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Old 07-13-2005, 06:47 PM   #81
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Old 07-13-2005, 06:49 PM   #82
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Who was it that brought up the fact that the crowd chanted "USA!" one time during a match and nether of the 4 competitors were American?
I believe this was a tag match between Edge/Benoit and La Resistance and the only American in the ring was Rob Conway.
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Old 07-13-2005, 07:07 PM   #83
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Wonder what all the marks are going to think about this.

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Who was it that brought up the fact that the crowd chanted "USA!" one time during a match and nether of the 4 competitors were American?
I remember the crowd was chanting "USA" when it was Brock, Angle and Hogan vs Big show and W.G.T.T.
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Who was it that brought up the fact that the crowd chanted "USA!" one time during a match and nether of the 4 competitors were American?
You're probably thinking of me. La Res vs Edge and Benoit. The only guy who was American was Conway (Who wasn't listed as from the US anyway), and they were cheering the Canadian faces with "USA! USA!"
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How could the crowd not cheer for Muhammad Hassan after that, he is 100% correct, he was telling the truth, I guess we can rely on the "American" Crowd to boo Hassan because he is telling the truth/Arabian.

That promo made me hate America.
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Wow, what a promo. I love that. Fired right back at idiotic writers and the fans. Excellent stuff.
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I wonder how the crowd would react to Hassan if Smackdown! were in another country like Canada...
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See, this is my only problem with the Hassan gimmick so far. When he 'performs' in an arena not in the States he should play up to the local crowd and further berate his treatment in America and perhaps state he wished America was more like, for example, Canada. Kinda how Bret Hart was a heel only in the US and a face elsewhere back in the day.

Great promo though.
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You're probably thinking of me. La Res vs Edge and Benoit. The only guy who was American was Conway (Who wasn't listed as from the US anyway), and they were cheering the Canadian faces with "USA! USA!"
THAT'S the one! I find that infintely hilarious to this very day. Marks are idiots.
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Old 07-13-2005, 09:48 PM   #93
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THAT'S the one! I find that infintely hilarious to this very day. Marks are idiots.
They've been doing that for years... I remember at Wrestlemania IX when it was Bret Hart Vs. Yokozuna and the morons were chanting USA...USA...USA and Heenan made the comment that Yoko was Japanese and Hart was Canadian
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Okay, so there were several that I was thinking of.

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How could the crowd not cheer for Muhammad Hassan after that, he is 100% correct, he was telling the truth, I guess we can rely on the "American" Crowd to boo Hassan because he is telling the truth/Arabian.

That promo made me hate America.
It's not because he's telling the truth, it's because he's telling an unpopular truth. Nobody (In this country) wants to admit that we're treating our own citizens unjustly, and nobody wants to be shown up for assuming those fat white guys were arab terrorists.

It's less about the truth and more about what we want to hear.
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THAT'S the one! I find that infintely hilarious to this very day. Marks are idiots.
And they will likely continue to be.
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"We heard you were talking about wrestling and using strange ethnic terms."

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Hassan is awesome.

Fans are so dumb. He's going off about he's an American, and all they can come up with is "USA USA", so ignorant, so racist.
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I would never chant "USA USA" at an American who is claiming he is an American.
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He should seriously just bust out and say " Are you people retarded I AM AMERICAN."
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I would never chant "USA USA" at an American who is claiming he is an American.
What's your point. You're whining about how stupid "Fans" are, not how stupid "racist bigoted fans who chant USA! at an American are."
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He should seriously just bust out and say " Are you people retarded I AM AMERICAN."
Can't remember who said it, but someone suggested he say "I'm from Detroit you idiots."

Remember though, that they're not chanting a nationality, but an idea/ideal. He's questioning that same ideal.
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What's your point. You're whining about how stupid "Fans" are, not how stupid "racist bigoted fans who chant USA! at an American are."
I'm not whining, I'm just pointing out that fans who chant that are really stupid or really racsist.

Does that bother you......are you one of those fans.....you are aren't you.
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I'm not whining, I'm just pointing out that fans who chant that are really stupid or really racsist.

Does that bother you......are you one of those fans.....you are aren't you.
Yes, I obviously am, because I pointed out that you said "fans" instead of targetting specific people.

For someone who's complaining about really stupid people, you don't read very well.

But that's okay. You're probably bitter. I understand this. I'm sure if my insider info was all guesswork and outdated material (TEH NET IS A SMALL FANBASE OR IT WAS FIVE YEARS AGO WHEN PEOPLE ACTUALLY LAST LOOKED AT IT! NOTHING HAS CHANGED), my nipples would be a little chafed too.

I feel for ya, man. You think you're special, and then you get punked. That's gotta hurt. And then, you get called on another stupid statement, one where you say "fans are stupid." And you really look like an ass. IT's okay. Go put on some Alanis Morrisette, put the gun in your mouth, and squeeze your tears away.
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Old 07-14-2005, 04:28 PM   #113
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Yes, I obviously am, because I pointed out that you said "fans" instead of targetting specific people.

For someone who's complaining about really stupid people, you don't read very well.

But that's okay. You're probably bitter. I understand this. I'm sure if my insider info was all guesswork and outdated material (TEH NET IS A SMALL FANBASE OR IT WAS FIVE YEARS AGO WHEN PEOPLE ACTUALLY LAST LOOKED AT IT! NOTHING HAS CHANGED), my nipples would be a little chafed too.

I feel for ya, man. You think you're special, and then you get punked. That's gotta hurt. And then, you get called on another stupid statement, one where you say "fans are stupid." And you really look like an ass. IT's okay. Go put on some Alanis Morrisette, put the gun in your mouth, and squeeze your tears away.
And I'm the one who is whining right?

So you think the Internet fanbase is a large portion of the WWE's total fanbase?

Do you think its larger than 10%, 25%, 50%?

I'd just like to know how offbase you really are.

If the Internet fanbase was so huge the entire arena would have been chanting for Hardy all these weeks, instead of a few hundred of them (if that).

Like I said Ive been to many shows, and some recently and Ive seen with my own eyes how small the portion of fans are that know about this inside stuff.
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Old 07-14-2005, 04:43 PM   #114
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I'd like to know your sources.

First off, I'm not whining. I'm mocking you, and there's a huge difference.

Second off, I've never claimed that there was a specific percentage of internet fans. I claimed you were running off the same outdated bullshit everyone else was running off of. Feel free to prove me wrong, because I'd love to know some hard numbers that don't come from a time when WCW was still running. Or for you to say something that wasn't safe and generic for once.

Basically, I care less about being right and more about your reliable factual information. I'm calling your bluff, Nick. If you know then give us a hard answer. If not, sit down, shut the fuck up, and be like every other mark on the net.

Third, I love how you simultaneously claim that I need to go to shows, and that I'm one of the people chanting USA. Not only can't you figure out that they're not chanting for a country (But rather an ideal), you can't figure out that both claims cannot be simultaneously true.

Fourth, so the small number of chants for HArdy are proof that the net fanbase is small? Well then, the HUGE pops for Hogan prove he's a draw. Come on Nick, you're going against your own logic for convenience. And using hearsay too, a bad way to make any argument.

Fifth: You were the ones who said fans were idiots. I must say, you're acting like a pretty big fan right now.
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Old 07-14-2005, 04:46 PM   #115
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Seeing that makes me ashamed im an American.. I mean you see that there are people in the crowd with " Get Out Of America " signs when he is from American he was born in America... Just to see how people can be so ignorant just pisses me off..
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I just wanna say that was a good promo
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I'd like to know your sources.

First off, I'm not whining. I'm mocking you, and there's a huge difference.

Second off, I've never claimed that there was a specific percentage of internet fans. I claimed you were running off the same outdated bullshit everyone else was running off of. Feel free to prove me wrong, because I'd love to know some hard numbers that don't come from a time when WCW was still running. Or for you to say something that wasn't safe and generic for once.

Basically, I care less about being right and more about your reliable factual information. I'm calling your bluff, Nick. If you know then give us a hard answer. If not, sit down, shut the fuck up, and be like every other mark on the net.

Third, I love how you simultaneously claim that I need to go to shows, and that I'm one of the people chanting USA. Not only can't you figure out that they're not chanting for a country (But rather an ideal), you can't figure out that both claims cannot be simultaneously true.

Fourth, so the small number of chants for HArdy are proof that the net fanbase is small? Well then, the HUGE pops for Hogan prove he's a draw. Come on Nick, you're going against your own logic for convenience. And using hearsay too, a bad way to make any argument.

Fifth: You were the ones who said fans were idiots. I must say, you're acting like a pretty big fan right now.
I was saying fans in the context of the promo Hassan cut at the SD tapings and the people who were chanting USA, those people are morons. For some reason you couldn't figure that out without having it spelled out to you.

The fact that the internet community is small can be proven in several ways. Read the WWE financials from time to time, they talk about Internet traffic for various things, and it rarely anything more than a couple hundred thousand. Their total fanbase going by their TV audience (its bigger because of non-US fans who do count in TV numbers but could be on wwe.com) is about 5 million. So, say there are 500,000 fans on wwe.com and 5 million total fans, Math 101 says that only 10%. And again, thats a number that skewed higher than it really is, as I mentioned.

Also, sites like this one and others have a very small number of users. Ive been to several sites that are considered popular and the majority of them have fewer viewers than this one does.

Listen to Internet/Radio shows about wrestling, every week you get the same people calling in, and I know from a reliable source that the numbers are not huge for any of those shows. Again, showing the Internet audience isn't all that big.

Finally, as I said, go to events and check out the number of people who will chant or yell stuff that that has to do with insider things. When I see a few hundred people out of 4 or 5 thousand, I can tell you its a small percentage. Even here in Toronto, which has a larger than average smark fanbase (which is why you get all the pro heel chants and whatnot) its still maybe at most 20% of the crowd that is into the chants, the rest of the crowd seem connfused by the whole thing.

I never once mentioend WCW, so I dont get where you're getting that from, but hey go ahead make up stuff if it helps you.

I can prove Hogan is not a draw by buyrates and attendance figures, I will also be able to prove that Hardy cant draw by the insignificant amount of interest this angle draws,a nd the fact that he wont drive numbers up. Again, if I'm wrong about that, I'll be the first to admit it.

The Hogan thing actually helps prove my point. Hogan gets 15 minute ovations from virtually the entire crowd, and yet that doesn't result in him doing big business. Its only logical that when a much smaller percentage of the audience is popping for something it will mean even less for business.

Pops really dont mean much, but all I was saying was that the people cheering for Hardy are a very small percentage of the total audience in the arenas, which is parallel to the fact that the Internet community (those who "get" this angle and those who were doing the chanting) is a very small percentage of the total WWE audince. For some reason I thought that would be an easy concept to grasp, but apparently its not.

KK, I appreciate the effort with you trying to "call my bluff" or whatever, you've got a good future kid, but you're fighting a losing battle. Stick to posting opinions, and leave me out of it.
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Just saw the Hassan promo and yes, his best promo yet. I just love how he said "I'm an American" and then the fans went "BOOOOOOO!!!" I was like wtf? Besides that, this promo was good so people, simmer down. This is only wrestling and they are fueding with a guy that has 'died' over 4 times now and can shoot lightning at people, so lighten up, media.
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