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Old 08-25-2005, 03:34 AM   #81
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LC is right. destor18 this is really one of those subjects that you need to get all your facts straight before you try having an in-depth discussion.

Hart had a long term deal with the WWF. Vince went to Bret and told him basically "We're broke. We can't afford to pay you this deal. Why don't you see if the WCW can get you a contract you'd be happy with?" At this point, Bret had every legal right to force McMahon and the WWF to live up to the term or buy-out the contract. Instead, he went to the WCW and got an offer.

That whole "One dollar more" stuff was Bret saying "Here's their initial offer. Match it. Give me one dollar more. I can get more from them, but I want to stay here....here's your chance to keep me."

Vince passed, and then the Screw Job went down. Bret Hart isn't a perfect human being. And he definitely is a bitter, bitter man sometimes. But the Montreal situation isn't just about Vince and HBK protecting the WWF name or not wanting to do the job or whatever. it was about the way Vince treated one of the most loyal, hard-working men the business has ever seen and about the fact that HBK was a two faced piece of shit who buried friend and foe alike to make himself look good; before there was a Triple H glass ceiling, there was an HBK who if he had had his way would've never had to 'share the spotlight' with guys like Foley, Austin or Rocky.

Back to topic: and that's exactly why I could give two shits if the SS ending pissed him off.
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Old 08-25-2005, 03:39 AM   #82
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Okay, two points.

One: The way A-Rod or Bonds act backstage is different because...Survey Says? Baseball isn't a staged performance!

See, there's the sticking point. Whether or not Hogan or Michaels wants to do the job, and hwo they handle themselves is more likely to directly affect what we see on TV.
Yeah...stupid to compare sports to wrestling. You can pretty much be the biggest asshole on the planet as long as you perform on the field.Or to put it this way...if the WWE were a football team, it wouldn't matter how many times Hogan went to the Pro Bowl in the 80's, he would've been cut 10 years ago.
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Old 08-25-2005, 06:10 AM   #83
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I think Hogan winning was ok.

I haven't seen the match but frankly it was obvious Hogan would win IMO.
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Old 08-25-2005, 06:28 AM   #84
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HBK should have gone away with it. If bret thought it was right to go to a rival company with out putting someone over hes a bigger dick than Hogan. Any how he would have thrown the title in the trash like Alundria blaze did. Vince & HBK did what had to be done.
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Old 08-25-2005, 11:09 AM   #85
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Just to ignore the big argument going on in this thread (everyone knows where I stand) and remark on the HBK/Hogan situation, it's so typical of HBK to immaturely vent his frustration on live TV. You think he'd handle the situation like an adult.
I would rather have him handle the situation the way he did, becasue it was hilarious.
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Old 08-25-2005, 11:24 AM   #86
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Thank you for correcting me. yes I was (pertaining to Masters). While watching his A&E biography "Hitman Bret Hart: Wrestling with Shadows" it showed the Hitman asking Vince to give him just one more dollar than WCW had offerd him. This led me to the notion he didnt care about WWF on the inside but the almighty dollar. By that rational I became of the opinion he would do as Blaze did and pitch the title, for the cash.
Or maybe Bret was looking for some reason to stay with the WWE.

If that's the best you have to condemn him upon, a one-sided, out of context notion that he wanted even one more dollar (Really sounds like he's being greedy, asking for a DOLLAR!), then it sounds more like an excuse for prejudicial judgement. What ever happened to having to ear disrespect and hatred, all that big talk only applies to Masters, not to anyone else? My, how our high and mighty morals wither in the cold light of day.
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Old 08-25-2005, 11:42 AM   #87
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I would rather have him handle the situation the way he did, becasue it was hilarious.
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Old 08-25-2005, 11:55 AM   #88
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Or maybe Bret was looking for some reason to stay with the WWE.

If that's the best you have to condemn him upon, a one-sided, out of context notion that he wanted even one more dollar (Really sounds like he's being greedy, asking for a DOLLAR!), then it sounds more like an excuse for prejudicial judgement. What ever happened to having to ear disrespect and hatred, all that big talk only applies to Masters, not to anyone else? My, how our high and mighty morals wither in the cold light of day.
Your focusing on the wrong parts of the story, the one dollar is not important, its the fact he left for money. If he truely was loyal he wouldnt have left when the WWF was the no. 2 company. But I dont feel like ruining yet ANOTHER thread, so im going to bow out of this aurgument. Youa ll are right, I was wrong. End of story.
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Your focusing on the wrong parts of the story, the one dollar is not important, its the fact he left for money. If he truely was loyal he wouldnt have left when the WWF was the no. 2 company. But I dont feel like ruining yet ANOTHER thread, so im going to bow out of this aurgument. Youa ll are right, I was wrong. End of story.
No, you took that out of context. It wasn't about the fucking dollar. Vince McMahon had previously refused to pay Bret Hart the amount of money that Vince and Bret had ALREADY signed a contract for, and so Vince suggested that Bret look to WCW for a job.

Towards the end of his WWF run, Bret REALLY wanted to stay with the company, and "give me one more dollar than their offer" was his way of saying "convince me to stay...please".

Please don't try to correct the people of this forum when by all appearances, it seems as though we had researched the matter more years ago than you have right now.
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Old 08-25-2005, 12:04 PM   #90
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Your focusing on the wrong parts of the story, the one dollar is not important, its the fact he left for money. If he truely was loyal he wouldnt have left when the WWF was the no. 2 company. But I dont feel like ruining yet ANOTHER thread, so im going to bow out of this aurgument. Youa ll are right, I was wrong. End of story.
Except I'm not the one who's posting ignorant to the facts already stated multiple times.
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Old 08-25-2005, 12:06 PM   #91
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Please don't try to correct the people of this forum when by all appearances, it seems as though we had researched the matter more years ago than you have right now.

I dunno man, five seconds of A&E, plus flipping burgers with WWE main eventers is pretty convincing evidence.
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I dunno man, five seconds of A&E, plus flipping burgers with WWE main eventers is pretty convincing evidence.
Good point.
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No, you took that out of context. It wasn't about the fucking dollar. Vince McMahon had previously refused to pay Bret Hart the amount of money that Vince and Bret had ALREADY signed a contract for, and so Vince suggested that Bret look to WCW for a job.

Towards the end of his WWF run, Bret REALLY wanted to stay with the company, and "give me one more dollar than their offer" was his way of saying "convince me to stay...please".

Please don't try to correct the people of this forum when by all appearances, it seems as though we had researched the matter more years ago than you have right now.
Man you guys dont know when you've won do you? YOU ARE RIGHT.... cant that be enough for you? Or are you that inclined to beat a dead horse straight though ground?
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Old 08-25-2005, 12:10 PM   #94
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Your focusing on the wrong parts of the story, the one dollar is not important, its the fact he left for money. If he truely was loyal he wouldnt have left when the WWF was the no. 2 company. But I dont feel like ruining yet ANOTHER thread, so im going to bow out of this aurgument. Youa ll are right, I was wrong. End of story.
Except you're still arguing, making this statement sound like "I'm right, but I'll let you have it."

When you stop arguing, you STOP ARGUING. You don't tell people they're missing the point, then devote a couple of the sentences at the end towards concession, because it doesn't sound legit.
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Can't be bothered with the whole Montreal incident. I don't really see what he's bothered about. In a few years no one will care about who won and lost that match but instead people will be talking about how Shawn carried Hogan to a very good, if not great match which is really what wrestling is all about. The quality of the work from each wrestler.
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Old 08-25-2005, 12:34 PM   #96
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Canadians will still care. They're gonna be chanting "You Screwed Bret" in 2097.

All part of that innovative creativity Canadian fans posess.
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