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Old 08-04-2006, 09:30 PM   #81
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I'm here because i signed up last september, thus i'm not even close to MickieJames' imaginary friend, i don't even want to think about it
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Old 08-04-2006, 09:31 PM   #82
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Old 08-04-2006, 09:32 PM   #83
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Cept i'm not white, that could be a problem
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Old 08-04-2006, 09:32 PM   #84
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You know, I marked out for the return of Vermaat.

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Old 08-04-2006, 09:36 PM   #85
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Old 08-04-2006, 11:59 PM   #92
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How good are the odds that Vermaat is one of the guys in the CZW "shoot promo" vid on YouTube?
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Old 08-05-2006, 02:21 AM   #97
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Old 08-05-2006, 03:05 AM   #98
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As much as i hate to admit it, I think Veermat actually does bring up some good points here. Too bad there shrouded in inconsitincies and incoherence.

First, what I'm believing he's saying is that the ECW faithful, the people who had shown their loyalty through and through (and whether Ver is one of those will be open for debate for some time), are definitly showing their displerasure of WWECW. And the people they are TRYING to get to watch this can't or won't because they know just how the original WWE product is now, and doesn't expect for the new ECW to be any different. It is getting high ratings now, but how long will that hold out? We saw and heard the hardcore ECW fans in the ballroom rip the Batista/Show match a new one, and that has been a indication of just what has been the universal reaction between the ECW faithful and those who know the crapfests that Vince has been giving us lately. The new ECW is being held back, as the ECW of old really tore the roof off everything. The hardcore parts were just plain sick, and it let the wrestlers who put on the good matches really work to their full potential. The new ECW is just the WWE with an added twist which doesn't seem quite special considering how the WWE did their hardcore division in 98 before they did that 24/7 crap. It was quite a treat to see food being used for some of the matches in those ones. At least they had some sort of personality. You wanted to see what they were going to use next. Here those that should care don't and those that were faithful knew that would happen.

And I think that he was referring to the lighttube matches as what the Hell In A Cell matches were when we first saw the match. They were innovative for their time (even though both would be overused now), and a telling of what some sick matches can be like, regardless of how any one of us as individuals feel.

I wouldn't say that the new ECW is a failure yet, though. It will be if Vince keeps trying to WWEify (if that's a word) the product.
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Old 08-05-2006, 09:30 AM   #99
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And I think that he was referring to the lighttube matches as what the Hell In A Cell matches were when we first saw the match. They were innovative for their time (even though both would be overused now), and a telling of what some sick matches can be like, regardless of how any one of us as individuals feel.
Too bad he was saying ECW wouldn't have been above using them, were they around at the time. He may claim otherwise, but he even went on to claim that these are matches a hardcore company today would use.

Ironically, he told us to mind the context, but the context is more damning than anything.
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Old 08-05-2006, 11:00 AM   #100
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I'll make it easier for you. Name five ECW matches that you liked.
1. Baldies vs Rotten/Mahoney
2. New Jack Vs Mustafa.
3. Funk Vs Sabu (Born to be wired)
4. Sabu Vs. The Sandman (Stairway to hell)
5. Ian Rotten Vs. Axl Rotten (Dethmatch)

Whats ur point? That, "OH BUT MOST OF THESE GUYS ARE IN THE NEW ECW?" Well, sure they are but they are NEAUTERED.

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No, No, No, No, No

What you are referring to is garbage wrestling.
Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's garbage. It is still hardcore wrestlin.

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You didn't, because you still contradicted yourself. Besides, I'm not going to hit refresh (Which, by the way, is not a little white square on my browser) every ten seconds to see if you've responded. Special as you are...
The guy who doesn't see my post adressing the issue calling someone else special? LOOK UP IRONY IN THE DICTIONARY.

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CZW and hardcore are not synonymous, sorry. You lose.
CZW is a hardcore wrestling federation. Their specialty? Hardcore wrestling. Their product? Hardcore wrestling.

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You know why so many people shit on CZW? It's because "hardcore wrestling" (the bad kind, the kind referred to as "garbage" by most people here) is its focus. Sure, they have guys who have talent working the undercard, but they seem ashamed of this talent.
It is not garbage, it is REAL hardcore wrestling. What the new ECW is showing is NOT hardcore wrestling.

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Kurt Angle was actually going to be in ECW when he first got started in professional wrestling, so there goes your arguement that he doesn't belong. Angle is also one of the last big stars the WWE has. He helps promote ECW. Oh, and Kurt Angle is a former WWE Hardcore Champion, plus he's had some phenominal "extreme" matches.
All true, but Kurt Angle is OLD today. He is BROKEN DOWN. HE CANNOT handle hardcore anymore. I like angle, but it's time to retire, not go to ECW.

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By the way, Rob Van Dam didn't "FAIL" as WWE Champion. He made a mistake. John Cena makes one every week when he comes out on the stage running like a retard. Rob Van Dam got caught with drugs, the company did what it needed to do. John Cena, "Lord and Saviour of Professional Wrestling" (according to you and management) has had two WWE Championship reigns, and guess what? Non-wrestling fans don't give a shit. Most wrestling fans don't even give a shit. For a man being groomed as the next Hulk Hogan or Stone Cold Steve Austin, he isn't exactly drawing.
RVD failed in my eyes by being IRRESPONSIBLE. Not to mention he can't handle the microphone. John Cena knows how to be a RESPONSIBLE champion. Wrestling fans don't give a shit? He gets some of the biggest reaction out of the whole roster, why do u think WWE is pushing him. Non wrestling fans? He already has a movie deal! And these days, non wrestling fans don't care about WRESTLERS because they are not fans of WRESTLING common sense.

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Oh, and it is not a "FAILURE". It is doing great in the ratings. I don't like it, a lot of others here don't like it, but it is probably going to get renewed as it is. The new ECW has som steps to take before it is truly great, but it can get there without the use of the "WWE Hardcore Division", which was softcore compared to most of ECW's stuff.
It might be an economic sucess, but for what it is being advertised as, hardcore wrestling it's a failure. It's also a failure of the name.

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You do not KNOW this. This is pure SPECULATION. You do not know if it was a BIG enough OFFER or NOT. This is not FACT because you CANNOT PROVE it.
It's called logic. There is no reason why Dudleys wouldn't want to work for the WWE unless it was a money issue. They are wrestlers, WWE is the best wrestling federation, so of course they want to be there so I guess WWE didn't give them the money they deserved. Anything else is NOT LOGICAL.

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Heyman himself has said that ECW wasn't just about being hardcore. Some - a lot was, but at the same some some - a lot of ECW was about everything else. Some of the best wrestlers to wrestle in North America wrestled in ECW. Guys that weren't hardcore like Benoit, Eddie, Rey, Austin, Super Crazy, and so on.

Original ECW fans (And even a lot of fans who didn't see it when it was originaly on) think of luchadores, chairs, high flying, tables, wrestling, the crowd, and so on. Not just hardcore.

You never saw an ECW match when it was originally on. You probably just heard of it just as One Night Stand came about last year.

I'd suggest that you seriously shut the hell up because you really have no idea what ECW was about and should be about, but you'll give me 7 paragraphs, each contradiction the previous on, about how you know what ECW was really about.
I watched some original ECW. It doesn't matter if you watched longer when I have THE FACTS. Oh and by the way, Chairs, High Flying, Tables and wrestling can be HARDCORE too. I know very well what ECW is about, it is about EXTREME and EXTREME is what it is not giving us today. It had technical wrestling, but like I said, it was NOT the focus. They didn't call themselves MCW, MAT CHAMPIONSHIP WRESTLING, they were EXTREME.

common sense!

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We saw and heard the hardcore ECW fans in the ballroom rip the Batista/Show match a new one, and that has been a indication of just what has been the universal reaction between the ECW faithful and those who know the crapfests that Vince has been giving us lately. The new ECW is being held back, as the ECW of old really tore the roof off everything. The hardcore parts were just plain sick, and it let the wrestlers who put on the good matches really work to their full potential.
Exactly! WWE censored the crowd as much as they could and don't let the crowd get all out and EXTREME like real ECW did.

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The new ECW is just the WWE with an added twist
Good point.

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Too bad he was saying ECW wouldn't have been above using them, were they around at the time. He may claim otherwise, but he even went on to claim that these are matches a hardcore company today would use.
Yes, a REAL hardcore federation would go for stuff like lightube matches and such, but the new ECW is too afraid to bring this into the fold and thus my point was that they would be afraid to bring something new in and thus innovate. It would be innovative for ECW to use, because it hasn't used it in the past, it would be something new, but WWE is too concerned about their workers safety and looking well rather then give us real hardcore. This ain't the spirit of ECW.
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1. Baldies vs Rotten/Mahoney
2. New Jack Vs Mustafa.
3. Funk Vs Sabu (Born to be wired)
4. Sabu Vs. The Sandman (Stairway to hell)
5. Ian Rotten Vs. Axl Rotten (Dethmatch)

Whats ur point? That, "OH BUT MOST OF THESE GUYS ARE IN THE NEW ECW?" Well, sure they are but they are NEAUTERED.
My point is that you have only seen the extreme matches, and you just proved that to me.
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My point is that you have only seen the extreme matches, and you just proved that to me.
Thats just five I liked best. It proves nothing, I saw technical matches but they were boring. I am not denying that ECW had technical matches.
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Yes, a REAL hardcore federation would go for stuff like lightube matches and such, but the new ECW is too afraid to bring this into the fold and thus my point was that they would be afraid to bring something new in and thus innovate. It would be innovative for ECW to use, because it hasn't used it in the past, it would be something new, but WWE is too concerned about their workers safety and looking well rather then give us real hardcore. This ain't the spirit of ECW.
But the old ECW didn't, even though they ran concurrent with promotions that did. You said that people who bad CZW shoulddn't call themselves ECW fans (via your logic that if people call CZW garbage they call hardcore garbage).

There's like, 15 different ways you contradict yourself with this little statement.
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Old 08-05-2006, 11:55 AM   #107
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Old 08-05-2006, 12:31 PM   #108
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Damn, I'm not very fond of what ECW has turned out to be, but reading your post doesn't do anything for that argument. Did you ever actually follow ECW? The whole "omfg kurt angel iz nut dat hardkore so he shudnt b in it" line proved to me that you know nothing about ECW. For every Sandman, there was a Chris Benoit. For every Sabu, there was an RVD (yeah, you could call him "hardcore", but he's as much about high flying and aerial attacks as anything else). For every Tommy Dreamer, there was a Dean Malenko. For every Balls Mahoney, there was a Lance Storm. For every Axl Rotten, there was a Steve Corino.

The list goes on and on and on.
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Old 08-05-2006, 01:00 PM   #109
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Yeah, RVD was sorta hardcore, but he was less about a hardcore match than a couple of hardcore spots within a match.

Some of the greatest non-hardcore wrestlers came out of ECW, including not just technical wrestlers, but high-fliers. I mean, Vermie himself fellates Msyterio, who is a damn fine example of a fast-paced guy who is not reputed for being either technical or hardcore.
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Old 08-05-2006, 01:14 PM   #110
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LOOK UP IRONY IN THE DICTIONARY.
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Maybe you should learn to SPELL. It's "neutered", and do YOU have any idea what that MEANS? Not KNOWING how to spell NEUTERED is a FAILURE.
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Old 08-05-2006, 01:25 PM   #111
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The funny thing is, he needs a better grasp on ironic, too.

Ironic is not "missing a post while already making another post," and the calling him "special." Too bad the only irony here is his lack of a grasp on irony.

But spelling Neutered wrong? Not really horribly bad. Especially since he is "special."
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Old 08-05-2006, 02:14 PM   #113
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Not to mention [RVD] can't handle the microphone.
LMAO
Yeah, you really didn't watch ECW did you? His original ECW promos were awesome.

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It's called logic. There is no reason why Dudleys wouldn't want to work for the WWE unless it was a money issue. They are wrestlers, WWE is the best wrestling federation, so of course they want to be there so I guess WWE didn't give them the money they deserved. Anything else is NOT LOGICAL.
So how come you don't accept this same LOGIC whenever it's used to criticize your heroes, Rey Mysterio Jr and John Cena? How come you didn't accept this same LOGIC when it was used to argue why the WWE Cruiserweights were being limited?

Your excuses are valid on their own, but you use them inconsistently--only when they help you. When they hurt you, you turn to another excuse.

Oh, and CAPS used for EMPHASIS lose their EFFECT when you use them every OTHER sentence. Eventually, you just SOUND like you're and OLD man YELLING at the kids to get off his YARD.

So try to gain a grasp of proper English writing technique and effect before you go off pretending to be better than us by whining about name calling and similar petty complaints.
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Old 08-05-2006, 02:18 PM   #114
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Well, i mean. Did you really expect it to be the old ECW? Everyone expected Vince to take control of it in a coupe months, but he did it in a couple weeks. WWECW, not ECW my friend.
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Old 08-05-2006, 03:02 PM   #115
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Yeah, you really didn't watch ECW did you? His original ECW promos were awesome.
Yeah, it's extremely funny watching someone who demonstrates no knowledge of ECW bashing the new ECW for not being like the old ECW.
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Old 08-05-2006, 03:53 PM   #116
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Am I incorrect in pointing out it took Vermaat at least 15 hours to formulate that list of matches?
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Old 08-05-2006, 04:01 PM   #117
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I don't know. That would require me to go back and look for the post where he replied, and then figure out how long it took from the original question. The latter part is easy, the former would be PAINFUL.
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Old 08-05-2006, 04:08 PM   #118
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Usually I respect the opinions of people, but every match between those 2 was utter shit.
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Old 08-05-2006, 04:29 PM   #120
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But the old ECW didn't, even though they ran concurrent with promotions that did. You said that people who bad CZW shoulddn't call themselves ECW fans (via your logic that if people call CZW garbage they call hardcore garbage).

There's like, 15 different ways you contradict yourself with this little statement.
I don't see a contradiction. ProTip: Just because you want there to be a contradiction, doesn't mean there will be.

The old ECW did not but they wouldn't put it out of the picture. The new ECW would NEVER do it.

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For every Sabu, there was an RVD (yeah, you could call him "hardcore", but he's as much about high flying and aerial attacks as anything else). For every Tommy Dreamer, there was a Dean Malenko. For every Balls Mahoney, there was a Lance Storm. For every Axl Rotten, there was a Steve Corino.
Like I said, they had techies but they were not the focus of the show. It was EXTREME that was the focus and extreme and dean malenko don't mix lol

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Some of the greatest non-hardcore wrestlers came out of ECW, including not just technical wrestlers, but high-fliers. I mean, Vermie himself fellates Msyterio, who is a damn fine example of a fast-paced guy who is not reputed for being either technical or hardcore.
Mysterio is the total package. Like you said, he's a high flier, he doesnt need to be hardcore or techinical. I don't see any point in mentioning rey, I didn't deny that ECW had some great high fliers and total packages like Rey Mysterio.

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Maybe you should learn to SPELL. It's "neutered", and do YOU have any idea what that MEANS? Not KNOWING how to spell NEUTERED is a FAILURE.
Oh wow a spelling error, yeah that makes my point false because I mispelled a word. This isn't a spelling contest. This is the internet.

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The funny thing is, he needs a better grasp on ironic, too.

Ironic is not "missing a post while already making another post," and the calling him "special." Too bad the only irony here is his lack of a grasp on irony.
It was ironic because you're saying others are stupid when you are doing somehing extremely stupid.

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Yeah, you really didn't watch ECW did you? His original ECW promos were awesome.
I don't see anything amazing in his promos. Maybe its a DIFFERENCE OF OPINION but I think he's boring on the mic especially compared to Cena.

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So how come you don't accept this same LOGIC whenever it's used to criticize your heroes, Rey Mysterio Jr and John Cena? How come you didn't accept this same LOGIC when it was used to argue why the WWE Cruiserweights were being limited?
You really wanna go back to that argument? You guys had no point. There is a clear point in my Dudley argument. They can not possibly have any other reason for not joining ECW, just not enough money because they were perfectly happy in WWE for years.

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Oh, and CAPS used for EMPHASIS lose their EFFECT when you use them every OTHER sentence. Eventually, you just SOUND like you're and OLD man YELLING at the kids to get off his YARD.
I don't do this, I only use caps to emphasize points. Just because you say something false about me doesn't make it true, sorry

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So try to gain a grasp of proper English writing technique and effect before you go off pretending to be better than us by whining about name calling and similar petty complaints.
I am obviously more mature then anyone resorting to name calling and spamming threads

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Usually I respect the opinions of people, but every match between those 2 was utter shit.
Well maybe hardcore isn't your style then because it was an ace hardcore match.

You people really have trouble with READING COMPREHENSION. Maybe you guys should reread posts a couple of times befor responding to them. All I have said about the new ECW is true and it is clear that it is not hardcore anymore. Watch a CZW watch and watch a new ECW match you will see who is the real hardcore and who is the real innovator. Now watch old ECW and the new ECW and you will see a difference just as big. You people think my point is "ECW shouldn't have technical wrestlers because it never did" NO that is not my point and I never said that. Try to understand the point I am making before you make yourselves look any more foolish.
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