this years wrestlemania is MAKE IT OR BREAK IT for the WWE

[Shadow]

Originally Posted by Vermaat Well obviously you don't understand what's going on in the wrestling world. If you did you would see that John Cena is the man that the talk is about. Cena has been built with a great genius, much like Austin, Hogan and Goldberg, an unstoppable face that overcomes all odds. This is how you make a face and you know that the name Cena goes with the names Austin, Hogan and Goldberg. Give it a few years and you will all be talking about how Cena is the greatest of ALL time. You're just being misled by Cena's poor build as of late (Edge etc).

Wow...this kid has some serious balls. Serious balls.

Hey tardboy....before you go thinking we're the idiots, think on this. Cena could be the man if the writers stopped trying to make him babyface. An Austin-esq face would do wonders for him. That's the Cena that could go huge if he just doesn't give a fuck about the fans, the other wrestlers, just himself. And it isn't "as of late" moron. Cena's entire persona has changed ever since he won the damn title last year. He sucks sooooo bad right now but he's got so much potential. But hey....if you keep thinking he's doing ok right now, more power to you. I hope, one day, you'll be allowed back in the daycare center with Slim.

[CharismaInjection]

Besides, what the hell are you saying Cena and Edge's feud made Cena look weak???

NYR: Edge pinned Cena BUT Cena had been through an 40 minute match and was utterly destroyed, and he kicked out of one spear.
WHO LOOKS STRONG: Cena

WEEK 1: Cena attacks Edge after the Live Sex and Edge runs away.
WHO LOOKS STRONG: Cena

WEEK 2: Cena attacks Edge after TLC match and Edge runs away.
WHO LOOKS STRONG: Cena.

WEEK 3: Cena makes Masters tap out and Edge run away....again.
WHO LOOKS STRONG: Cena.

At least make sense if you're talking crap.

[Skippord]

Thank you for the sum up I didnt really wanna read all that.

[Xero]

Hey, you think this guy is from that forum full of those retards who think Cena is the man and that Angle sucks?

The N or something...

[Stickman]

I love the "few bad apples" comment. This guy seems to think there's a really small group at EVERY arena who boo the good guy and cheer the bad guys to "ruin" the show. How could a small group of fans sitting at their seats ruin a show? Do you think if the fans really did like Cena that small group of bad apples would be able to get the other 18000 people to boo as well? On TV you can't even hear that "small group."

As for Cena, yeah, he sucks since he's been Champ. If he was the original rapping Cena, he'd probably be better. When's the last time he said a rhyme? Oh by the way, "Chain gang" and "you can't see me" are horrible horrible catchphrases that aren't even catchy.

[Xero]

Originally Posted by Stickman I love the "few bad apples" comment. This guy seems to think there's a really small group at EVERY arena who boo the good guy and cheer the bad guys to "ruin" the show. How could a small group of fans sitting at their seats ruin a show? Do you think if the fans really did like Cena that small group of bad apples would be able to get the other 18000 people to boo as well? On TV you can't even hear that "small group."

Well, you know, the entire city of New York are bad apples.

Random, I know, but I'm just thinking about the fans at MSG ripping into Lita and her almost coming to tears. It's funny in a sad sort of way.

[Extreme Angle]

Originally Posted by Stickman Oh by the way, "Chain gang" and "you can't see me" are horrible horrible catchphrases that aren't even catchy.

its like on timesplitters future perfect... he always says "its time to split!" but then figures out how lame it is and just says "i gotta go..."

[Evolution]

Oh wow. Vermaat is priceless. 50% of me is hoping that this is a joke account, but at the same time 50% of me is hoping this guy is serious.

Also, KK, leave Linkin Park alone. They have done nothing wrong.

Also it's a shame to LP fans to have their lyrics assosiated with this "certifiable goon".

[Xero]

Originally Posted by Extreme Angle its like on timesplitters future perfect... he always says "its time to split!" but then figures out how lame it is and just says "i gotta go..."

Cena: YOU CAN'T SEE... Wait a minute, that makes no fucking sense...... *Walks off, never to be seen again.*

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Stickman I love the "few bad apples" comment. This guy seems to think there's a really small group at EVERY arena who boo the good guy and cheer the bad guys to "ruin" the show. How could a small group of fans sitting at their seats ruin a show? Do you think if the fans really did like Cena that small group of bad apples would be able to get the other 18000 people to boo as well? On TV you can't even hear that "small group." As for Cena, yeah, he sucks since he's been Champ. If he was the original rapping Cena, he'd probably be better. When's the last time he said a rhyme? Oh by the way, "Chain gang" and "you can't see me" are horrible horrible catchphrases that aren't even catchy.

"You can't see me" is actually decent. I wouldn't put it on a T-Shirt, it works. Hell, I even see kids doing it. It works.

Anyhow...This guy has set logic aside.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Evolution Oh wow. Vermaat is priceless. 50% of me is hoping that this is a joke account, but at the same time 50% of me is hoping this guy is serious. Also, KK, leave Linkin Park alone. They have done nothing wrong. Also it's a shame to LP fans to have their lyrics assosiated with this "certifiable goon".

I don't remember actually attacking LP.

[KillerWolf]

Originally Posted by Vermaat If wwe screws up then I think it will be the start of WWE ending it's reign on top. this of course is triple h vs john cena, cena is obviously the best new talent wwe has had in like 5 years and it is his generation and wwe has been doing things right except making him lose to edge which was stupid but now they should have him beat hhh, hhh is the old generation, john cena is the new generation, he needs to beat hhh to continue his strakl, they should do it like goldberg with counting his wins. If wwe has cena win they will be on top for a long time because he is the steve austin of his era and this is his generation so wwe should drop the past like HHH and go with the future, if HHH wins it will destroy cena and wwe shouldnt lose their newest star because they need him to carry this generation, they cannot rely on hhh and austin forever because they are old and broken down. Cena has new moves like the FU that got impact unlike the moves hhh uses and all the other old guys, Cena is young and is the new generation. also on smackdown mysterio vs angle vs orton is a MAKE IT OR BREAK IT for the WWE because mysterio is the young talent they should push, i mean angle should not have won the title. He was pretty good but baldie (angle) is old and broken down now and should drop the title to the future, mysterio. I mean seriously, baldie can't do 619 or any of those new moves, he is too slow and it would be dumbb if he wins. Undertaker Vs Mark Henry is a MAKE IT OR BREAK IT For the WWE because they need to put the undertaker out to pasture and in the hall of fame, he is old and broken down and keeps taking the spotlight. Mark henry is old too but he has a bit more gas in his tank then the undertaker so they should have henry win and have undertaker retire the same night and be put in the hall of fame cause he was good but now he is just old and broken down. This wrestlemania is truly something WWE should focus on, what do u think? I think their future depends on this !!!!! !

I dont ever want to see you post here again.

lol !!!!

"Chain gang", "You can't see me" are bad catchphrases? lol maybe jabronie was a bad catchphrase too because these are the best catchphrases since The Rock! chain gang allows cena to connect with the fans like "hulkamaniacs" allowed fans to connect with the hulk hogan and "You can't see me" isn't about not seeing him it's about him being so good that u can't even see him because he beats u so fast that you don't even see him to know how he beat u. Sure it is not funny now but that is like that with all catchphrases, they are repeated a lot and no longer become new but that doesn't mean they are bad. Who else in the wwe has come up with new catchphrases lately? no one and Cena brough them in a big way, so to say that cena is bad because of his catchphrases is just GRASPING AT STRAWS

And most of u are saying ooh the reaction is so loud to cena well I dont hear it, sure I hear some bad reaction, but there is also a lot of people cheering for him. The reaction is so unclear that u cant tell, i mean a lot of ppl are excited so they just start yelling and sometimes you can't tell who they are yelling at.

Mysterio bad on the mic? lol !!!! Mysterio is better on the mic than a lot of other guys on the roster. Sure the storyline with eddie was dumb imo but come on they were doing it out of respect to keep the memory alive and because orton can't get good heat otherwise, mysterio is not to blame here, he has been quite emotional in hi promos and I like them because they show emotion unlike Orton who sounds like a old tape recorder. And mysterio was popular way before the eddie angle.

Mysterio a boring character? I think you have been watching a different show because Mysterio is one of the stars that gets the biggest crowd reaction. Him winning the title at Wrestlemania will be the "Wrestlemania Moment" and if it doesn't happen, the Wrestlemania will be crap and fans will go home dissapointed.

And the bad apples do get other guys to boo along because that is crowd psychology, they work the other guys into doing it because they make it seem cool and funny when really it is not.

And Alienoid, you may not buy merchandise but a lot of people do and support the company and the wrestler by buying their merchandise there is nothing wrong with doing that if you are a TRUE wrestling fan. Merchandise makes good money for the WWE so it is smart in a business sense to encourage wrestlers who sell it well like Cena. As far as Helms, well, yeah wwe took a hit with that but he is a cool heel and he probably wasnt selling as much merchandise because everyone who wanted his merchandise probably got it so they decided to make him a heel which was a smart decision.

Cena's character is not for kids, sorry, but hip hop/rap is the culture right now and that's what popular with people now and it allows people to better identify with Cena. Sure, it is good to have a character identify with kids and Cena does that well because guess what? A lot of kids watch the WWE. I don't think a true wrestling fan can say that you can outgrow wrestling, maybe you are not a true wrestlin fan because we know that you can't outgrow wrestling.

And RVD mark, of course henry is not the best guy to break taker's streak, but they gotta do it because Taker is way too old to keep wrestling now. Henry has a few good years left but Taker is just a guy that needs to slip in retirement.

And Angle WAS the best wrestler in the wwe when he was a little younger, but now he has reached his prime and is past it, if he keeps going he will become another Hulk Hogan. Sure, he can still wrestle, but everytime it gets less and less in quality because of his age and broken down physique. It is good to retire on top imo. The best wrestler in the WWE right now is Mysterio anyway imo.

I dunno about you, but I haven't seen the other wrestlers pull out moves as innovative as Mysterio. I mean the most innovative i have seen from angle was a moonsault, yeah, he was really good, but like most of the wrestlers he lacks innovation that Mysterio posses. Sure Mysterio did these moves before the WWE, but he is the one that brough them in and he is the only one that does them. I mean watching a mysterio match is like a roller coaster because you never know what's gonna happen. WWE should have had him win the world title when he first appeared, but now is their chance to go into the new era with two new superstars that can truly put this new era on the map like Rock and Austin did and these guys are Rey and Cena.

[PureHatred]

Vermaat, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[The One]

I PureHatred.

[Just John]

Originally Posted by Vermaat K Lissen up and take a seat. Cena is the best face wwe has had since austin and hogan, he is not a heel. If they make him heel it would be stupid and he won't sell merchandise and guess what he sells a lot of merchandise, why? Because he is the best face wwe has got since austin! Orton is pretty good but I have not seen him get good heel heat yet. he got good face heat so he is a pretty good face but i have not seen him get good heel heat. NOTE : cheap heat does not count like what he did with mysterio. Anyone can do that. Orton needs to work on his skill in the ring but he definetely has what it takes, just not polished yet. Cena is 100% polished. He is what everyone is talking about. The reprecussion of HHH winning the title would be that Cena would be SCREWED again. He would e weakened and they already did that by having him lose to Edge. Cena winning here is a must, Cena losing would result in WWE weaking the man they will build the company around for the next 10 years (if they are smart) Ok true mysterio is not a young talent, but he is fresh and he is not broken down like baldie. I mean, I like Kurt, he is a legend but sometimes you just have to retire and Angle needs to let another star on top because he just can't go at it anymore like he used to, mysterio can. And 619 is important because it is a new move. This is exactly what the WWE LACKS, i-n-n-o-v-a-t-i-o-n ! Mysterio keeps creating new moves and his matches are amazing, it's hard to keep up with them, he is truly a man that WWE should build the company around along with Cena. Orton needs more time to develop, he is not ready yet.

You're kinda weird, you have it right, but, then you dont. Like you know the terms, but you aren't really using them in a clever way.

[KillerWolf]

Originally Posted by Vermaat lol !!!! "Chain gang", "You can't see me" are bad catchphrases? lol maybe jabronie was a bad catchphrase too because these are the best catchphrases since The Rock! chain gang allows cena to connect with the fans like "hulkamaniacs" allowed fans to connect with the hulk hogan and "You can't see me" isn't about not seeing him it's about him being so good that u can't even see him because he beats u so fast that you don't even see him to know how he beat u. Sure it is not funny now but that is like that with all catchphrases, they are repeated a lot and no longer become new but that doesn't mean they are bad. Who else in the wwe has come up with new catchphrases lately? no one and Cena brough them in a big way, so to say that cena is bad because of his catchphrases is just GRASPING AT STRAWS And most of u are saying ooh the reaction is so loud to cena well I dont hear it, sure I hear some bad reaction, but there is also a lot of people cheering for him. The reaction is so unclear that u cant tell, i mean a lot of ppl are excited so they just start yelling and sometimes you can't tell who they are yelling at. Mysterio bad on the mic? lol !!!! Mysterio is better on the mic than a lot of other guys on the roster. Sure the storyline with eddie was dumb imo but come on they were doing it out of respect to keep the memory alive and because orton can't get good heat otherwise, mysterio is not to blame here, he has been quite emotional in hi promos and I like them because they show emotion unlike Orton who sounds like a old tape recorder. And mysterio was popular way before the eddie angle. Mysterio a boring character? I think you have been watching a different show because Mysterio is one of the stars that gets the biggest crowd reaction. Him winning the title at Wrestlemania will be the "Wrestlemania Moment" and if it doesn't happen, the Wrestlemania will be crap and fans will go home dissapointed. And the bad apples do get other guys to boo along because that is crowd psychology, they work the other guys into doing it because they make it seem cool and funny when really it is not. And Alienoid, you may not buy merchandise but a lot of people do and support the company and the wrestler by buying their merchandise there is nothing wrong with doing that if you are a TRUE wrestling fan. Merchandise makes good money for the WWE so it is smart in a business sense to encourage wrestlers who sell it well like Cena. As far as Helms, well, yeah wwe took a hit with that but he is a cool heel and he probably wasnt selling as much merchandise because everyone who wanted his merchandise probably got it so they decided to make him a heel which was a smart decision. Cena's character is not for kids, sorry, but hip hop/rap is the culture right now and that's what popular with people now and it allows people to better identify with Cena. Sure, it is good to have a character identify with kids and Cena does that well because guess what? A lot of kids watch the WWE. I don't think a true wrestling fan can say that you can outgrow wrestling, maybe you are not a true wrestlin fan because we know that you can't outgrow wrestling. And RVD mark, of course henry is not the best guy to break taker's streak, but they gotta do it because Taker is way too old to keep wrestling now. Henry has a few good years left but Taker is just a guy that needs to slip in retirement. And Angle WAS the best wrestler in the wwe when he was a little younger, but now he has reached his prime and is past it, if he keeps going he will become another Hulk Hogan. Sure, he can still wrestle, but everytime it gets less and less in quality because of his age and broken down physique. It is good to retire on top imo. The best wrestler in the WWE right now is Mysterio anyway imo. I dunno about you, but I haven't seen the other wrestlers pull out moves as innovative as Mysterio. I mean the most innovative i have seen from angle was a moonsault, yeah, he was really good, but like most of the wrestlers he lacks innovation that Mysterio posses. Sure Mysterio did these moves before the WWE, but he is the one that brough them in and he is the only one that does them. I mean watching a mysterio match is like a roller coaster because you never know what's gonna happen. WWE should have had him win the world title when he first appeared, but now is their chance to go into the new era with two new superstars that can truly put this new era on the map like Rock and Austin did and these guys are Rey and Cena.

i thought i told you never to post here.

[Dorkchop]

Originally Posted by shock&awe i thought i told you never to post here.

He is definitely not Shock&Awesome.

Wow that was lame.

[.44 Magdalene]

My balls are aching with such a pain that I believe a ten thousand or so of my own sperm may have spontaneously exploded, not willing to see light of day and become babies in a world with such sheer mother fucking stupidity.

I pour a forty for thee, o poor and unfortunate sperm, who gained such a terrible view of the world before you even fertilized something. Thanks, Vermaat. You've committed your first ten thousand or so abortions.

[PureHatred]

Originally Posted by The Critic My balls are aching ...

What's surprising is how many posts on TPWW seem to start with those exact same words.

whaa whaa whaa...very funny, NOT.

I guess u can't argue with the truth.

[PureHatred]

Originally Posted by Vermaat whaa whaa whaa...very funny, NOT. I guess u can't argue with the truth.

Listen, there's no way to argue with the stupid. If you can't see that cena has been getting mixed reactions for months now, to the point where even the writers and biooking team have to acknowledge it, then you're not worth arguing with. Cena was wildly entertaining as a heel, but as a generic goody two-shoes face he's boring as hell. The fac tthat he's not that great of a worker only makes it worse.

You want to compare him to Austin and Rock: guess what? SCSA and Rocky were great in both roles. Cena hasn't been. Basically, you're whole premise is flawed: if Cena is the "future" then having hiim lose would be the thing to do because either a) he becomes the underdog hero again which is where he's gotten a lot of his popularity or b) he'll get a heel turn down the road which is where he was actually entertaining. Either case, Cena should drop the strap Or only retain if he turns.

Ass for Mysterio: his promos are so-so. He's only 'innovative' because every other cruiser on the roster has been welded to the ground by the bookers (realistically, Rey with all his knee injureis is only a shadow of his former self and if you'd seen his WCW work you'd know that.) If some of the other talent was allowed to cut loose..fuck it, Rey couldn't even sniff the jocks of most of the cruisers on the roster if the WWE style wasn't designed to hold down smaller talents.

Both Angle and Orton are better than Rey in every way you can measure a pro wrestler and the only reason the WWE is giving him a push is due to the sympathy factor of Edddie's death. Period.

Henry sucks ass. Beating UT is a major feather in the cap that should be saved for someone with actual..you know...talent. Henry should be made to look just impressive enough that beating him still means something so that he can be SD's second tier heel for the next few months. But other than that.... building stars is a good idea. Mark Henry is not a star.

Also, Kurt Angle and Hulk Hogan comparisons are fucking insane.

Also, even the head of WWE marketing admitted that tonig down Cena's character was an attempt to appeal to a younger demographic at the last stockholders' meeting. In this form, John Cena is being aimed at little kids and teenage girls.

[KillerWolf]

Originally Posted by Vermaat K Lissen up and take a seat. Cena is the best face wwe has had since austin and hogan, he is not a heel. If they make him heel it would be stupid and he won't sell merchandise and guess what he sells a lot of merchandise, why? Because he is the best face wwe has got since austin! Orton is pretty good but I have not seen him get good heel heat yet. he got good face heat so he is a pretty good face but i have not seen him get good heel heat. NOTE : cheap heat does not count like what he did with mysterio. Anyone can do that. Orton needs to work on his skill in the ring but he definetely has what it takes, just not polished yet. Cena is 100% polished. He is what everyone is talking about. The reprecussion of HHH winning the title would be that Cena would be SCREWED again. He would e weakened and they already did that by having him lose to Edge. Cena winning here is a must, Cena losing would result in WWE weaking the man they will build the company around for the next 10 years (if they are smart) Ok true mysterio is not a young talent, but he is fresh and he is not broken down like baldie. I mean, I like Kurt, he is a legend but sometimes you just have to retire and Angle needs to let another star on top because he just can't go at it anymore like he used to, mysterio can. And 619 is important because it is a new move. This is exactly what the WWE LACKS, i-n-n-o-v-a-t-i-o-n ! Mysterio keeps creating new moves and his matches are amazing, it's hard to keep up with them, he is truly a man that WWE should build the company around along with Cena. Orton needs more time to develop, he is not ready yet.

SHUT UP, VARMANT !!!

[KillerWolf]

Originally Posted by Vermaat Angle has an injured neck. He needs to retire because he is not the angle that he is, you people are seeing the angle that used to be, FU is like The Stunner, it has the same type of impact except it's even more impressive I think you people people dislike Cena for one reason, WWE weakening him by having him lose to Edge. That was a mistake.

Varmint, i am absolutely fucking speechless.

[KillerWolf]

Originally Posted by PureHatred In this form, John Cena is being aimed at little kids and teenage girls.

yeah. which are you, vermaat?

[Blitz]

PureHatred=Ratings

Originally Posted by PureHatred Listen, there's no way to argue with the stupid. If you can't see that cena has been getting mixed reactions for months now, to the point where even the writers and biooking team have to acknowledge it, then you're not worth arguing with. Cena was wildly entertaining as a heel, but as a generic goody two-shoes face he's boring as hell. The fac tthat he's not that great of a worker only makes it worse. You want to compare him to Austin and Rock: guess what? SCSA and Rocky were great in both roles. Cena hasn't been. Basically, you're whole premise is flawed: if Cena is the "future" then having hiim lose would be the thing to do because either a) he becomes the underdog hero again which is where he's gotten a lot of his popularity or b) he'll get a heel turn down the road which is where he was actually entertaining. Either case, Cena should drop the strap Or only retain if he turns. Ass for Mysterio: his promos are so-so. He's only 'innovative' because every other cruiser on the roster has been welded to the ground by the bookers (realistically, Rey with all his knee injureis is only a shadow of his former self and if you'd seen his WCW work you'd know that.) If some of the other talent was allowed to cut loose..fuck it, Rey couldn't even sniff the jocks of most of the cruisers on the roster if the WWE style wasn't designed to hold down smaller talents. Both Angle and Orton are better than Rey in every way you can measure a pro wrestler and the only reason the WWE is giving him a push is due to the sympathy factor of Edddie's death. Period. Henry sucks ass. Beating UT is a major feather in the cap that should be saved for someone with actual..you know...talent. Henry should be made to look just impressive enough that beating him still means something so that he can be SD's second tier heel for the next few months. But other than that.... building stars is a good idea. Mark Henry is not a star. Also, Kurt Angle and Hulk Hogan comparisons are fucking insane. Also, even the head of WWE marketing admitted that tonig down Cena's character was an attempt to appeal to a younger demographic at the last stockholders' meeting. In this form, John Cena is being aimed at little kids and teenage girls.

Like I said I kno he has got mixed reactions but like I explained it is because of this new trend where the fans think "booing" him is cool because they want to see the heel do crazy stuff like Kurt Angle did. Cena is just as good as a heel as a face.

Cena has been awesome in both roles as well. He has been playing a traditional face way better then these guys have been. Rock and Austin were too edgy, too dependent on adult humor. It was good, but it was not traditional, Cena took it to the TRADITION and guess what? The TRADITION works. I still hear a lot of people cheer for Cena even through those guys that want to ruin the show because they want to see the heel do something funny.

If Cena turns heel, it will ruin all his face build. I think WWE made a mistake and weakened him by having him be seen as more vulnerable, namely with Edge but even before that. The whole point in building a face is to make him unbeatable, that's Tradition, that's Hulk Hogan (The greatest face of all time). Cena dropping the belt will only make him seem weaker and fans will just go "lol this guy is weak lets not cheer for him" and he will get booed even more.

Heel turn? Could work, Cena can do a heel role good but Raw has no good faces for him to face. A good heel needs to get a good face and until Raw gets some good faces, Cena should be F A C E.

Every cruiserweight has been welded? I heard that one before and I think it's a lie. If they were, why isn't Mysterio welded? Or because they aren't and it's just a dumb rumor and I think that's all it is. The other cruiserweights don't have the innovation and skill that Mysterio has and they are lazy and work a boring style, otherwise they would've been doing these moves. Well, Super Crazy is pretty good.

Angle WAS better then Mysterio. Not anymore, age and injuries have caught to him to make him slow and not as good as he was. Still better then most of the roster? Yeah! As good as Mysterio? Nah. Orton? lol! Orton isn't even close to Mysterio's level, he needs some more training. He's a crappy heel that needs to rely on cheap heat and his matches are full of rest holds and slow. Orton is not innovative and doesn't do too many moves unlike Mysterio so I think Orton, needs to go back to the shop for some extra work.

Henry is not a star. Correct! But Henry can BE a star if The Undertaker realized that he needs to retire and allow Henry to capitalize. Henry has been misused for years and now he's as good as he has ever been. He has been playing a great heel and can be a big monster for several years to come if Undertaker let's him. This can be what Henry needs for all of you to say that he is indeed a star.

Rey was popular before Eddie and that whole angle. WWE had plans to push him even before that.

I can see how they can tone down Cena's character, before he only was popular with adults, but now he can be toned down with everyone, and WWE is a family company and a lot of people watch it so they made his humor more understandable. It did not make him worse now.

And how is Kurt and Hogan comparision insane? Both were great stars, true. Both were the best. True. Both decided to keep on going. True. Now here is where Kurt can become hogan. If he keeps on going with his injuries, he will be just like Hogan soon. If he realizes it's time to retire he will be a legend because that is a smart thing to do. He needs to realize that he is reaching the over the hill status.

[KillerWolf]

PureHatred, i commend you for your efforts, but this guy is so fucking delusional, I cannot even begin to argue with him.

[PureHatred]

I'm not quoting all that bullshit:

You're too much of a fucking Cena mark to make a rational argument. if Cena is so AWESOME as a F A C E, then why is he getting so much heat fomr hardcore fans. Every reason you give is a lame excuse. Face it, people don't like Cena. A lot of people. And not all of them are bandwagon jumpers or the victim of mass hypnosis or whatever the fuck you are talking about. Johncena, honest to god, is boring as hell right now. He's completely predictable. And the fact that you would try to say that Austin and Rocky were too adult or edgy???Are you fuckign stupid? The show is aimed at males ages 17-22, it always has been. Those two drew more money than any other workers' in wrestling history. Cena is a milk and cookies good guy who appeals to absolutely no one except bitches and toddlers. Get over it. Come to terms with your fagdom and stop projecting your insecurities about being a Cena fan on the rest of us.

Youre a fucking idiot when it comes to cruiserwieghts. All you have to do is watch London's work in ROH or Kash's work in ECW to know that those two can be better spot monkeys than Rey can. Both men have been told to tone down their style...its pretty fucking obvious. So you're ignorant. Shut up about Rey already; it's clear you have no clue.

Henry's worthless. UT will be around at leat another year. He should get some sort of Legends match next year and then drop a match to someone with talent in WM 23 after a months long build-up. Losing to a generic brawler like henry after 2 weeks of storyline would be a waste.

Hogan was never the worker Angle was. Kurt just had a match with UT at NWO that was superior to 99% of Hogan's matches in his entire career and it probably wasn't the best match Kurt will have this year. He's not old. He's not worn out. He's still capable of putting on amazing matches where both men end up getting over. And he draws. Yeah..he should retire.

Varmint.

[PureHatred]

Originally Posted by shock&awe PureHatred, i commend you for your efforts, but this guy is so fucking delusional, I cannot even begin to argue with him.

I know. Last try, I swear. This one did it for me:

Originally Posted by Varmint Every cruiserweight has been welded? I heard that one before and I think it's a lie. If they were, why isn't Mysterio welded? Or because they aren't and it's just a dumb rumor and I think that's all it is. The other cruiserweights don't have the innovation and skill that Mysterio has and they are lazy and work a boring style, otherwise they would've been doing these moves. Well, Super Crazy is pretty good.

It's like he never watched a match outside of wWE in his entire life.

[Kalyx triaD]

Originally Posted by Vermaat If wwe screws up then I think it will be the start of WWE ending it's reign on top. this of course is triple h vs john cena, cena is obviously the best new talent wwe has had in like 5 years and it is his generation and wwe has been doing things right except making him lose to edge which was stupid but now they should have him beat hhh, hhh is the old generation, john cena is the new generation, he needs to beat hhh to continue his strakl, they should do it like goldberg with counting his wins. If wwe has cena win they will be on top for a long time because he is the steve austin of his era and this is his generation so wwe should drop the past like HHH and go with the future, if HHH wins it will destroy cena and wwe shouldnt lose their newest star because they need him to carry this generation, they cannot rely on hhh and austin forever because they are old and broken down. Cena has new moves like the FU that got impact unlike the moves hhh uses and all the other old guys, Cena is young and is the new generation. also on smackdown mysterio vs angle vs orton is a MAKE IT OR BREAK IT for the WWE because mysterio is the young talent they should push, i mean angle should not have won the title. He was pretty good but baldie (angle) is old and broken down now and should drop the title to the future, mysterio. I mean seriously, baldie can't do 619 or any of those new moves, he is too slow and it would be dumbb if he wins. Undertaker Vs Mark Henry is a MAKE IT OR BREAK IT For the WWE because they need to put the undertaker out to pasture and in the hall of fame, he is old and broken down and keeps taking the spotlight. Mark henry is old too but he has a bit more gas in his tank then the undertaker so they should have henry win and have undertaker retire the same night and be put in the hall of fame cause he was good but now he is just old and broken down. This wrestlemania is truly something WWE should focus on, what do u think? I think their future depends on this !!!!! !

Hello Vermaat. You're cool. So am I. Welcome to TPWW. Most of these guys are assholes, but I'm better than them. All of them. Your post is thought out but I'm sure you've been getting Hell by these idiots online. Don't worry about them, you have every right to speak your mind. Otherwise, the option to start a Thread wouldn't be so easy to come by.

I believe in giving new guys a break; but there are alot of wastes of reality on here that try to be cool in an online forum. Look up my post and threads; learn about me. And with me I'll see to it that tyrants against free speech will meet a Crisis ahead.

[.44 Magdalene]

Jesus ever lovin' Christ, it's a fuckin' 'tard party in here.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Vermaat lol !!!! "Chain gang", "You can't see me" are bad catchphrases? lol maybe jabronie was a bad catchphrase too because these are the best catchphrases since The Rock!

In that case, there've been no good catchphrases since the Rock.

chain gang allows cena to connect with the fans like "hulkamaniacs" allowed fans to connect with the hulk hogan

Which is why his fanbase has diminished since the Chain Gang shit started. People are identifying with him, hence all the boos like Hogan used to get.

Oh wait.

Austin didn't have Stunnaholics. Somehow, he got over without a way to "identify" with the fans, and Cena's clearly supposed to be patterned after him.

You can't see me" isn't about not seeing him

Run-on aside, let me say this.

DUDE. It's not even that deep a metaphor. We get it. We just don't think it's clever, and it's clearly not getting the response you seem to claim.

Who else in the wwe has come up with new catchphrases lately? no one and Cena brough them in a big way, so to say that cena is bad because of his catchphrases is just GRASPING AT STRAWS

So's arguing that no-one else has come up with them. Pretty weak.

And most of u are saying ooh the reaction is so loud to cena well I dont hear it, sure I hear some bad reaction, but there is also a lot of people cheering for him. The reaction is so unclear that u cant tell, i mean a lot of ppl are excited so they just start yelling and sometimes you can't tell who they are yelling at.

If you can't tell, that's a BAD sign. Someone who's supposed to be the franchise getting a reaction you can't tell about is a bad thing. Getting that kind of reaction is bad.

If you're not hearing his response as underwhelming, you're listening through the ears of a total fanboy.

Mysterio bad on the mic? lol !!!! Mysterio is better on the mic than a lot of other guys on the roster.

The guy has almost no mic skills. HE's a poor public speaker and a worse actor.

Mysterio a boring character? I think you have been watching a different show because Mysterio is one of the stars that gets the biggest crowd reaction.

Fan reaction=/=not boring. Do you even know what the fuck you're talking about?

Scotty II hotty gets big reactions too. I guess that's something both Scotty and Rey have over Cena.

And the bad apples do get other guys to boo along because that is crowd psychology, they work the other guys into doing it because they make it seem cool and funny when really it is not.

HOLY SHIT! GET THE TINFOIL HATS!

Even WWE were pushing Cena because he moved the women and children markets, both hard to reach demographics. It's clear he's not popular with the main fanbase, so your argument is dead on arrival.

Cena's character is not for kids

Sorry, it really is. That's why he stopped freestyling, started playing to the children, etc.

sorry, but hip hop/rap is the culture right now and that's what popular with people now and it allows people to better identify with Cena

I could make several points here:

The decline of rap in terms of sales
the lack of identification
The lack of "babyface" rappers.

But honestly, what's the point?

Sure, it is good to have a character identify with kids and Cena does that well because guess what? A lot of kids watch the WWE.

And yet, are not even close to the core demographic.

I don't think a true wrestling fan can say that you can outgrow wrestling, maybe you are not a true wrestlin fan because we know that you can't outgrow wrestling.

But Cena should be able to draw in more than just the "true wrestling fan." Hence the "hip hop" appeal. You're basically admitting that your own argument is empty, because pop culture wouldn't be a factor if this was just about being a true wrestling fan.

And Angle WAS the best wrestler in the wwe when he was a little younger, but now he has reached his prime and is past it, if he keeps going he will become another Hulk Hogan. Sure, he can still wrestle, but everytime it gets less and less in quality because of his age and broken down physique. It is good to retire on top imo. The best wrestler in the WWE right now is Mysterio anyway imo.

Rey Mysterio has lost more steps than Angle. Angle is not like Hogan, as he was able to wrestle, and still can. Angle has a better physique than most of the lockerroom. His "lesser quality" is spectacular, while Rey can't even do the spots that made him huge.

I dunno about you, but I haven't seen the other wrestlers pull out moves as innovative as Mysterio.

In WCW, he was one of the most innovative wrestlers in American wrestling. Still, even in WCW, his innovation is nothing compared to Nova (Now Simon Dean) or Burchill (Now Burchill), and a ton of the cruisers could really rock the joint given a chance. The X-Division in TNA has several people more innovative than the current mysterio, and even the Cruisers on SD could do better. Not to mention Ultimo Fucking Dragon.

These days, Rey is a laugh.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Vermaat Like I said I kno he has got mixed reactions but like I explained it is because of this new trend where the fans think "booing" him is cool because they want to see the heel do crazy stuff like Kurt Angle did. Cena is just as good as a heel as a face.

If this was true, shouldn't this happen with more people? It's not, which destroys your argument.

[Kane Knight]

Fuck's sake, I just saw Cena's entrance on Raw, and there wasn't more than 5 pairs of descended testicles in the entire "ovation."

Triple H saved that segment, and I haven't been a big fan of him for like 4-5 years now.

Purehatred :

1. The show is aimed at everyone and to say that it has always been aimed at 17-22 is wrong because it sure wasn't in time of Hulk Hogan. The only time I can say it was aimed at that group was in the austin time but GUESS WHAT? austin time is over. Why is it over? Because all these 17-21 fans stopped watching that's why WWE moved on to a new era but the problem that they had with the new era is that they had no one to be the representative of it like hogan, austin and rock were. Now Cena is that representative and these 17-21 fans that are booing him are only doing it because they are NOT REAL WRESTLING FANS they don't care about wrestling all they care about is looking "cool" and that's why they boo Cena, to look "cool" well they don't look cool imo they are just screwing with the company. Cena is a good gu thats right, thats what WWE has not had for along time. When all the 17-21 fans left, wwe knew they had to go to the other fans, the mature fans. The mature fans never left and Cena fits those fans.

Is Cena geared to kids? Yes. Is cena geared towards women? Yes. Is Cena geared towards mature fans? Yes. Is Cena geared towards 17-21 guys who only care about looking cool that don't really care about wrestling or the company? NO and that is who boo him. They are pissed because he isn't making stupid edgy jokes or moves like Austin and Rock did, they are pissed because he is such a "good" guy, they are pissed because everyone ELSE loves Cena so they make a lot of noise. A mature fan isn't going to be drowning out them, in fact, they are the loudest that's why you hear them. But in all reality, most of the people are enjoying the doctor of thuganomics!

2. The other cruiserweight can do better? Well maybe they can stop being LAZY and do better! You know why they did better in those small feds? Because they wanted to go to the WWE and be noticed and be paid a huge salary like they are now. That's why.

Now that they got noticed, they are too lazy to keep up this style. Mysterio isn't and that's why he's better then them!

3. Is henry the best? No but henry is pretty good as the heel guy that he is playing. He is getting a good heel role and if Undertaker destroys him it will be just like Big Show before, everyone will think he is crap. Undertaker was a good guy but now he just wants to stay on top and does not allow anyone else to take his monster role. Undertaker needs to retire and allow someone else to take the monster role.


4. Who said Angle was hogan already? He is not. BUt he is BECOMING Hogan. And Hoga was just as good as angle, Hogan just had another style, the classic style and he was a way better face than Angle. Anytime now if Hogan's music plays the fans will explode. He is that good. However hogan made a mistake when he just kept going and going. Into old age. Through injury. On and on. Sound familiar? Yes it is. Because it is what Kurt Angle is starting to do. Yeah his match with taker was pretty good, but it was not like his matches before. And the best part was the ending, the match wasn't all that amazing. Both guys are old and slow now and are starting to FALL A PART!

Kane Knight :

1. No there were good catchphrases. Cena's catchphrase. What makes a good catchphrase? It needs to connect with the fans. It needs to catch you. Cena's phrases are with all the fans and you can't get them out of your head because they work, they are funny, they are clever and they fit him.

Austin didn't have stunnaholics, but he too used catchphrases to identify with the fans. Remember 3:16? Yeah he used that to identify with the fans just like chain gang. Just like fans today become the chain gangs, fans used to become 3:16 to identify with austin.

You can't see me is getting a good response, when Cena waves that hands before going for the 5 knuckle shuffle the fans explode. Which is another thing that makes Cena a great face, the 5 knuckle shuffle. A signature manuever that the fans go nuts for. Rock had the people's elbow and Cena has thr 5 knuckle shuffle

2. No one has come up with catchphrases is a pretty good argument for why Cena is good, he is pushing the business forward and whenever you like it or not, catchphrases are a part of this business and catchphrases move this business forward.

I think Cena gets a good reaction for someone that was in feuds with BAD heels. Let's see, JBL was terrible then Cena feuded with Angle and Angle althought a good heel screwed it all by going "comedy" with that whole anti usa thing. Then Cena gets HHH, who too is a good heel, but is cracking dumb jokes and acting all facey now as well. Cena's mixed reaction, is due to bad heelmanship. Any other face would get a worse reaction with this kind of people.

3. Mysterio is great on the mic, I think you have bee listening to the T.V on mute. Mysterio is great because he is real and emotional. He doesn't have a fake personality, he is all real and you realize that he is just a regular guy and you can sense emotion n his voice. I think the mask makes you all think he is bad at the microphone because you can't see his facial expressions.

And good reaction does mean not boring because fans react to stars that are not boring.

4. WWE didn't move Cena to the kids/women demographic. They EXPANDED Cena. They had Cena tone himself down a little bit to EXPAND him to a new demographic. No one wanted him to only be for the little kids, but kids can't identify with the jokes he was making before so they EXPANDED him.

5. Yeah that's why I see rap/hip hop everywhere? Face it, it is the culture.
Cena does draw in more then the REAL wrestling fans, how does that make my argument empty? Cena draws in REAL fans, kids, women. I think that's a very big demographic. The only group he doesn't draw in are the 17-21 people trying to be all "cool" and rebellious. But guess what, a lot of 17-21 listen to rap/hip hop and identify with Cena, so these "rebelious" aren't even all of that demographic. Like I said earlier, the mature fans don't care about looking cool and aren't going to do immature things like boo the good guy because they care about WRESTLING.

6. Kurt Angle is hanging on by a thread. He has slipped from where he was. Mysterio might have lost a step but he is still way higher then Angle. Angle can't do 6-1-9. Angle can't do the west coast pop. This is because Angle is old. Mysterio is part of a totally different wrestling generation then Angle, he has a completely different moveset that angle would find difficult o keep up with!!!

7. There are younger and faster cruiserweights in other feds, but none of them are in the WWE. Mysterio brough the style to the WWE, he is the innovator. A lot of these guys from other feds came to wwe, like ultimo dragon and got lazy and stopped being innovative. Mysterio didn't.

There's not a whole lot of point to keep dismissing Cena as being a bad face because some immature kids "boo" him and to dismiss Mysterio because some other wrestlers have "been" better then him when they don't do that anymore out of laziness. Mysterio deserves it because he is not lazy.

[Blitz]

Originally Posted by Vermaat 2. The other cruiserweight can do better? Well maybe they can stop being LAZY and do better! You know why they did better in those small feds? Because they wanted to go to the WWE and be noticed and be paid a huge salary like they are now. That's why. Now that they got noticed, they are too lazy to keep up this style. Mysterio isn't and that's why he's better then them! 7. There are younger and faster cruiserweights in other feds, but none of them are in the WWE. Mysterio brough the style to the WWE, he is the innovator. A lot of these guys from other feds came to wwe, like ultimo dragon and got lazy and stopped being innovative. Mysterio didn't.

Man, you've made a lot of foolish points in this thread, but you just ascended to a new level with this stuff.

[PureHatred]

Varmint, you're beyond stupid. At least when trolls hit these boards they are trying to be entertaining or get a rise out of folks. But with all the time and effort you put in these responses its pretty clear these are your actual opinions. Which shows that you have not clue one as to what the fuck you are talking about. Not one. It's like you have abasic understanding of the business, but somewhere along the way you're own though process was retarded by WWE markishness.

You're too smart to be in the WWE chat rom but not yet bright enough to actually form a coherent opinion of your own. If you truly refuse to believe the opinions of people who obviously have been watching far longer than you, who have obviously seen far more matches than you, who obviously have a better understanding of basic concepts of crowd reaction and marketing than you, and (lets face it) aren't dumb enough to believe that all the cruisers on the roster are just 'lazy' than postng your ideas is worthless.

Don't post a thread if you're too stubborn or stupid to read and process the responses you're going to get. You aren't as smart as you obviosuly think you are.

Originally Posted by PureHatred Varmint, you're beyond stupid. At least when trolls hit these boards they are trying to be entertaining or get a rise out of folks. But with all the time and effort you put in these responses its pretty clear these are your actual opinions. Which shows that you have not clue one as to what the fuck you are talking about. Not one. It's like you have abasic understanding of the business, but somewhere along the way you're own though process was retarded by WWE markishness. You're too smart to be in the WWE chat rom but not yet bright enough to actually form a coherent opinion of your own. If you truly refuse to believe the opinions of people who obviously have been watching far longer than you, who have obviously seen far more matches than you, who obviously have a better understanding of basic concepts of crowd reaction and marketing than you, and (lets face it) aren't dumb enough to believe that all the cruisers on the roster are just 'lazy' than postng your ideas is worthless. Don't post a thread if you're too stubborn or stupid to read and process the responses you're going to get. You aren't as smart as you obviosuly think you are.

Purehatred : Oh yeah, resorting to personal insults really shows how mature and smart you are
You whole argument is "I am right you are wrong because I am so smart" guess what that argument does not work. You don't seem to understand the point I am making. You might be lacking READING COMPREHENSION And as far as me not understanding the business, WWE is pushing Cena as a face for a long time now. I think people working in WWE, the MOST succesful and BEST wrestling company know a bit more about wrestling then some fan who think it's "cool" too boo the good guy.
This thread isn't about me, this thread is about WRESTLEMANIA, so unless you can adress the points I am making, which you obviously can't, maybe you should go to the WWE chat room and type in "cena sucks" 600 times in a row !!!!!

As far as me not understanding crowd reaction, I think it's you who doesn't understand CROWD PSYCHOLOGY with you denying that a few bad apples sway the crowd !!!! And of course the cruiserweights are lazy. Why would they wrestle very well when they are not in the WWE and come to the WWE and stop? Evil Vince making them? Then why didn't he make Mysterio do it! Because he didn't. They got their place and they got lazy. Why take the riskas anymore? You can just cruze!

[Kane Knight]

I'll respond to that later. I can think of about 30 things I'd rather do right now than trying to argue with a guy who thinks Mysterio is the end-all of cruiserweights.

...Sadly, drill a hole through each of my nuts was one...