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Old 02-28-2006, 11:17 PM   #81
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NO, we are not "retarded" or stupid for thinking that the WWE could be pulling the biggest swerve ever in history, regardless of these people who seem to think that if we even hint at considering that it could happen that we don't deserve to be posting here (and THAT has to stop).
Yes, you are.

This is like trying to argue that the Earth is flat. It is totally retarded to be entertaining this notion.
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Old 02-28-2006, 11:31 PM   #82
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Yes, you are.

This is like trying to argue that the Earth is flat. It is totally retarded to be entertaining this notion.
Wow...you and I have been disagreeing with alot lately, but alas...I, too, don't think it has a chance in HELL of happening. Not saying that I wouldn't expect the WWE to try it.

Wouldn't it be nice, though? I halfway WISH that there was a possibility, because the death still seems surreal to me, as if it shouldn't have happened, and as if it never DID happen, in a way. That's how it's been to me. While I'm not going to say that it has a chance of happening that Eddie would be like Elvis and have life after death in more ways than one, but I WISH it were true. I just say, give some people a break, as they haven't been able to come to terms with the loss just yet.
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Old 02-28-2006, 11:47 PM   #83
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Wow...you and I have been disagreeing with alot lately
You're defending and entertaining a possibility that is only feasible if you accept that everything that's happened in the history of wrestling could have been a work.

I don't know why I even need to defend why I would opposed this sentiment, and assert that it was totally fucking stupid. IT's like arguing that Vince swerved us with their steroid scandal in the 80s, and it was all some swerve in order to put HArt and Michaels over. It's like claiming Owen Hart was assassinated, or Bret hart was never really crippled.

Sure, you can assert any of this is possible. You can assert 1+1 is 5, the sky is green, and that Triple H "held down" JFK, but it doesn't make it any more true simply because someone holds out a remote wild possibility with little actual basis to even state it.
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Old 02-28-2006, 11:49 PM   #84
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Isn't he a zombie? I mean, he's the dead man, when did he ever come back FROM the dead? He's still dead.
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Old 02-28-2006, 11:55 PM   #85
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You're defending and entertaining a possibility that is only feasible if you accept that everything that's happened in the history of wrestling could have been a work.

I don't know why I even need to defend why I would opposed this sentiment, and assert that it was totally fucking stupid. IT's like arguing that Vince swerved us with their steroid scandal in the 80s, and it was all some swerve in order to put HArt and Michaels over. It's like claiming Owen Hart was assassinated, or Bret hart was never really crippled.

Sure, you can assert any of this is possible. You can assert 1+1 is 5, the sky is green, and that Triple H "held down" JFK, but it doesn't make it any more true simply because someone holds out a remote wild possibility with little actual basis to even state it.
Never really said I defended such a thing. Just saying I wouldn't put it past the WWE to pull something like that judging from what I've been seeing lately out of their camp. That and the continued analysis of the article in question is so heated right now. Just shows the passion some people have for this topic, I guess.

Now, let's say for a second that when WM 22 comes around, that during the Triple Threat match, we see Eddie come down the asile alive and well, and we're ALL eating our words. What would the state of the WWE be in, no, ALL of pro-wrestling, be in at that very second? Would it be the ULTIMATE low point to fake a death to get publicity or to gain someone pops or heat? Or would it be the best thing we've ever seen? And what about, saying that we end up seeing it at WM 22, the state of Eddie's career from then on out (again, assuming that this is all the biggest work EVER)? Would it take a huge nose-dive in respect? Or is it his ticket to full respect?

See, now I'm wondering what IF it were true.
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Old 02-28-2006, 11:56 PM   #86
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You're defending and entertaining a possibility that is only feasible if you accept that everything that's happened in the history of wrestling could have been a work.

I don't know why I even need to defend why I would opposed this sentiment, and assert that it was totally fucking stupid. IT's like arguing that Vince swerved us with their steroid scandal in the 80s, and it was all some swerve in order to put HArt and Michaels over. It's like claiming Owen Hart was assassinated, or Bret hart was never really crippled.

Sure, you can assert any of this is possible. You can assert 1+1 is 5, the sky is green, and that Triple H "held down" JFK, but it doesn't make it any more true simply because someone holds out a remote wild possibility with little actual basis to even state it.
Are you sure Triple H didn't hold JFK down?
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Old 03-01-2006, 12:01 AM   #87
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Are you sure Triple H didn't hold JFK down?
Hmm...now that I think of it....he may have held Jesus down, too.
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Old 03-01-2006, 12:02 AM   #88
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NO, we are not "retarded" or stupid for thinking that the WWE could be pulling the biggest swerve ever in history
You're right. I don't see anything that might indicate you were entertaining the notion.
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Old 03-01-2006, 12:28 AM   #89
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You're right. I don't see anything that might indicate you were entertaining the notion.


I said that because that's the way alot of people were thinking within this thread. There were many people that, while maybe they knew that Eddie couldn't possibly have survived, that there was such a slim possibility, and they, too, wouldn't put it past the WWE, either.

Hell, this is the same company that survived Katie Vick and Al Wilson and repetitve images of everyone sucking on Triple H's cock. Surely they might believe that they are invicible if they are still standing after alot of stuff like THAT? Invicible enough to do a "Eddie's fake death" angle, maybe, if that would be something they would actually plan.

I'm just saying when it comes to the WWE lately, I'm with whoever said it, it's hard to distinguish work from shoot or fiction from reality anymore.
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Old 03-01-2006, 02:39 AM   #90
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Could this man be Eddie Guerrero?
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Old 03-01-2006, 02:54 AM   #91
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I still don't know what to think about this. I agree with a few others that Vince McMahon would be someone to try to pull a stunt like this, but I believe it would be an all time low if somehow this was true. A bunch of people have been affected. And with the show Eddie was on, Smackdown, mainly is the family show with a bunch of kids in the audience. If somehow this was all true with being a work, then there would be a backlash from fans and everyone else.

Another thing is the reasoning why they have been dragging his death for so long. It's like the WWE keeps reminding us that Eddie is gone. Not to mention that there have been many odd occurences since Eddie's death. And for some reason, most of it revolves around Randy Orton. Orton took Eddie's spot on the Survivor Series team and won, crashed Eddie's car trying to "kill" The Undertaker, and now has been making all of these comments relating to where Eddie is right now.
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Oh, I'll do you all one better.

Eddie Guerrero's not dead. He can't die. Do you know why, esse?








BECAUSE HE'S THE DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS GOD OF TRICKERY!


He lies, he cheats, he grants your spells per day, esse! ODALAY! OLIDAMMARA!
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...Regardless of these people who seem to think that if we even hint at considering that it could happen that we don't deserve to be posting here (and THAT has to stop).
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Old 03-01-2006, 10:43 AM   #95
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I said that because that's the way alot of people were thinking within this thread. There were many people that, while maybe they knew that Eddie couldn't possibly have survived, that there was such a slim possibility, and they, too, wouldn't put it past the WWE, either.

Hell, this is the same company that survived Katie Vick and Al Wilson and repetitve images of everyone sucking on Triple H's cock. Surely they might believe that they are invicible if they are still standing after alot of stuff like THAT? Invicible enough to do a "Eddie's fake death" angle, maybe, if that would be something they would actually plan.

I'm just saying when it comes to the WWE lately, I'm with whoever said it, it's hard to distinguish work from shoot or fiction from reality anymore.
And that, my friend, is retarded.

They would have had to have worked a lot of people, including the media, for this to work. It's a stretch to go from the "Worked shoot" attitude or "Katie Vick" to get to "Eddie is alive and well."

You're also missing a huge element of whether it "could" happen. The question isn't only "could they do it?" In terms of morality or whether Vince thinks he's invincible. Of course Vince has the balls and thinks he can get away with it. He thinks he's PT Barnum, when he's not even a PT cruiser.


No. The question is "could they, logistically, do it?" The answer is no. And just because Vince might be macabre enough to think he could does not mean he had a chance in Hell of effectively pulling this off.

You're defending that which is about as probable as Back to the Future being a work of science fact. On some level, it's possible, but the liklihood is remote. OJ's wife could have been murder/suicide.


These are conspiracy theories at best, and wild even amongst THAT category. The Tupac conspiracy had more validity, and it was baseless as all fuck.

I wouldn't put it past WWE to try and pull this off, but note I said "try." While I think it's something they'd stoop low enough to try it, that is nowhere near enough to give it credibility on any scale. If people are justifying this with "well it's hard to tell what's real and what isn't anymore," Then it's not because WWE has fooled them, it's because they're fucking stupid and have no grip on reality period.
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Old 03-01-2006, 10:44 AM   #96
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Eddie Guerrero's not dead. He can't die. Do you know why, esse?








BECAUSE HE'S THE DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS GOD OF TRICKERY!


He lies, he cheats, he grants your spells per day, esse! ODALAY! OLIDAMMARA!
You know what?

Out-Nerding me is NOT something to be proud of.
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Old 03-01-2006, 12:49 PM   #97
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I wasn't going to pot in this thread because of just how insanely stupid the notion of Eddie's death being a work would be. The article is both factually incorrect, totally subjective, and completely paranoid. Chavo was too composed? Some of the roster loked like they were acting? Yeah, those are great 'facts' to base your reasoning.

And then the people saying, "WELL VINCE IS JUST ENOUGH OF AN ASSHOLE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS!!!" Well, maybe he is. But Eddie isn't.

Eddie Guerrero was not the kind of person to do a storylne that was as emotionally devastating for the fans who supported him through the years through all his personal demons.

And if you were willing to believe or buy into this theory just because you were saddened by Eddie's death, I feel for you. But how quickly would you opinion of the man change when you realize the people that something like this affected: those backstage who didn't know, those in the industry who worked with Eddie in the past and didn't know, and of course, the fans.

Believing this is believing that Eddie Guerrero is the kind of person that would be willing to cause thousands of people unnecessary pain for the sake of a wrestling angle.

So,yeah, you guys are retards.
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OMG Would you all shut up?

Someone close this thread.

He is fucking dead you disrespectful bastards.
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I wasn't going to pot in this thread because of just how insanely stupid the notion of Eddie's death being a work would be. The article is both factually incorrect, totally subjective, and completely paranoid. Chavo was too composed? Some of the roster loked like they were acting? Yeah, those are great 'facts' to base your reasoning.

And then the people saying, "WELL VINCE IS JUST ENOUGH OF AN ASSHOLE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS!!!" Well, maybe he is. But Eddie isn't.

Eddie Guerrero was not the kind of person to do a storylne that was as emotionally devastating for the fans who supported him through the years through all his personal demons.

And if you were willing to believe or buy into this theory just because you were saddened by Eddie's death, I feel for you. But how quickly would you opinion of the man change when you realize the people that something like this affected: those backstage who didn't know, those in the industry who worked with Eddie in the past and didn't know, and of course, the fans.

Believing this is believing that Eddie Guerrero is the kind of person that would be willing to cause thousands of people unnecessary pain for the sake of a wrestling angle.

So,yeah, you guys are retards.
Well said.

I will admit I was intrigued of the notion from that story that Eddie might still be alive... However, now that I think about it after reading the above quote that sadly Eddie Guerrero is dead and isn't coming back.
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I wasn't going to pot in this thread because of just how insanely stupid the notion of Eddie's death being a work would be.
Agreed, this discussion seemingly needs no discussion.

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The article is both factually incorrect, totally subjective, and completely paranoid. Chavo was too composed? Some of the roster loked like they were acting? Yeah, those are great 'facts' to base your reasoning.
True story.

My friend lsot his dad One year before this last Christmas. Now I stood in front of his open casket and saw the body, and his son was WAY more composed than Chavo...And he told me on CHRISTMAS and was still more composed. Anyone retarded enough to use the logic that Chavo wasn't emotional enough needs to be removed from the gene pool.

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And then the people saying, "WELL VINCE IS JUST ENOUGH OF AN ASSHOLE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS!!!" Well, maybe he is. But Eddie isn't.

Eddie Guerrero was not the kind of person to do a storylne that was as emotionally devastating for the fans who supported him through the years through all his personal demons.
And even if he was, there's no way his friends are good enough actors to break down like that on cue. I love Benoit, but that was as close as one gets to a sure thing in life.

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And if you were willing to believe or buy into this theory just because you were saddened by Eddie's death, I feel for you. But how quickly would you opinion of the man change when you realize the people that something like this affected: those backstage who didn't know, those in the industry who worked with Eddie in the past and didn't know, and of course, the fans.
Which brings it beyond retarded, honestly.
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Yeah, but is it retarded to at least discuss the "WHAT IF" part of it all?
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Old 03-01-2006, 05:59 PM   #103
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So we're only allowed to insult people and come across as a know it all douchebag after we've hit 80,000 posts? Gotcha.
No, moron. Can you read? I was making the point that he hadn't been here very long and already has quite a bit of negative rep. Most humans would make the logical conclusion that, therefore, he is not doing so well. Yes? That was all I was saying.
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Old 03-01-2006, 06:10 PM   #104
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People who still think Eddie is alive are either in serious denial about the whole thing or are just complete fucking idiots.

Vince might be a complete cock with most storylines, but he is smart enough not to go this route.
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Old 03-01-2006, 06:15 PM   #105
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Old 03-01-2006, 06:25 PM   #106
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Why are so many people calling for this thread to be closed? It doesn't violate any TPWW rules as far as I can see. The thread isn't of an annoying quality a la wwefan4life et. al. It merits discussion (which is DIFFERENT than claiming that it's all true -- it's just DISCUSSION).
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I think its the fact that the subject matter is just as retarded as wwefan4life et. al.
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Old 03-01-2006, 06:49 PM   #108
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No, moron. Can you read? I was making the point that he hadn't been here very long and already has quite a bit of negative rep. Most humans would make the logical conclusion that, therefore, he is not doing so well. Yes? That was all I was saying.
So posts insulting people are funny by people with 80,000 posts, but posts insulting people by anyone under a 100 posts get's you a negative rep? Is that the "logical conclusion" moron? I can read just fine and from what I've read, you don't feel the need to depants anyone other than this new guy....yet people with posts in the thousands keep using the very funny insult retard repeatedly, yet you say nothing to them. But, being new myself, no matter what I say will get me a "negative rep.", so rather than trying to be civil, I 'll just tell you to go fuck yourself with a road flare.

Oh yeah, back to the topic. I think Eddie's dead, but I'm not going to be an ignorant pissant and call someone retarded for having their own opinion. I'll leave that to the retards.
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Old 03-01-2006, 06:54 PM   #109
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People who still think Eddie is alive are either in serious denial about the whole thing or are just complete fucking idiots.

Vince might be a complete cock with most storylines, but he is smart enough not to go this route.
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Old 03-01-2006, 08:20 PM   #110
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I think Eddie Guerreo's death was sad and a shocker to the wrestling world. Eddie had personal problems with drinking and drugs and it hurt him in the long run. This is the first time that i have seen a wreslter who passed away used in a storyline and that makes me rethink about the whole "lie, cheat, steal" moto that Eddie used. I say that WWE is using the "Eddie Guerrero death" story to build Rey Mysterio's run to WM22. Rey loses to Orton at No Way Out and gets a second chance to compete for WWE title at WM22. Rey is in a triple threat match for the number #1 contender spot. Eddie is inducted into the Hall of fame with Bret Hart. WWE sells Eddie Guerrero t-shirts and the wrestlers on Raw and Smackdown! wear armbands with EG on them. To me WWE is just adding Eddie's death to make the WWE storylines more interesting.
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So we're only allowed to insult people and come across as a know it all douchebag after we've hit 80,000 posts? Gotcha.
What do you mean "come across as?"

I am a know-it-all douchebag.
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Old 03-01-2006, 08:32 PM   #112
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Yeah, but is it retarded to at least discuss the "WHAT IF" part of it all?
Honestly, I think it is. I'm not saying people can't, but I think it is. In fact, people can discuss hypotheticals as much as they want.

However, the thread was started with a half-assed piece that probably doesn't even merit discussion. They use so much bullshit that anyone with a brain should have laughed at another "Eddie Fan" pissing on his legacy.

however, should is a big leap away from the calls for shut it down.

This is founded upon an asinine bit of half-truth and a lot of stretching. It's retarded to continue this line of thought, or to entertain it (and thus, validated it).
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Old 03-01-2006, 08:36 PM   #113
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But it's not retarded to argue with the retards that entertain such an idea, KK?
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Old 03-01-2006, 08:37 PM   #114
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So posts insulting people are funny by people with 80,000 posts, but posts insulting people by anyone under a 100 posts get's you a negative rep? Is that the "logical conclusion" moron? I can read just fine and from what I've read, you don't feel the need to depants anyone other than this new guy....yet people with posts in the thousands keep using the very funny insult retard repeatedly, yet you say nothing to them. But, being new myself, no matter what I say will get me a "negative rep.", so rather than trying to be civil, I 'll just tell you to go fuck yourself with a road flare.

Oh yeah, back to the topic. I think Eddie's dead, but I'm not going to be an ignorant pissant and call someone retarded for having their own opinion. I'll leave that to the retards.
Welcome to TPWW. Just in time for the Crisis ahead...
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But it's not retarded to argue with the retards that entertain such an idea, KK?

Call me optimistic, but I'm hoping someone will grow a couple brain cells.
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Tupac vs Eddie Guerrero for the title at Wrestlemania?
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Old 03-02-2006, 11:17 AM   #119
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Tupac vs Eddie Guerrero for the title at Wrestlemania?
With special guest ref, Elvis!

And special announcer, Andy Kaufman!

And Special timekeeper, Kurt Cobain!

And special guest commentary, Freddie Mercury!

And special turnbuckle, Steven Hawking!

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I'm not sure KK...I'm not sure if it is Stephen or Steven.
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