Bradshaw picked on us all when we were at school :(

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by The Lone Drinker I would be mad too if everyone decided I was going to fail without even giving me a chance. Freedom of speech goes both ways. I don't understand why everyone makes a big deal when wrestlers try to defend themselves. BTW: You all love Chris Jericho and yet you all forgot that he lashed out at the Internet community too in the summer of 2002 when you all said his match at King of the Ring with RVD sucked. Yet I never see any hate for him. Anyway, perhaps the WWE is finally seeing that the Internet is a very large part of their audience. And I think Bradshaw's comments was good heel work yet again. That was so amazingly over the top that it may be Bradshaw's best "mic" work in years, regardless of whether or not he meant it to be. Anything that gets people talking, or even a little emotional about a character, is a good thing no matter what. It's just like the Flair interview from a few weeks ago when he was saying he doesn't like fans using wrestler's lingo. Every time we're targeted, it makes most net fans furious, while it just makes me laugh because I know it is a work and just an attempt to get heat from the Internet fans since net fans are too intelligent to hate wrestlers when they are on TV, so the wrestlers have to hit below the belt on the web to get heat from the Smarks and it works like a charm. Guys like Flair and Bradshaw are heels. It's what they do!

So then why did he do this stuff when he was supposed to be a fae, too?

Oh wait, that would totally blow a hole in the argument that it's always a work. Why would you want to recognise something like that. That would require using critical thinking and facts to come up with a solid argument.

Nobody forgot about Chris Jericho's little rant. However, people don't care, because Jericho's at least talented in the ring.

Bradhsaw isn't.

Freedom of speech is a two way street.. However, you're a moron if you think that freedom of speech should in any way, shape, or form protect Bradshaw from backlash. It's called freedom of speech because people are now free to respond.

I've also got some news for you: Bradshaw is not a new wrestler. It's socking, yes, but some of us "smarts" have ACTUALLY seen him wrestle and are not pre-judging him, but judging his actual work. He's only been around for a couple of decades, so I could see where you were confused there.

Finally, Heel work isn't supposed to make you turn off the TV. It's supposed to rile you up so you'll watch the guy, not so you'll say "Fuck this shit" and turn off the TV.

Bradshaw's reminding us once again that, no matter what role he plays, he's still Bradshaw. He's turned off people who were interested in his gimmick despite his consitently shitty work in-ring.

If this is a work, it's as weak as his normal work. I know the thought of Bradshaw in the main event will keep me from ordering the PPV...

[BasicThuganomics]

I understand Bradshaw has the right of freedom of speech, but he made himself look like an even bigger idiot by making idiotic comments in his column. Resorting to name calling and questioning someone's sexuality is something teenagers are prone to do. Someone who is a well respected financial analyst should be able to say something more intelligent and constructive than, "I shoved you in your locker and made you do my homework in high school!" Get what I'm saying lone drinker?

[Rob]

Coming from someone who is known for threatening to arse rape wrestlers in the showers, that was the quite the comment.

[Goldbird]

Well, then i'm not surprised at all that Bradshaw made that comment.

[The Lone Drinker]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight So then why did he do this stuff when he was supposed to be a fae, too? He insulted Smarks twice I believe in the last couple of years. And I believe he was hurt at the time as well. He has not done so since until he became top heel. But rather what he said was kayfabe or not, I guess we will never really know. I believe it was a mix of both. I mean, you gotta admit the whole "Bully" stuff sounds like something a bad guy wrestler would say to the fans while in character. But the way I see it is that what Flair said a few weeks ago was right. We're wrestling fans, why should we know or care? Why over analyze it? Who are we to try to distinguish the man from the character? I say just enjoy the show. Freedom of speech is a two way street.. However, you're a moron if you think that freedom of speech should in any way, shape, or form protect Bradshaw from backlash. It's called freedom of speech because people are now free to respond. I never said that. I am just saying that you guys sit there and bash Bradshaw then act shocked whenever he insults you back and you sit there and say junk like "We're the fans! We're allowed to say whatever we want!" I mean that's like assuming kids can do whatever they want because they are just little kids. You sit there and gave Bradshaw crap, and he gave you some back. And most of us are adults I believe so we should be able to take it like men. The "smart marks" can deal out the criticism, but if any is returned.....they whine like the little cry babies. The hypocrisy is delicious. Bradshaw is entitled to his opinion...learn to receive what you dish out. I've also got some news for you: Bradshaw is not a new wrestler. It's socking, yes, but some of us "smarts" have ACTUALLY seen him wrestle and are not pre-judging him, but judging his actual work. He's only been around for a couple of decades, so I could see where you were confused there.

You're making it sound like I am a new wrestling fan who just started watching wrestling. And I would have literally just had to start watching wrestling if I didn't know who Bradshaw was before he got this push. You don't even know me or anything about me, so why make assumptions about me? I am 21-years old and have been watching the WW "E" since 1988. Where did I imply I was new to wrestling? Just bcause I am new to this board does not mean I am new to pro wrestling or Internet wrestling message boards. I knew who Bradshaw was before he became a rip-off of the Million Dollar Man.

As far as Bradshaw's wrestling skill goes, beauty is within the eye of the beholder. Some of us like brawlers such as Bradshaw, The Undertaker, Mick Foley, Steve Austin, etc, etc. Not everyone is down with mat wrestling. I enjoy Bradshaw's ring work. I think for a bigger guy, he moves very well and his new character entertains me every week.

To me, Guerrero's last match, and Bradshaw's last match on Smackdown, I was more entertained with Bradshaw. Guerrero matches I am not entertained by and I am not trying to say he has never entertained me, but, more so on a mid card level. I am adding all the variables in what provide an entertaining match, to me anyways. So as an overall wrestler, Bradshaw is one of the best on Smackdown. Ring Psych is more important than gymnastics in my opinion, when it comes to Sports Entertainment.

Everyone on the net is always saying how the WWE needs to build new superstars, the WWE did just that and now you fellas are saying....."Yeah, build new superstars, but NOT Bradshaw......I can understand his hate for the internet, it's the same type of shit that I refuse to read. All the Smarks just seem to know it all, yet they can't offer one halfway decent suggestion. They have no clue what they want, but they do know what they don't want. No Bradshaw and no Triple H... I'm sure on that alone, the companies problems could be solved.....yeah, that's sarcasm.

[Goldbird]

wow explosive, but it indeed makes sense.

[Wildcat789]

Sure it's absolutely frustrating. But you're entertaining millions of people everywhere, critism will come, and if you can't bring it, then the critism is going to be bad. JBL had no business doing this to internet fans.

Yeah, we all know he's a heel. But this column was OBVIOUSLY not kayfabe. The man is insecure. If he can't handle the critism of the main event scene, then he should step down and leave it to guys who can.

[Evil Vito]

Originally Posted by Heyman Just sent an e-mail to Bradshaw@wwe.com. Here's what it was. YOU WROTE: I am in the best wrestling shape I have been in in years. If we go a half an hour, I will be ready. For those of you fat, out-of-shape Internet wannabes who have never done anything more athletic than play checkers, kiss my ass for doubting me, and realize why you hate me. I was the guy in school who made you do my homework and locked you in your locker. RESPONSE: Well let me ask you this..........why do us ""fat out-of-shape" Internet wannabes (who have never done anything more than play checkers) LOVE and RESPECT guys like Chris Benoit, Kurt Angle, and Bret Hart? Perhaps this is due to the fact that they have a little thing called TALENT. Perhaps this is due to the fact that they don't go around talking shit to internet fans. Why? Because - they are secure about themselves. You were the guy that locked me in my locker eh? Well - Vince was the guy that made you Taker's BITCH, and put you in a JOBBER tag team! Oh and by the way, did guys like BART GUNN stuff you in YOUR locker? :-D If not, then I'm glad you've actually won a FEW matches in your lifetime. Looks like you may have actually DESERVED to be a main-eventer in highschool! YOU WROTE: JBL will deliver Sunday and you can “report” whatever you want, but you will also realize how little influence you have, except to your little nerd friends. How long has it been since you guys that spend all your time reporting on us have been with a woman other than your mother? After all, when I see you in airports hanging out, you are always with guys. You guys don’t have a questionable sexual orientation, do you? Of course, it is 2004, I don’t judge. RESPONSE: I'm pretty sure that the women LOVE you. After all, all of that stereoid use must REALLY make you great in the sack eh? I'm sure the women love your conversations about the stock market as well! And aren't you that guy that's known for his "shower pranks" in the lockerroom? Huh? But don't worry - it's 2004, I don't judge.....................YOU FAT AND OUT OF SHAPE MAIN-EVENTER WANNABE DAT'S NEVER BEEN WITH A WOMAN! omg! LOLLOL!

LMAO

*reps*

[Stickman]

Did Bob Holly lash out at the internet for saying how much he sucks and shouldn't be main eventing?

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by The Lone Drinker I never said that. I am just saying that you guys sit there and bash Bradshaw then act shocked whenever he insults you back and you sit there and say junk like "We're the fans! We're allowed to say whatever we want!" I mean that's like assuming kids can do whatever they want because they are just little kids. You sit there and gave Bradshaw crap, and he gave you some back. And most of us are adults I believe so we should be able to take it like men.

Actually, people are saying he's a moron for saying this shit. First, I have the right to free speech, but if I go into Harlem, and scream "I hate niggers!" The first ammendment will NOT protect me from any wrath I might incur. Second, as a sales rep, it's not a good idea to make your fan base even LESS motivated.

People are lashing right back, not saying "YOU CAN'T SAY THAT!!!!!!!!!!" Please try to understand the difference.

Bradshaw is entitled to his opinion...learn to receive what you dish out.

Damn, you're delusional. Yes, he drove everyone in this thread to suicide, because we couldn't take the heat.

You're making it sound like I am a new wrestling fan who just started watching wrestling. And I would have literally just had to start watching wrestling if I didn't know who Bradshaw was before he got this push.

Your defense of Bradshaw was that we were prejudging him. I responded in a condescending tone because you should have seen his body of work unless you only started watching wrestling about a month or so ago.

You don't even know me or anything about me, so why make assumptions about me?

Actually, I didn't make assumptions about you. I responded in flavor appropriate to a moronic statement about prejudice. I'm sorry you got so offended over these assumptions I made, but most of them come from your own mind.

I am getting a pretty good picture of you right now, though, and the word "moron" comes up every time I read your posts.

I am 21-years old and have been watching the WW "E" since 1988

OH WOW! THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING!

Where did I imply I was new to wrestling? Just bcause I am new to this board does not mean I am new to pro wrestling or Internet wrestling message boards. I knew who Bradshaw was before he became a rip-off of the Million Dollar Man.

And you've demonstrated it so well up until this point.

Where did I imply that you were new to pro wrestling? I could have been implying that you were an idiot. Or I could have been simply been using the sarcasm you're so fond of. But by all means, keep ranting.

As far as Bradshaw's wrestling skill goes, beauty is within the eye of the beholder. Some of us like brawlers such as Bradshaw, The Undertaker, Mick Foley, Steve Austin, etc, etc. Not everyone is down with mat wrestling. I enjoy Bradshaw's ring work. I think for a bigger guy, he moves very well and his new character entertains me every week.

He moves like a pregnant cow and has shit for wrestling ability. He's nothing compared to Taker (Except now adays, when Taker can't wrestle even remotely close to quality), and Foley, and it's a mad weak comparison, especially given how many "Smarks" are fans of the latter.

To me, Guerrero's last match, and Bradshaw's last match on Smackdown, I was more entertained with Bradshaw. Guerrero matches I am not entertained by and I am not trying to say he has never entertained me, but, more so on a mid card level. I am adding all the variables in what provide an entertaining match, to me anyways. So as an overall wrestler, Bradshaw is one of the best on Smackdown. Ring Psych is more important than gymnastics in my opinion, when it comes to Sports Entertainment.

So basically, you're lashing out because your minority opinion is being shit on.

Everyone on the net is always saying how the WWE needs to build new superstars, the WWE did just that and now you fellas are saying....."Yeah, build new superstars, but NOT Bradshaw......I can understand his hate for the internet, it's the same type of shit that I refuse to read. All the Smarks just seem to know it all, yet they can't offer one halfway decent suggestion. They have no clue what they want, but they do know what they don't want. No Bradshaw and no Triple H... I'm sure on that alone, the companies problems could be solved.....yeah, that's sarcasm.

Again, big news for you! Bradshaw is not a "new" superstar. You claim to be a longtime wrestling fan, but you don't seem to be able to reflect it when you make statements like this. I must have just said that you were a wrestling n00b! OH NO!

You know what? It's not my duty to offer a half-decent suggestion. Even if the WWE took such suggestions, the WWE is the entertainer, not me. If they want to give me a salary, then we'll talk. Wrestling's not doing so hot right now, and everyone wants to blame the smarks for complaining, but we're on the other end of the formula. As I've said before, entertainment is designed to pander to us, not vice versa. The "smarks" know exactly what they want...They want entertainment.

And you sir, are a total moron.

[CosaNostra]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight ..........but I must say, i really respect a guy who's able to make other people do his homework.

Yeah.........only the kids in that class that he bullied probably started out 4 grades behind him and caught up with him because he kept being held back due the fact he is a stupid fuck.

But who am I to judge? This is 2004!

[CosaNostra]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight And you sir, are a total moron.

HEY! No judging remember?!?

This is 2004 bah gawd!!!!

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by CosaNostra HEY! No judging remember?!? This is 2004 bah gawd!!!!

Sorry, I'll fix that last statement for when TLD comes back:

And you sir, are a total moron, but who am I to judge? This is 2004!

[CosaNostra]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Sorry, I'll fix that last statement for when TLD comes back: And you sir, are a total moron, but who am I to judge? This is 2004!

[Kane Knight]

All I'm saying is, he's probably more looking at Bradshaw's body, than his "Psychology." He's probably just mad at us because we don't condone the Aberrant Sexual Behaviour in which he and his role-model, Bradshaw engage. but who am I to judge? It's 2004!

[CosaNostra]

ANd thus, a new TPWW catchphrase is born.

"Who am I to judge? Its 2004!

[Goldbird]

Oh yeh, the new catchphrase...

If ya smellll............. (5 years out of fashion)

"Who am I to judge? It's 2004!" lol

[darkpower]

I wouldn't be surprised if this was just another way of one of Vince's employees sucking his cock, though. Have you noticed that quite alot of WWE employees have been slamming the internet lately, quite more than normal. Maybe Vince is tired of us saying how much his ideas blow.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by darkpower I wouldn't be surprised if this was just another way of one of Vince's employees sucking his cock, though. Have you noticed that quite alot of WWE employees have been slamming the internet lately, quite more than normal. Maybe Vince is tired of us saying how much his ideas blow.

That's the thing. Vince has cracked down on what can be said and where. I wouldn't exactly like to say "Vince is wrong" if it meant I could no longer feed my family. on the other hand, I'm not sure if I'd go the extra step to bashing the net or anything. Then again, I doubt many of these people have a solid opinion or even gives a rat's ass, so...

[darkpower]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight That's the thing. Vince has cracked down on what can be said and where. I wouldn't exactly like to say "Vince is wrong" if it meant I could no longer feed my family. on the other hand, I'm not sure if I'd go the extra step to bashing the net or anything. Then again, I doubt many of these people have a solid opinion or even gives a rat's ass, so...

I wouldn't doubt that at all, either.

[The Lone Drinker]

Kane Knight, okay.....well first off....I am going to ignore the insults you made. Because clearly you are trying to provoke me into a flaming war which you will no doubt be the face since you are a semi-loved veteran around these parts, and after a few pages, people who have not even read this whole thread will come in and get the impression I am some cocky stupid newbie trying to "take things over" or some nonsense. Next thing you know.....I am being ganged up on by you and your buddies and when you all realize I don't back down, I will just get the ban from one of your friends who happens to be a Mod. And I realize insulting me is just an attempt to get off the subject of hand since you know you are incorrect so you just get want to change the subject and get into a flame war with me. That's why you called me some new fan to wrestling. Because you knew I'd come in and correct you and next thing you know, we are talking more about me when we should be talking about Bradshaw. With that being said, let's get back to the main topic.

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Actually, people are saying he's a moron for saying this shit. First, I have the right to free speech, but if I go into Harlem, and scream "I hate niggers!" The first ammendment will NOT protect me from any wrath I might incur. Actually, you could press charges against the people who hurt you. Second, as a sales rep, it's not a good idea to make your fan base even LESS motivated. But what if this fan base you were insulting were just a small group of teenaged punks who hung outside your store and never bought anything? And just insulted your customers and made fun of them and called them "marks" and scared most of them away. And insulted you and your coworkers? Are you telling me you would not tell them to piss off? And what if when you do that, their all like "Uh, you can't insult us! We're customers too!" Would you not roll your eyes at them? Damn, you're delusional. Yes, he drove everyone in this thread to suicide, because we couldn't take the heat. Well, I wouldn't go THAT far. But he sure did tick off a lot of people just by writing a few words on the screen. Heck man....many other posters have said the same thing about Smarks and no one gave a shit. But when BRADSHAW says just a few comments about Smarks, you go nuts. Know why? Because you DO care what he thinks... Your defense of Bradshaw was that we were prejudging him. I responded in a condescending tone because you should have seen his body of work unless you only started watching wrestling about a month or so ago. Well, it seems to me that Bradshaw has been busting his ass to make this match tonight look good, so he may be trying extra hard tonight... so who knows you may be in for a shocker. Again, big news for you! Bradshaw is not a "new" superstar. You claim to be a longtime wrestling fan, but you don't seem to be able to reflect it when you make statements like this. I must have just said that you were a wrestling n00b! OH NO!

Benoit and Eddie are not new superstars either and they are being pushed. They are like the same age as Bradshaw.

When I say "new superstars", I don't mean "young superstars".

Bradshaw, Eddie, and Benoit were mid-carding jobbers for most of their careers. Now they are being pushed.

And this is really the first time these three guys have been pushed into the main event scene without their hype being taken away from guys like Stone Cold, Hogan, The Rock, etc, etc.....so yes, they are "new" to the main event scene.

[Kane Knight]

I don't feel like reading your entire retard novella here right now, but I'll get back to it later. one thing that struck me here, is that you differentiate between "young" superstars and "new superstars."

Because we all know, everyone and their mother has been screaming "Push Edge!" Edge is a new Superstar who has never been pushed before, right?



I'm sorry, but your argument gets more absurd every pass.

I'll have to check out the rest of your moronic rant when I'm in need of a good laugh.

[thuganomicalcrippler]

Thats pure hilarity.

lol, Dark_Kane clan members again.

[Kane Knight]

Loose Cannon, you're nothing but a stupid smark. You think you're so tough, but you can't take what you dish out.

[Fox]

Watch the RKO, KK.

[Kane Knight]

?

[PureHatred]

I hikn this is the first thread I've read where Kane Knight has been referred to as a "face."

But who am I to judge? it's 2004.

[The Lone Drinker]

Originally Posted by PureHatred I hikn this is the first thread I've read where Kane Knight has been referred to as a "face." But who am I to judge? it's 2004.

Well, I am just a "stupid clueless newbie". Who am I too judge?......

[BasicThuganomics]

Originally Posted by The Lone Drinker Well, I am just a "stupid clueless newbie". Who am I too judge?......

You are stupid if you can't even correctly spell the word "to"

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by PureHatred I hikn this is the first thread I've read where Kane Knight has been referred to as a "face." But who am I to judge? it's 2004.

*Kicks you in the groin*

That's a face tactic, right?

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by The Lone Drinker Well, I am just a " stupid clueless newbie". Who am I too judge?......

Fixed it for you.

[The Lone Drinker]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Fixed it for you.

So pretty much anyone who disagrees with you on any issue is stupid? Is that what you're saying?

[I bet you're a single dude right? And a very lonely person as well.]

[BasicThuganomics]

For someone who was getting upset because people were making assumptions about him earlier, you shouldn't make stupid assumptions about others like you just did.

KK doesn't say that everyone who disagrees with him is stupid, but you are stupid Lone Drinker. Oh yeah, and with a name like Lone Drinker, I would bet that you're a single dude, and a lonely person as well.

But you're definately stupid though...

[big_bluto]

Lone Drinker - take the hint here.
(18 posts / -200 reps) = not a good start

[PureHatred]

Lone Drinker, you can huff and puff about you're right to your opinion and Bradhsaw's right to criticize those who criticize him, but the fact of the matter is Judgment Day didn't sell out ( I live in L.A.; it was announced tickets were available-front row included-up until 3 or 4 this afternoon. watching the PPV, its obvious there are tons of empty seats) and the projections for the buy rates have been horrible. Couple this with the fact that Smackdown's ratings have been in the toilet and you start to get the picture that the general wrestling audience has no interest in JBL as a main eventer.

His character is great, but he has no real talent in the ring. As a brawler, he's subpar. There are at least six guys on the Smackdown roster with a similar style that are flat out more talented.

Oh yeah...and this "new superstar" that the WWE is trying to create was born on November 29, 1967. He's going on 42. He's had plenty of time to justify this push and it never happened. The WWE slapped a suit on a worker no one cared about in the first place, had him use as many racial slurs as possible ( and still only generated miniaml heat), and now you (and he) are surprised because we as fans still don't give a fuck?

Please....you have the right to an opinion but don't get surprised when it gets shot down by the rest of us.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by The Lone Drinker So pretty much anyone who disagrees with you on any issue is stupid? Is that what you're saying? [I bet you're a single dude right? And a very lonely person as well.]

Wow. Two in one night. What, were you and JLR hatched from the same "idiot pod?"

See, the problem is, you're combining two issues.

issue 1: I disagree with you.

Issue 2: I think you're a complete and utter moron.

I think number 2 is especially born out, because intelligent people are generally able to seperate the two concepts.

but wait, I hear you say. You said I was a moron! It's because you don't agree with me!

No, I disagree with you because I think you're wrong. I think you're a moron because the arguments you've come up with are largely stupid.

But don't let reality get in your way, man.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by PureHatred [...A]nd now you (and he) are surprised because we as funs still don't give a ****?

Surprised? they seem outraged. Both of them.

[The Lone Drinker]

Well, Kane Knight, you still have not responded to my comments from yesterday. Because you know I am right. So you are just going to sit there and keep repeating yourself and call me all these names and encourage others to do the same.

And since you want to get off the topic of hand in regards of Bradshaw, you are doing anything and everything to try and turn this whole topic about me. I'm flattered really. But there are other forums on here where we can discuss our personals lives. But this forum and thread is about wrestling.

Really, if the shoe was on the other foot and I was insulting you and calling you all these names, I would have been banned by now. I think what you are trying to do is get me to insult you back so I will get banned and you won't have someone challenge you in future wrestling debates. You just want everyone to shut up and bow down to you and not dare challenge you huh? Well, I am afraid it is going to take a little more effort then that to get rid of me.

PureHatred - Okay, well first of all.....I don't know why everyone thinks that in order to be a new main event superstar, you have to be young.

I know how old Bradshaw is and he is new to the main event scene. It's like what I was saying in my last couple of posts.........Eddie and Beniot are around the same age as Bradshaw and they are just now being pushed too.

I realize all three of those guys have been around for a while, but they ARE "new" to the main event scene, so yes they are "new superstars" as far as the main event goes.

So let me get this straight: You fellas want NEW main eventers....but not guys like Bradshaw or Triple H......BUT WAIT................these new main eventers have to be YOUNG GUYS in their 20's? Guys who have 0 experience in wrestling, are not over with the crowd and have probably never even had an I.C. title run?

See....you fellas don't know what the hell you want.....

[Kane Knight]

No, because I haven't been able to get through your post without falling out of my chair laughing.

It makes it hard to rebut...

but at least you've gotten off your conspiracy theories...