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Old 01-27-2014, 09:33 PM   #1
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This isn't just about Bryan. They are seriously burying other people because of their horrible decisions. It isn't all that fair to guys like Bats/Rey when awful booking decisions like this are made and ruin their reactions as well.
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This isn't just about Bryan. They are seriously burying other people because of their horrible decisions. It isn't all that fair to guys like Bats/Rey when awful booking decisions like this are made and ruin their reactions as well.
This I agree with. You're mostly in the right. It just blows my mind that they are so stupid, but it really shouldn't, since they consistently prove how stupid they are.
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Old 01-28-2014, 01:08 AM   #3
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I'm kind of surprised that there are still people that think WWE is "booking Daniel Bryan perfectly." I bought into the wait and see thing after Summerslam, and even after Night of Champions and Hell in a Cell, but at this point it's just ridiculous.

WWE is trying to do what they always do: they're going with the main event they think they should go with (the big, marketable, "superstar look" guys in Orton and Batista). They're going with the chosen child (Orton) and the superstar from years ago who has a big movie coming out. And that's what they're going to do. There's nothing we can do to stop it. It's just like WrestleMania 25. Triple H versus Orton probably wasn't the best choice for their "25th anniversary" show. But it's what they went with. They haven't taken a "risk" with their WrestleMania main event since WrestleMania 20 when they let a guy who "shouldn't be in the main event of the biggest show of the year" win the thing.

Vince knows what he wants. He wants Batista verus Orton - the movie star versus the perfect embodiment of what a WWE superstar should wrestle and look like. And nothing is going to change that. He's far too stubborn to consider anything else. The WWE universe doesn't know what it wants. They want what he tells them to want. It's always been that way and it will always be that way.

They opened RAW tonight with Daniel Bryan because they had to - after all of the social media attention that Bryan's exclusion from the Rumble got, they had to bring it out and talk about it or risk it gaining even more momentum.

But look at what happened on RAW. That show was not about Daniel Bryan rising up. They are merely using his level of popularity to get other things over. Having Bryan stand up against the Authority gets the Authority more over as heels. Having him go up against the Shield gets Roman Reigns, another guy they want to push, more over as a superstar. Having him team with Sheamus and John Cena in the main event gets them more over as faces just by association and by teaming with him in their main event. But it's not about Bryan. They're using his fire to warm others. But he'll never be the main flame.

Just wait. Nothing will change. Orton will win the Rumble by the skin of his teeth, probably after Sheamus turns heel, joins the Authority and screws Bryan out of a victory, building up their eventual match at Mania.

And we will have Randy Orton versus Batista in the main event for the WWE World Heavyweight Title. And the match will be slow and plodding and un-fitting for the 30th WrestleMania, and Batista will win the thing, and fireworks will go off and confetti will rain from the rafters, and the next night on RAW they will be able to tout that Dave Batista, star of one of the next phase movies in the Avengers series, is their champion.

And Daniel Bryan will continue to put on the best matches on the card, regardless of his opponent, and the fans will continue to watch, and maybe in the summer they'll finally give him his push to the World Title, but it will be far too late.
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Gertner, I think you and me would be an amazing booking team. Throw in Jabba and ABT or a few of the other lads, with some actual former pro wrestlers to beat us up and show us the ropes, bet you we'd book some shit hot tv.
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Old 01-28-2014, 01:54 AM   #6
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I'm a little disappointed that Gertner seems to have softened a bit on his stance that Bryan absolutely should not be main eventing for the world title.
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Gertner is correct. I'm not sure whether or not the WWE has planned this, but if they are reactive and manage to think on their feet, they have the potential to create an amazing storyline going forward from here. Bryan winning the WWE World Title at the Elimination Chamber and then defending it against Batista -- who is so confident he will squash the vanilla midget -- could be great.

I was thinking today that this could be a way to get Daniel Bryan vs. The Undertaker going. Bryan would be upset that he was not included, The Authority would talk about Bryan's "safety," which Bryan knows is bullshit, so he sets his sights on proving himself. What better way to prove himself to Triple H than by beating the man that Triple H lost to three times at WrestleMania, and a man that has gone 21-0 at WrestleMania?

But it's possible that this could just be a segue into Bryan managing to get himself into the title match at the last minute. The WWE has to know that the crowd is going to shit on Batista vs. Orton at Mania. They just have to know that.
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I was thinking today that this could be a way to get Daniel Bryan vs. The Undertaker going. Bryan would be upset that he was not included, The Authority would talk about Bryan's "safety," which Bryan knows is bullshit, so he sets his sights on proving himself. What better way to prove himself to Triple H than by beating the man that Triple H lost to three times at WrestleMania, and a man that has gone 21-0 at WrestleMania?
I don't like the idea of Taker vs. Bryan.

Taker's streak should never be ended, while Bryan should not be jobbing at Mania'.

Bryan NEEDS to be in the main-event of Wrestlemania fighting for the Championship. Period.

The only guy that should be fighting with Undertaker and Wrestlemania, is Brock Lesnar in my opinion.
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Some things to keep in mind:

* Daniel Bryan lost to Bray Wyatt, which was weird. The WWE pulled the trigger on this because Bryan was so fucking over and they used it to kick off the show. Wyatt's goons were sent to the back which would have explained a way for Bryan to win the match (either by pinfall, submission or disqualification when they returned and attacked), but they chose to put Wyatt over. This means they value Bray's credibility, but it also seemed to make people think that the night was not over for Bryan. If Bryan had won and simply returned to the back, then it may have been more of a "final" story for him. Yet the WWE seemed to leave people hanging on purpose...

* The WWE didn't have Bryan in the Royal Rumble match. They gave Kevin Nash a spot. They gave El Torito a spot. They gave two guys who have made it clear they only want to be WWE Tag Team Champions in The Usos a shot. But they didn't put Daniel Bryan in there. They didn't want him in that Rumble. They didn't want him to lose that Royal Rumble.

There might be some truth to there being some method behind the madness right now. But you'd think that someone other than Rey Mysterio would have been #30 if that were the case. Bad News Barrett would have been perfect.
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Yeah him tweeting about it the way he did definitely shows they are at least reacting to it. Which is a very good sign. Part of the problem is they have no idea how to book a rebel like Bryan. The more they keep dumping on him, the more people sympathize. How are they gonna find the delicate balance of not completely burying him and robbing him of his moment and not completely turning him into a lamewad schill for the company. Bryan is company man, not because he bleeds WWE but because he is a staunch professional and does what he's told... there's certain things he won't be able to make up for just by being Daniel Bryan
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Yeah him tweeting about it the way he did definitely shows they are at least reacting to it. Which is a very good sign. Part of the problem is they have no idea how to book a rebel like Bryan. The more they keep dumping on him, the more people sympathize.
That's the thing though. Daniel Bryan, from what I understand, isn't an overt rebel though........atleast like someone like Austin or Degeneration X were.

The fact that Bryan continuously gets screwed over and takes it like a champ (without looking like a bitch) is what makes the fans sympathize with him and love him even more. It's a perfect blend of Bryan standing up for himself, but differentiating his character from a guy like Austin or DX.

Again - from a booker's standpoint, and WWE creative standpoint, the end goal is to not be predictable. The last thing you want for Bryan is to have him be an Austin clone by being a badass rebel. Bryan is his own unique personality, and I think the WWE are being extremely creative here. Bryan being a "bad-ass rebel" and winning the rumble would have extremely formulaic.

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Have him win the World Heavyweight title at Wrestlemania. Period.
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Gorgeous Dale Newstead, did you just imply WWE has no idea how to book a rebel whose popularity went through the roof after the birth of a catchphrase?
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Gorgeous Dale Newstead, did you just imply WWE has no idea how to book a rebel whose popularity went through the roof after the birth of a catchphrase?
Austin was a whole different beast, at a different time, in a different era. They KNEW how to do it, but that was when the wrestler's had more control, and the E wasn't the machine yet. I don't think under the current landscape, they have any idea of what to do with a rebel. Things change.
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Gorgeous Dale Newstead, did you just imply WWE has no idea how to book a rebel whose popularity went through the roof after the birth of a catchphrase?
His catchphrase was born after being scheduled to win King of the Ring. Isn't that proof that Austin was already getting a significant push with or without 3:16?

I don't know the behind-the-scenes history there, but if they were trying to bury him, they probably wouldn't have let him win King of the Ring.

Not that I think the WWE is trying to bury Daniel Bryan. If they really didn't like him and his boy scout behavior outside the ring, they could have fired him a long time ago during the NXT spitting incident.
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His catchphrase was born after being scheduled to win King of the Ring. Isn't that proof that Austin was already getting a significant push with or without 3:16?

I don't know the behind-the-scenes history there, but if they were trying to bury him, they probably wouldn't have let him win King of the Ring.

Not that I think the WWE is trying to bury Daniel Bryan. If they really didn't like him and his boy scout behavior outside the ring, they could have fired him a long time ago during the NXT spitting incident.
HHH was actually supposed to win the KOTF but was punished for the MSG incident. Stone Cold took his spot. Weird how things play out.
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why does he NEED to be though? if the purpose of the company is to create as many viable stars as they can maybe they are smart to see DB doesn't need the title to be viable?

Remember when they gave the big belt to little guys like benoit and mysterio and those in the know shit all over it? why do it again?

the course that should happen is DB would win the title after mania and then he's unfairly screwed out of it by the higher ups a few months later then spends the rest of 14 chasing it for the big payoff at the next rumble and mania 31. it's not time yet

not that orton batista is a good thing to me, or anything with cena for that matter, but just remember you and me don't pay for PPVs we don't buy t shirts and foam fingers.
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He-Man's updated Wrestlemania Card:

-Daniel Bryan vs. Batista
-Undertaker vs. Lesnar
-Sting vs. Randy Orton
-Roman Reigns vs. Seth Rollins vs. Dean Ambrose
-Goldust vs. Cody Rhodes
-Usos vs. New Age Outlaws
-Triple H vs. CM Punk
-John Cena vs. Bray Wyatt
-AJ Lee vs. ????

-Some kind of battle Royale
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He-Man's updated Wrestlemania Card:

-Daniel Bryan(c) vs. Batista
-Undertaker vs. Lesnar
-Sting vs. Randy Orton
-Roman Reigns vs. Seth Rollins vs. Dean Ambrose
-Goldust vs. Cody Rhodes
-Usos vs. New Age Outlaws
-Triple H vs. CM Punk
-John Cena vs. Bray Wyatt
-AJ Lee vs. ????

-Some kind of battle Royale
Sting? Is that a real possibility?

It would only be cool if it went unadvertised. Like have Randy Orton beat Ziggler for the #1 Contender spot, the lights go out, Sting comes down from the ceiling, nails him with the bat, splashes him in all four corners before hitting the reverse DDT and putting him in the scorpion deathlock until he passes out.
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Sting? Is that a real possibility?
According to recent reports on news sites, it is.
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HHH was actually supposed to win the KOTF but was punished for the MSG incident. Stone Cold took his spot. Weird how things play out.
Just did a quick wiki-check on the 1996 KOTR + PPV. Triple H beat Aldo Montoya in a dark match.

Crazy about some of the names in the actual tournament.

Vader, Ultimate Warrior, Yokozuna, Owen Hart...

I wonder if Triple H had not been punished who he would have faced in the final match. Jake, Austin or maybe Ultimate Warrior instead.

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According to recent reports on news sites, it is.
Hmmm...
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batista v. Daniel bryan has been done before
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batista v. Daniel bryan has been done before
Like what?

4-5 years ago?

Bryan wasn't a star back then.

Trust me - Bryan/Batista won't be stale due to a match that took place 4-5 years ago. :-|
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I called it being a threeway dance between Orton Batista and Bryan and I hope I'm not wrong because that would be cool.
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I called it being a threeway dance between Orton Batista and Bryan and I hope I'm not wrong because that would be cool.
Very strong possibility but I hope not.

In terms of building credibility, one-on-one victories do far more for a wrestler than a three-way.

The WWE's biggest long-term priority should be to make Daniel Bryan look as strong as possible.
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Very strong possibility but I hope not.

In terms of building credibility, one-on-one victories do far more for a wrestler than a three-way.

The WWE's biggest long-term priority should be to make Daniel Bryan look as strong as possible.
You'd have to get the belt off Orton beforehand. Bryan going in as champ wouldn't be as big of a moment as Bryan winning the belt, even more so if he defeated two of HHH former Evolution members at the same time. It'd make sense storyline-wise as well.
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You'd have to get the belt off Orton beforehand. Bryan going in as champ wouldn't be as big of a moment as Bryan winning the belt, even more so if he defeated two of HHH former Evolution members at the same time. It'd make sense storyline-wise as well.
That's an excellent point. After thinking about this, I would also agree with you that there would be a bigger payoff in Bryan winning the title at Mania'.

p.s.________________I just got word of the CM Punk situation. WWE better not f*** that up.
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I called it being a threeway dance between Orton Batista and Bryan and I hope I'm not wrong because that would be cool.
Bryan would win to please the smarks and it would be eerily similar to the WrestleMania 20 main event. We all know how that turned out.
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I called it being a threeway dance between Orton Batista and Bryan and I hope I'm not wrong because that would be cool.

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What are the practical ways to get DB into the main-event without giving him the title?
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What are the practical ways to get DB into the main-event without giving him the title?
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Here's what I posted earlier: on Raw, Bryan keeps cutting promos on HHH demanding a shot, giving the people what they want. HHH says ok, but if he doesn't win this match, he'll never get a chance again. HHH puts him in a handicap match against The Shield. Bryan overcomes the odds and wins due to miscommunication in the The Shield, which leads to the Shield fighting each other. In that match you now have:

Bryan vs Batista vs Orton
Reigns vs Ambrose vs Rollins.

Two solid Wrestlemania matches.
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WWE's biggest mistake was putting Bryan in the title picture to begin with. They could have done just fine having him put on great matches and involving him in good storylines and the Bryan marks would have been completely satisfied. Then for some reason they decided it would be a good idea to let people think he was a legit contender who could compete with a guy like Cena to be one of the "faces of the company" and now that's what people expect. There's no going back.
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WWE's biggest mistake was putting Bryan in the title picture to begin with. They could have done just fine having him put on great matches and involving him in good storylines and the Bryan marks would have been completely satisfied. Then for some reason they decided it would be a good idea to let people think he was a legit contender who could compete with a guy like Cena to be one of the "faces of the company" and now that's what people expect. There's no going back.
If tiny Japanese men can beat Godzilla, Daniel Bryan can beat Batista.
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WWE's biggest mistake was putting Bryan in the title picture to begin with. They could have done just fine having him put on great matches and involving him in good storylines and the Bryan marks would have been completely satisfied. Then for some reason they decided it would be a good idea to let people think he was a legit contender who could compete with a guy like Cena to be one of the "faces of the company" and now that's what people expect. There's no going back.
lol how was that a mistake? Because you don't want him to be the champion?
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lol how was that a mistake? Because you don't want him to be the champion?
Because as of right now it seems like THEY do not want him as champion, which of course could be booking, as they want to turn the focus back to the big monsters
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lol how was that a mistake? Because you don't want him to be the champion?
No. Because they don't. The audience won't have it now though because they teased it too much and put it in their heads that it's a possibility. So they're probably gonna end up having to cave and give it to him anyway. Which will probably lead to a Benoit-style reign where he's holding the title while Cena is the real headliner for a few months because he's not viewed as an "A+ player".
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Yes but Godzilla will still always get top billing over the nameless tiny Japanese men.
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