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Old 08-24-2005, 06:49 AM   #1
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HBK not happy with match at summerslam
For many fans, the quality of effort Shawn Michaels put into his match with Hulk Hogan likely gave the impression that he was thrilled to have the opportunity to work such a match. In reality, however, negotiations with Hulk Hogan brought the RAW superstar to a point of disgust.

Because Hulk Hogan's contract called for creative control, Shawn Michaels was powerless in trying to propose anything other than a clean victory for The Hulkster. Michaels, thinking he was skilled enough in backstage politics to go head-to-head with Hogan, ignored the advice from friends that he should work out a finish prior to agreeing to the match. That failure to take friendly advice would come back to haunt Michaels, as there was no way Hogan was going to accept anything other than a win with the legdrop. Vince McMahon eventually made it clear to HBK that the match was to be done Hogan's way.

While Michaels' late suggestion for a DQ finish was not considered, the idea of running a rematch at Unforgiven was. Thinking it would give each of the wrestlers the opportunity to get a victory, Michaels gladly signed off on the idea. Hogan, however, was not interested in doing the job. Hogan's idea was to win the initial Summerslam match, and then win a steel cage rematch by crawling out the door seconds before HBK climbed out from over the top of the cage. Michaels was certainly not interested in doing the job twice, so they went back to the original plan for a single match.

Michaels' sarcastic promo this week on RAW was his way of venting frustration related to the match. The interview saw Michaels mockingly suggest that Hogan's in-ring ability was just too superior to be touched.

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Old 08-24-2005, 06:56 AM   #2
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Even though I wouldn't of been in favour of a re-match, I hate Hogan even more for not wanting to atleast even up things abit, the fact that he wont do a job to HBK doesn't surprise me, it's just typical of a man with the ego of Hogan, what he doesn't realise is that if he didn't get the gimmick he has, he would never be where he is at today, yet he acts like he would've been, I find it hard to believe people still cheer this fucker.
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He should have jobbed. Seriously. HBK is not exactly the best example of a job machine, but at least he is going to elevate Chris Masters. BTW, the whole HBK/Hogan feud I was waiting for Shawn Michaels to say "I may have pinned Shelton Benjamin, but at least I had a good match with him...".
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Old 08-24-2005, 08:53 AM   #5
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Yeah, Hogan is VERY lucky to have been given the Hulk gimmick.
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Old 08-24-2005, 09:19 AM   #6
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hell if you had to make hulk hogan look like the greatest thing since sliced bread you would'nt be happy either

hbk made hogan fucking wrestle at summerslam and i damn well bet you the real reason hogan was'nt on raw was because he could'nt get his old ass out of bed
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Old 08-24-2005, 09:27 AM   #7
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Pot calling kettle black. Both use politics to get their way. The only reason why I feel bad for Shawn is at least he had the talent in the ring. Shawn made Hogan look great, it is sad that only a mere few will recognize that, but that is the world of wrestling.

To address another issue, in my opinion Hogan did get over because he was handed a great gimmick. However, Terry Bolea does contribute greatly to that character. I personally don't think just anyone could have made that character as successful as it has been. I've never been a Hogan fan, but he has something special that attracts people.
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Old 08-24-2005, 09:38 AM   #9
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Pot calling kettle black. Both use politics to get their way. The only reason why I feel bad for Shawn is at least he had the talent in the ring. Shawn made Hogan look great, it is sad that only a mere few will recognize that, but that is the world of wrestling.

To address another issue, in my opinion Hogan did get over because he was handed a great gimmick. However, Terry Bolea does contribute greatly to that character. I personally don't think just anyone could have made that character as successful as it has been. I've never been a Hogan fan, but he has something special that attracts people.
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Old 08-24-2005, 10:12 AM   #10
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hell if you had to make hulk hogan look like the greatest thing since sliced bread you would'nt be happy either

hbk made hogan fucking wrestle at summerslam and i damn well bet you the real reason hogan was'nt on raw was because he could'nt get his old ass out of bed
Yeah, it wouldn't have anything at all to do with the fact that he nor the WWE had any plans on him working beyond SummerSlam.

But anyway, I feel SO sorry for Shawn Michaels. Michaels would never use any stroke to ensure that a match finish benefitted him, especially not at the expense of his opponent.
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at first i heard the plan was for hogan to work the night after raw and then not be back for awhile but all of a sudden that changed
thats why i said what i did
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at first i heard the plan was for hogan to work the night after raw and then not be back for awhile but all of a sudden that changed
thats why i said what i did
Conflicting reports on the internet will always have you reading different things, but most stuff I read had Hogan not appearing beyond SummerSlam.
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Yeah, it wouldn't have anything at all to do with the fact that he nor the WWE had any plans on him working beyond SummerSlam.

But anyway, I feel SO sorry for Shawn Michaels. Michaels would never use any stroke to ensure that a match finish benefitted him, especially not at the expense of his opponent.
Somewhere, Bret Hart is smiling.

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Old 08-24-2005, 10:31 AM   #15
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hell if you had to make hulk hogan look like the greatest thing since sliced bread you would'nt be happy either

hbk made hogan fucking wrestle at summerslam and i damn well bet you the real reason hogan was'nt on raw was because he could'nt get his old ass out of bed
HBK didn't make him wrestle. He made him look like a good wrestler.
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O well

HBK is still the man.
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Old 08-24-2005, 12:21 PM   #17
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Obviously I didnt' know what was going on backstage involving this match. I seriously had no idea who was going to win although I predicted Hogan would because he never loses because well, he has all the stroke. Come Raw this past monday I totally felt like something was up. That promo HBK cut before Masters came out was gold. It proved that he was legitimately pissed off. I love HBK with a live mic.
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Yeah, hard to feel bad for a guy who's spent his career playing the same games.
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HBK is great when it comes to mini-shoots.

My favorite is still him going off on the bad angles, ala Katie Vick with Hunter banging the "corpse" in the coffin.

Bischoff: What's wrong Shawn, does that offend you as a Chrisitian?

Shawn: No Eric, that offends me as a wrestling fan.
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lol, I find this hillarious given Shawn's past
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I am trying not to feel bad for Shawn on this one (Bret Hart anyone?) but I find it funny that as soon as anyone brought up the idea of a rematch... Hogan said that he had to win that one too.

Forget Orton beating Hogan (unless Cowboy Bob gets a favor done).

The thing that bothers me is that Shawn is STILL fresh in the ring and could possibly have another title run or two left in him... What does Hogan have left to accomplish? Honestly.
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Bret won't be smiling since he hates both men and all.
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HBK in his prime didn't like to Job either but atleast he worked his ass off and made his opponent look good.You can put a wrestler over without losing.Hogan on the other hand didn't do squat in that match and made HBK look bad by having him lay on the mat for 5 minutes after getting the big boot and then wait for the vicious leg drop.lol

Make no mistake about it though, everyone knows who the better man was at Summerslam and it wasn't Hogan.See the crowd boo last night when HBK said Hogan was the better man at SS.
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I don't really feel bad for Shawn, since this is Karma. On the other hand, Hogan's just an asshole plain and simple. I waiting for the day he gets his.

Looks like HBK got his on Sunday... or at least part of his.
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Hogan will get his once his daughter grows up and turns into a Paris Hilton type useless whore who's more famous for being famous and for who she's fucking then for anything she's actually done...and then years down the road she'll go on Oprah and blame it on the way Hulk publicly humiliated her by callingher fat and lazy on their TN reality show any time she picked up a cookie.
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The WWE is feeling very strong about a Hogan/Austin match at Wrestlemania. If they are going to do this, I can see why Hogan beat HBK, just so Hogan doesn't appear like the jobbing old man he was back in 2002.
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Stuff like this really makes me wonder what kind of dirt Kurt Angle had on Hogan prior to the 2002 King of the Ring.
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Stuff like this really makes me wonder what kind of dirt Kurt Angle had on Hogan prior to the 2002 King of the Ring.
Honestly, I think it was one of the few times Hogan actually reconized the ability of a fellow wrestler............., Im sorry. I didnt even beleive that bs.
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Old 08-24-2005, 05:46 PM   #32
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Although HBK has played some of the same games in the past I believe that he earned his sway by working his ass off and by constantly having classic match after classic match. Hogan was just selected to have the "Goldberg gimmick" of his time and never really had much special going for him except for a golden work ethic at the gym.HBK will go down in history for his golden mic skills and his unparralled athleticism while Hogan will go down in history as a living, breathing gimmick.

The fact that Hogan refused to do the job is not surprising, but it is disgusting just the same. Shawn is 5 times the performer and ten times the athlete that Hogan ever was. At least when Shawn was getting his way, he would always deliver no matter what. Even now, he puts on a great match. Hogan should've retired 5 years ago....
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Old 08-24-2005, 06:51 PM   #34
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I am trying not to feel bad for Shawn on this one (Bret Hart anyone?) but I find it funny that as soon as anyone brought up the idea of a rematch... Hogan said that he had to win that one too.

Forget Orton beating Hogan (unless Cowboy Bob gets a favor done).

The thing that bothers me is that Shawn is STILL fresh in the ring and could possibly have another title run or two left in him... What does Hogan have left to accomplish? Honestly.
Quick Question.

What does Michaels lose from jobbing clean to Hogan? Does he look worse to smarks, or the marks who pop for Hogan?

I'm not a fan of Hogan winning, but this doesn't really hurt much. Even if Michael won, he wouldn't be "put over" and he wouldnt'benefit from it anyway.

Michaels got what he deserved for being dumb enough to play politics with Hogan.

Hogan gets what he wants.

And we get stuck with the results, good or bad.
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Old 08-24-2005, 06:53 PM   #35
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Meh....it was an ok match from Hogan, an excellent match from Shawn. that's all there is too it.
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I don't feel bad for Shawn, I feel bad that the fans had to deal with Hogan winning, and his orange hair. The over-selling on Shawn's part made me gag...
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Old 08-24-2005, 07:57 PM   #37
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I don't feel bad for Shawn, I feel bad that the fans had to deal with Hogan winning, and his orange hair. The over-selling on Shawn's part made me gag...
I think he was overselling on purpose... well obviosuly on purpose but I mean.. to make the point that Hogan has 'unbelievable strength' stand out more than usually, I think he was making a joke out of it..
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Old 08-24-2005, 08:09 PM   #38
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Although HBK has played some of the same games in the past I believe that he earned his sway by working his ass off and by constantly having classic match after classic match. Hogan was just selected to have the "Goldberg gimmick" of his time and never really had much special going for him except for a golden work ethic at the gym. HBK will go down in history for his golden mic skills and his unparralled athleticism while Hogan will go down in history as a living, breathing gimmick.

The fact that Hogan refused to do the job is not surprising, but it is disgusting just the same. Shawn is 5 times the performer and ten times the athlete that Hogan ever was. At least when Shawn was getting his way, he would always deliver no matter what. Even now, he puts on a great match. Hogan should've retired 5 years ago....
I'd like to elaborate on this, from the other side of the table.

It's funny to hear anyone say that Shawn earned what he got. Only if earn means to cry, bitch, whine, moan and complain until someone gives in. Then he definitely earned his way. Classic matches have little to no impact on a spot on the roster; especially in the last 20 years. If they did, WWE would have never fucked Bret Hart over; and the same could be said for Savage and others.

Hogan may have had the "Goldberg" gimmick, but he also had the charisma and ability to pull it off. If just anyone could pull off the gimmick, it wouldn't matter who you put it on. It definitely does.

On the history point, HBK will go down in WWE and wrestling history (and will go down on anyone to get a push - ). Hogan will go down in history in general, as he's instantly recognized all over the world and has been marketed on just about every type of merchandise possible for someone to be featured in / on.
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Somewhere, Bret Hart is smiling.

and I repeat: I LOVE KARMA!
Yes because it was HBKs decision to screw bret.
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Old 08-24-2005, 09:32 PM   #40
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He didn't have to go along with it. Which I belive is what Bret is so angry about.
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