Nintendo Revolution controller

[Kalyx triaD]

We should've seen this coming! Nintendo's last couple of peripherals resulted in making us gamers look more like losers than the general population already labeled us. Using a 'stylus'? A 'bongo controller'? Screaming into a mike for Mario Party? They've been giving us clues for a while.

[Gerard]

Originally Posted by G ^ What springs to mind is what kind of effect will "doing your own knife edge chops" have with parents nowadays?

If they complain just hit them with a few chops of your own.

[G]

Yes, because violence is the answer.


Didn't you learn anything in school?

[Ninti the Mad]

Umm, I dont see how that controller iwll do all that.

They should just release a 3d headset with some gloves if they want to do something awesome.

[Shaved Monkey]

I'm going to wait until it comes out to officially pass judgement, but I have this sinking feeling that this is going to be worse than the Virtual Boy.

[Gerard]

Originally Posted by G Didn't you learn anything in school?

I learned how to chop, and very effective it is too.

[DS]

I tempted to see what happens with ports. If you'll need all new coding or if the system takes care of that itself. This isn't just a bad idea for players but this would cause developers to come up with a whole different product in order to get them to the Revolution. We all know how the 3rd party support is with Nintendo already, I'm afraid this could be one of the final blows.

[Jason Cage]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight ? Even over the invention of spray on hair, cloned pets, and techno?

At least techno you get for free. This piece of impending poop will cost like 500 "bones or clams, or whatever you call them."

[G]

*dollars

[Gerard]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...edown/revo.swf

[Jonster]

Originally Posted by Jason Cage They have no idea what the fuck they're doing. All you gotta do is look at the pictures and then compare them to old remotes. Now, when the joystick is being used by one hand, the other holds the remote...and it's pretty fuckin ridiculous cause since the inauguration of time, you've always needed access to several buttons while playing with the joystick...and making the remote vertical is even worse. i mean how in the shit are you suppsoed to reach the buttons when youre doing something fast. Say for instance, when you jump and kick in mid-air. You need easy access to two buttons to do that...and this remote does not give you that. It just won't work. Stupidest fuckin creation ever.

And you do?

If you're just using the remote, you have easy acess to two buttons. What's that, a big A button on the front, and a big B button on the back. Why that's two buttons right there, oh my.
Who's to say you'll even need a button to jump, when you could just lift the controller, then you only need one button (for kick - in your example).
The joystick, which doesn't have to be used, has two extra buttons on the front of it as well.

I just realised it's a quite clever design in that it can be used equally by left and right-handed people.

Originally Posted by DS I tempted to see what happens with ports. If you'll need all new coding or if the system takes care of that itself. This isn't just a bad idea for players but this would cause developers to come up with a whole different product in order to get them to the Revolution. We all know how the 3rd party support is with Nintendo already, I'm afraid this could be one of the final blows.

But oh wait, what's that on page 2, a link to an interview with Nintendo Europe's Senior Marketing Director saying that there will be a more tradional controller to go with it as well.

Here's the link again, seeing how you missed it the first time:
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=60917
And if you're too lazy to even click the link, here's the exact question and answer for you, to which I am referring:

Originally Posted by That link right there Eurogamer: How is the controller going to work with games that aren't designed specifically for the Revolution - multi-platform titles and so on? Jim Merrick: We're producing a classic-style expansion controller, based on traditional designs like the Gamecube controller. It's like a shell with a hole in the top into which you slot the freehand-style controller, and then you can play third-party ported games, and retro Nintendo games you've downloaded.

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Because it IS a remote control. Nintendo didn't do this to be revolutionary, they did it to be "cheap." Cost effectiveness is one of their big things, so that they don't get killed taking a hit on each system sold. Once they add a tilt censor, "ZOMG! ITS REVOLUTIONARY!"

Because it's just a tilt sensor they've added
They've created a truely 3d controller, something that will take away from the abstractness of the current 2d controllers and be accessable to more people.



I think that it will be a good thing for games, I think it's a brave move by Nintendo.
I remember the time when the first shots of the N64 pad were released, and people hated that and the idea of an analogue stick. Now look at pads.
Of course final judgement will be reserved until I play the thing, but I think a lot of good original games will come from it.

[G]

I saw someone post on gamefaqs that same N64 controller argument. Almost word for word.

[G]

But I'm with you by saying this will be the goods.

[Jonster]

Originally Posted by G I saw someone post on gamefaqs that same N64 controller argument. Almost word for word.

Feck, I haven't been on Gamefaqs for days.
My thought process has become that bad?

[G]

NTL, it's true though. Lots of people made fun of the shape of it, but looked how well it turned out.

[DS]

You're correct Jonster, I was too lazy to click the link. If I had some sort of remote I could have pointed at it with that could be used for Microsoft's browser it would have been so much easier and entertaining. But then again, I use a 3rd party browser. Does that mean I'd have to buy a whole new pointing device, such as a mouse, in order to get full features?

[G]

*new

[DS]

Thank you Grammer Garth.

[G]

Double G

[Jonster]

Originally Posted by DS You're correct Jonster, I was too lazy to click the link. If I had some sort of remote I could have pointed at it with that could be used for Microsoft's browser it would have been so much easier and entertaining. But then again, I use a 3rd party browser. Does that mean I'd have to buy a whole knew pointing device, such as a mouse, in order to get full features?

1) The italicized sentence makes no sense. However you already have a mouse to click it with.

2) I know what you're getting at with the rest of it, but you're being kinda silly with the 3rd party browser/mouse analogy. There are many types of keyboard and pointing devices for computers, however they all run through the same standards to work, and the software is designed with that in mind. Besides browser software isn't responsible for those types of inputs, it's handled by the operating system.

They haven't said whether or not the more traditional controller will be included with the console or not, but I would imagine so due to people seemingly fearing change.

3) Oh and it's new not knew.

[Jonster]

G beat me to new.

[DS]

I think your best arguement in that whole post was the fact you corrected my grammer. I'm sorry the mistake was unable to get my point across, and I have fixed the mistake. You're right, the analogy sounds ridiculous, but so does the thought of having to have seperate controllers for different games.

How has Sony's EyeToy done? Not so well. So who is to say this is innovating. It's the same thing right? You use your movements to play the games.

The thing I don't understand is why you are taking this so personal. I stated in the first post that I haven't held one so I am not going to say it won't work, but my first impressions are unwanting. Sorry if I offended you. I also took extra precaution to have proper grammer in this post, as we all know the internet is not a place for mistakes.

[Jason Cage]

[QUOTE=Jonster]And you do?

If you're just using the remote, you have easy acess to two buttons. What's that, a big A button on the front, and a big B button on the back. Why that's two buttons right there, oh my.
Who's to say you'll even need a button to jump, when you could just lift the controller, then you only need one button (for kick - in your example).
The joystick, which doesn't have to be used, has two extra buttons on the front of it as well.


My point was that for certain games, such as wrestling, results may vary.

because for games such as wrestling, you need access to all buttons, yes? And holding the controller like a cock is not a very comfortable way.

Also, on the "jump and kick" example...controls for games like Devil May cry are crucial. You start blasting them with Triangle, then jump and keep blasting with triangle, then press R1 to change weapon and keep blasting.

You see for such games you need to be fast with handling, and having 2 buttons like 3 feet away form the A button is not gonna help.

[DS]

Also, what about carpal tunnel syndrome? Do they have that in Japan or are they in for a surprise when it's released?

I wonder if they gave this to a focus group as well and if it actually passed. I hope there isn't a website that answers all these common questions, that I just happen to have as well, that I'm missing.

[Jonster]

Originally Posted by DS I think your best arguement in that whole post was the fact you corrected my grammer. I'm sorry the mistake was unable to get my point across, and I have fixed the mistake. You're right, the analogy sounds ridiculous, but so does the thought of having to have seperate controllers for different games. How has Sony's EyeToy done? Not so well. So who is to say this is innovating. It's the same thing right? You use your movements to play the games. The thing I don't understand is why you are taking this so personal. I stated in the first post that I haven't held one so I am not going to say it won't work, but my first impressions are unwanting. Sorry if I offended you. I also took extra precaution to have proper grammer in this post, as we all know the internet is not a place for mistakes.

I'm suprised you thought I took it personally, I didn't, you just put my name in the last post so I replied. Not offended in the slightest, just annoys me when people say things without all the facts (that have been put out there).

If the console comes with the traditional controller, the remote and the analogue expansion, then that's all you'll need right there. The traditional controller will have an analogue stick on it and the remote fits into it, so could still be used for anything that needs it.
Anything that needs more would be released with the game if need be. The Eyetoy was still a standard price game, even with the extra hardware needed to use it.

You're right that it's similiar to the Eyetoy in that it uses movement to play games, but the eyetoy only recognises movement and was a pain to use if you weren't against a plainish background, the Revolution controller recognises position and movement in 3D. And I can instantly think that the latter will have more uses than jumping around in front of a camera.


Oh and it's grammar
Sorry

[Jonster]

Originally Posted by DS Also, what about carpal tunnel syndrome? Do they have that in Japan or are they in for a surprise when it's released? I wonder if they gave this to a focus group as well and if it actually passed. I hope there isn't a website that answers all these common questions, that I just happen to have as well, that I'm missing.

It's my understanding that people with carpal tunnel syndrome may have trouble playing video games anyway.

[Jonster]

Originally Posted by Jason Cage My point was that for certain games, such as wrestling, results may vary. because for games such as wrestling, you need access to all buttons, yes? And holding the controller like a cock is not a very comfortable way. Also, on the "jump and kick" example...controls for games like Devil May cry are crucial. You start blasting them with Triangle, then jump and keep blasting with triangle, then press R1 to change weapon and keep blasting. You see for such games you need to be fast with handling, and having 2 buttons like 3 feet away form the A button is not gonna help.

See, and I'm gonna use an analogy here, it's kind of like the DS.
There are games that use the touch screen for main control, but not every game uses the touch screen this way, nor do they have to, which is like the Revolution controller. The remote controller is there, but doesn't have to be used.

At the end of the day it's going to come down to how well the games use the devices and how well their imaginations work when coming up with ideas.

[DS]

I didn't say anything about spelling.

I meant that this could cause carpal tunnel with the constant wrist flicking and movement. After watching the conference and the video they played, I believe they are going to be using the controller for the next Mario game and we all know how much you have to jump in a Mario game.

Again, I haven't tried it so I don't know how it will feel, but there seems to be a lot of concern from all types of gamers.

[packt up]

It seems to me like this is a truly terrible idea. I bet no-one has ever picked up their remote and gone "wow if this was a controller it would be great". If anyone has been on one of those airplanes with games in the headsets then you'll also have some experience. Basically its a phone (practically same shape as a remote) and a controller in one. And its shit. But you know you're stuck on a 12hr flight and its free so you don't care.

Also all this "movement is great" idea is a bit rubbish. Eyetoys as mentioned have proven to be temperamental at best. EVEN IF movement is improved why go down such a shitty shaped route. The technology could have been put into a conventional shaped controller. WIN WIN. Why does it NEED to be this awful shape.

[G]

I can't wait until the Revolution comes out.

[Jason Cage]

when DOES it come out? All this controller talk and the thought never even occured to me.

[DS]

Not for a while. They said that if you go to E3 and you don't play a Revolution game then it's they would be surprised. So they will at least have playable versions by summer next year. Maybe around this time next year or so.

[G]

It's definantly going to be the last one released. Sucks I know.

[road doggy dogg]

*jumps back on Nintendo bandwagon*

[G]

Nintendo 4 life

[G]

Of all the controllers of this gen, I love the Gamecube's 141354325x more than the others.

[Boomer]

Besides the fact that it looks pretty stupid just shoved in there, I guess you get the best of both worlds.

[Funky Fly]

Now that's more like it. They better make that D-pad bigger, though. It's retardedly small on the GC pad.

[Loose Cannon]

AHHHHHH, There we go!!

Refreshed.

[Vietnamese Crippler]

I just saw that on IGNCube, too bad it's not the real thing though because that would be awesome

But there will be a controller cradle, so it's all good