fucking mess is ridiculous. They could have just fired the cunt and had Anderson vs. RVD lead into a main event title shot that night. Or given Samoa Joe, Kurt Angle or D'Angelo Dinero or put AJ Styles and Matt Hardy in the main event slot with Sting added.

Fuck TNA. They have no clue what the fuck they are doing. Part of me wouldn't be surprised if someone like Eric Bischoff or Vince Russo thought that having Jeff go out there fucked up would have gotten them "Charlie Sheen" like attention. Fuck them. TNA needs to change. They are even starting to piss off the fucking mutants who think their shit is good.

I feel like TNA actually have to apologise to me, and I didn't even watch the fucking show.
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Have any of you even watched the video of it? Do you honestly think that even TNA would let an apparently impaired wrestler go out in front of a live crowd on PPV for a main event, no matter what the planned outcome is? Especially with somebody with the status and a history of speaking up like Sting? I'd be very surprised given the storyline surrounding the title lately if this anything other than 'The Network' making sure Hardy doesn't get the belt given his current legal status, all of their 'decisions' have been 'acted on' by Bischoff. Not to mention Sting talking on Impact about how much he respects Hardy and hinting that Hardy will 'see the light' at some point. I do enjoy how quick people are to jump on Hardy however, especially given TNA and Russo's history of questionable booking. But why does that not surprise me.
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Although I will say that if Hardy was anything close to being 'impaired' and they still sent him out for that finish to a PPV, they deserve every bit of the shit storm that comes their way. Fuck, TNA deserve some stick from those that actually paid for it for having that as the main event anyway. But the whole thing screams work, Bischoff's music playing for his entrance after Sting and Hardy had made their entrances, Bischoff being laid out by Sting, all of the references to the storyline, the fact Hardy was on the PPV in the first place and so on. If Hardy was out of his tree, fair enough, they need to get him off TV and get him clean or let him go. But nobody will know until they either release some kind of news or until they tape TV and I'm guessing it'll be the latter. And you'll probably watch or read the results somehow to find out.
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TNA does need to apologize. This is actually a big deal.

They endangered Sting, Bischoff and the Ref by letting them go out there with Hardy. Had Sting not been the skeptic he is, telling everyone he won't work a match if Hardy is fucked up, things could be much worse.

Jeff disrespected the business, the boys in the locker room, and all of the fans by going out the way he did.

TNA disrespected Sting by not arranging something to fix the situation. You have a shit ton of Road Agents and Producers and NONE OF THEM had the balls to pull hardy and call an audible? That's bullshit. Spike TV is going to be pissed tomorrow, and it's going to be Dixie and TNA exes left holding the bag.

TNA owes Sting and all of it's fans an apology. Hardy has to be suspended/fired, and they need to publicly acknowledge that Jeff made a huge mistake and also take accountability for letting him enter that ring.
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Lol, horrible work. Just had to watch it to actually believe the outrage.

Even if Hardy was legit smashed, they probably told him to. Fucking awful.
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Have any of you even watched the video of it? Do you honestly think that even TNA would let an apparently impaired wrestler go out in front of a live crowd on PPV for a main event, no matter what the planned outcome is? Especially with somebody with the status and a history of speaking up like Sting? I'd be very surprised given the storyline surrounding the title lately if this anything other than 'The Network' making sure Hardy doesn't get the belt given his current legal status, all of their 'decisions' have been 'acted on' by Bischoff. Not to mention Sting talking on Impact about how much he respects Hardy and hinting that Hardy will 'see the light' at some point. I do enjoy how quick people are to jump on Hardy however, especially given TNA and Russo's history of questionable booking. But why does that not surprise me.
There's no way that was a Work. It's actually worse if it's a work, it's disgusting and disrespectful.
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Have any of you even watched the video of it? Do you honestly think that even TNA would let an apparently impaired wrestler go out in front of a live crowd on PPV for a main event, no matter what the planned outcome is? Especially with somebody with the status and a history of speaking up like Sting? I'd be very surprised given the storyline surrounding the title lately if this anything other than 'The Network' making sure Hardy doesn't get the belt given his current legal status, all of their 'decisions' have been 'acted on' by Bischoff. Not to mention Sting talking on Impact about how much he respects Hardy and hinting that Hardy will 'see the light' at some point. I do enjoy how quick people are to jump on Hardy however, especially given TNA and Russo's history of questionable booking. But why does that not surprise me.
Do I think TNA would do it? Absolutely. They've let Hardy work "tired" before, too. As for the rest of it, I have no idea what you are talking about. What's the story in TNA? That he's meant to be wasted and look like he's in no shape to perform? I legitimately don't know what you mean.
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Do I think TNA would do it? Absolutely. They've let Hardy work "tired" before, too. As for the rest of it, I have no idea what you are talking about. What's the story in TNA? That he's meant to be wasted and look like he's in no shape to perform? I legitimately don't know what you mean.
With all the publicity Charlie Sheen is getting and Jeff's impending court case, I could easily see Russo and Bischoff looking at each other with dollar signs in their eyes, thinking that this controversy is a great idea.

We're talking about it, that's what they want. But work or not, I will never even download TNA again unless it's their farewell show so I can give them the middle finger as people in the ring cry.
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There's no way that was a Work. It's actually worse if it's a work, it's disgusting and disrespectful.
Why not? Because you've already made up your mind given the 'overwhelming evidence'?

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Do I think TNA would do it? Absolutely. They've let Hardy work "tired" before, too. As for the rest of it, I have no idea what you are talking about. What's the story in TNA? That he's meant to be wasted and look like he's in no shape to perform? I legitimately don't know what you mean.
What, every wrestler ever works tired at times. That's 'life on the road'. And the only time I've seen anything written anywhere like that was the last time the internet decided Hardy was wasted and working, which, shockingly, turned out to be bollocks. And the current storyline over the last 3-4 weeks regarding the title situation has been 'The Network' aka Spike making the main events due to what's good for TV/'the Network', including making Hardy defend the title in consecutive weeks and not telling him who his opponent was when he lost it.
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Yeah, guys always work tired, but Jeff was so tired that he appeared wasted to guys in the back. Regardless of Jeff being wasted or not, people at least thought it and it got leaked. You don't hear that shit going on in regards to anyone else. And yeah, Jeff Hardy's reputation allowed it to gain steam -- but what does that tell you? It's like when Dixie Carter's response to "Fire Russo" chants was "Well, Vince didn't even write it." Wasted or not, there was a problem there.

If you look at my original post, I mention the "Charlie Sheen" effect, and I don't disagree that it's a possibility. But either way, it's fucking terrible. If Jeff was not in a state to wrestle, he shouldn't have wrestled. And if this is a storyline, how the fuck is it good? Jeff got beaten in a minute by a 51 year old man because the storyline is that he's too fucked up? He's their former World Champion. It's retarded.

If that's the storyline in TNA, then that's also fucked up. Jeff Hardy is meant to be their huge heel isn't he? Yet he's a victim of the networks and being put in situations that make him sympathetic? I'm all for three-dimensional stories, and I like shades of grey to my characters -- but that's just working against yourself.

It being a storyline ultimately doesn't change why people are pissed off. They got short-changed out of a main event because the main eventer delivering didn't do so. People backstage and their own mutant audience were allegedly all pissed off. Great work, TNA. Brilliant.
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Yeah, guys always work tired, but Jeff was so tired that he appeared wasted to guys in the back. Regardless of Jeff being wasted or not, people at least thought it and it got leaked. You don't hear that shit going on in regards to anyone else. And yeah, Jeff Hardy's reputation allowed it to gain steam -- but what does that tell you? It's like when Dixie Carter's response to "Fire Russo" chants was "Well, Vince didn't even write it." Wasted or not, there was a problem there.

If you look at my original post, I mention the "Charlie Sheen" effect, and I don't disagree that it's a possibility. But either way, it's fucking terrible. If Jeff was not in a state to wrestle, he shouldn't have wrestled. And if this is a storyline, how the fuck is it good? Jeff got beaten in a minute by a 51 year old man because the storyline is that he's too fucked up? He's their former World Champion. It's retarded.

If that's the storyline in TNA, then that's also fucked up. Jeff Hardy is meant to be their huge heel isn't he? Yet he's a victim of the networks and being put in situations that make him sympathetic? I'm all for three-dimensional stories, and I like shades of grey to my characters -- but that's just working against yourself.

It being a storyline ultimately doesn't change why people are pissed off. They got short-changed out of a main event because the main eventer delivering didn't do so. People backstage and their own mutant audience were allegedly all pissed off. Great work, TNA. Brilliant.
But you're once again basing that first paragraph on what you've read on the internet, claims that is was 'leaked' when in reality one conveniently "unnamed source" claimed he looked tired and it spread like wildfire in a Chinese Whispers forest. That's how all of this shit works, one person reads something, tells his spastic friend who tells his mutie pal on Youtube and before you know it it's everywhere. Then well respected in depth knowledge machines featuring a some fat bald fucker sitting in front of his DVD collection writing and making 'news videos' for NoDQ.com report it as fact. Which leads to plenty of other 'people' diving in head-first and lapping up every drop of what is written. Hasn't Rey Mysterio officially been retiring for the last 5 years? Isn't Randy Orton some kind of anti-christ because he doesn't enjoy being around these idiots? Not to mention Triple H still holding down 98% of the wrestlers on the Earth.

As for the rest of your post, yeah, this is pretty short-sighted on TNA's behalf. You can't shit on your fans with the main event of something they've paid their money specifically to see an outcome. But I haven't disputed this. In fact, quite the opposite if you read my posts. My guess would be the whole thing is to turn Hardy face, have him rebel against 'the system'/'the man' yadda yadda yadda. Which could also be short-sighted because they probably should have realized that a lot of wrestling fans are dribbling spastics who were going to immediately assume with their expert knowledge that the whole thing was down to Hardy. I doubt anybody outside of TNA will really know what is going on until Impact is taped which I'm guessing is over the next few days.
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Watch Jeff's entrance and tell me he isn't fucked up.
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If this is a work then this is worse than the shit WWE tried to do with Hardy and the mystery attacker at Survivor Series that one year. Like come on, man. And we know TNA watches WWE programming so they knew how bad that was received.
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Watch Jeff's entrance and tell me he isn't fucked up.
I've watched his entrance. As well most of his others since he turned heel in TNA.







How is the most recent one any more 'fucked up' than the others? I'm seeing 'Jeff comes out acting like a weirdo. Sometimes he acts weirder than other times' as a constant through all of his entrances. Do you even watch TNA/have anything to compare that entrance to other than what I've just posted?
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At best case scenario, this is just really horrible car-crash booking. At best.
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It's a work they are clearly using the whole Charlie Sheen affair and mirroring the angle with the enigma Jeff Hardy. It looks like a way for them to have Sting and Jeffs feud develop, Sting may try and change Hardys character or something along those lines I am really not sure at this point.

I have watched the footage several times now and I still believe this is a work, not the cleanest or tidiest of works not by a long shot infact the angle comes off as being disrespectful to the fans who paid money to see the event hence so many leaving in their droves after the show went off the air. At least when WCW pulled this kind of shit it was usually on TV and not pay per view.

This kind of main event is exactly the reason TNA will never be respected in the way that ROH or WWE is they simply have no idea about how to book angles and most of the angles come off as train wrecks to me. Maybe I am just used to getting my moneys worth with pay per views I am really not sure but I cringe when I watch TNA and it's angles like this that underline what kind of promotion TNA is.

They need Heyman badly.

As for Jeff wtf man I have seen you pull some crazy shit but dude.. what?

What the hell would posess Sting to finish his career in a promotion that has the roster of WWE Superstars or Heat from back in the day?
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To follow up what Mike Johnson posted in the Elite section last night, numerous TNA sources have told me that Jeff Hardy was in no condition to wrestle in his match against Sting on last night's show, and that is why the main event went less than 90 seconds.

Sting, as usual, was a complete professional and had nothing to do with why the match was so short.

In talking to people within TNA, they are angry and upset that Hardy was even sent out to the ring at all when it was clear to anyone who saw him that he should not have been. Given that the card was only announced a few days before the show, everyone I spoke with about this felt that the prudent move would have been to reshuffle the card and not embarrass the company but putting on the main event that they did. The feeling is that it makes the company look bad and it's situation that is representative of greater problems that plague the company.

To say that people in TNA are very frustrated right now would be more than fair.
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How is the most recent one any more 'fucked up' than the others? I'm seeing 'Jeff comes out acting like a weirdo. Sometimes he acts weirder than other times' as a constant through all of his entrances. Do you even watch TNA/have anything to compare that entrance to other than what I've just posted?
He was fucking stumbling on his way to the ring, swerving down the ramp, and almost tripped getting in. He doesn't do that in any of those videos you posted. He didn't look "cocky heel douchebag" he looked "fucked up". His whole demeanor came off that way in general. He looked almost out of it legitimately.

Maybe they were playing that up, maybe they weren't, but it was NOT a "normal" Hardy entrance.
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He was fucking stumbling on his way to the ring, swerving down the ramp, and almost tripped getting in. He doesn't do that in any of those videos you posted. He didn't look "cocky heel douchebag" he looked "fucked up". His whole demeanor came off that way in general. He looked almost out of it legitimately.

Maybe they were playing that up, maybe they weren't, but it was NOT a "normal" Hardy entrance.
It's in fact so exaggerated that makes me believe it's a work.

Don't give a shit either way to be honest. There is no excuse for that angle OR sending him out if he was legit "fucked up". Just the dumbest move I've ever seen TNA or any company, wrestling or not, do.
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Yeah, I agree. There's no excuse either way. But I'd have a much bigger problem with it if he's actually fucked up. If it's booking, it's just another stupid TNA move that doesn't surprise me. If it's that he was just bombed out of his mind, that's a whole other level of fucked up and shows complete disregard towards their wrestlers.

I'm just wondering, IF it comes out he was on drugs or whatever, and does get fired for it, would that affect his sentencing? I'd think it would take it from no jail time to a bit at least, because he shows that he just doesn't give a fuck.

And again, I'm not saying this IS or ISN'T the case, but I'm assuming it is in that scenario.
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But you're once again basing that first paragraph on what you've read on the internet, claims that is was 'leaked' when in reality one conveniently "unnamed source" claimed he looked tired and it spread like wildfire in a Chinese Whispers forest. That's how all of this shit works, one person reads something, tells his spastic friend who tells his mutie pal on Youtube and before you know it it's everywhere. Then well respected in depth knowledge machines featuring a some fat bald fucker sitting in front of his DVD collection writing and making 'news videos' for NoDQ.com report it as fact. Which leads to plenty of other 'people' diving in head-first and lapping up every drop of what is written. Hasn't Rey Mysterio officially been retiring for the last 5 years? Isn't Randy Orton some kind of anti-christ because he doesn't enjoy being around these idiots? Not to mention Triple H still holding down 98% of the wrestlers on the Earth.

As for the rest of your post, yeah, this is pretty short-sighted on TNA's behalf. You can't shit on your fans with the main event of something they've paid their money specifically to see an outcome. But I haven't disputed this. In fact, quite the opposite if you read my posts. My guess would be the whole thing is to turn Hardy face, have him rebel against 'the system'/'the man' yadda yadda yadda. Which could also be short-sighted because they probably should have realized that a lot of wrestling fans are dribbling spastics who were going to immediately assume with their expert knowledge that the whole thing was down to Hardy. I doubt anybody outside of TNA will really know what is going on until Impact is taped which I'm guessing is over the next few days.

Dude most of the info on Hardy came from Wrestling Observer, it's generally a pretty good reliable news source, you know since Meltzer's been around forever. Not all wrestling news reporters are stupid fanboys like you seem to think, there are such things as legit wrestling reporters

Your superiority complex is hilarious tho, really love your constant diatribes on the IWC

3 possibilities on this:

1)The entire thing is a total shoot: Hardy dead weighted him to get the match over with because Hardy is so fucked right now that Sting didn't trust him to wrestle a safe match. Probably the least likely scenario

2) The finish was preplanned and the match was cut to 60 seconds because Hardy is fucked and no one believed he could actually wrestle. This what The Observer is reporting (again a pretty reliable site)

3) Total work part of some really bad storyline that's gonna suck


Could be any of those 3
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CSL doesn't believe in any news source. And it's true that you need to take ALL of them with some skepticism. But there are reporters out there with legitimate sources in the business and there is news that comes from MULTIPLE sources within the company to support the Hardy was fucked up claim.

However, with that said, it COULD be a case with TNA working their own wrestlers or the wrestlers working the sheets. That's not out of the ordinary. But I don't think it's fair to write something off just because you read it online. There are reliable sources out there, Observer and PWInsider being two of them IMO.
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However, with that said, it COULD be a case with TNA working their own wrestlers or the wrestlers working the sheets. That's not out of the ordinary. But I don't think it's fair to write something off just because you read it online. There are reliable sources out there, Observer and PWInsider being two of them IMO.
Then they'd REALLY be WCW lite.
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Well they just started talkng about the "Network" giving them problems.Matt and Jeff are both experienced in crazy video blogs and internet fan interactions. This could be going in a "BI-WINNING" direction. If this wasn't a work then the Hot Topic belt needs to go into the trash this thursday. If it was a work it could be akin to Hawk falling off the tron,or Scott Hall puking on Bischoff in WCW. The point is that it's been done before. We've all seen how much attentiion a falling star can get from Mr. Sheen. A million twitter followers in one day gets people noticing,so this could all be fake. If so there isn't a better candidate for the role. Matt Hardy looked high in his promo before the match with A.J.,but then had the match of the night. So who knows really. If Hardy comes out with two hot blonde girlfriends then we all know whats up.
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CSL doesn't believe in any news source. And it's true that you need to take ALL of them with some skepticism. But there are reporters out there with legitimate sources in the business and there is news that comes from MULTIPLE sources within the company to support the Hardy was fucked up claim.

However, with that said, it COULD be a case with TNA working their own wrestlers or the wrestlers working the sheets. That's not out of the ordinary. But I don't think it's fair to write something off just because you read it online. There are reliable sources out there, Observer and PWInsider being two of them IMO.
Now that wouldn't surprise me, TNA bookers working their own locker room and the press because they think it'll create some buzz, Bischoff, Russo and their ilk are exactly the type of people who would think that a story about Hardy being too fucked on drugs to wrestle would totally be the edgy cool story that will attract fans.

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