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Old 11-15-2006, 03:02 PM   #1
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Another thing, i've seen it in the thread, but the roster split between RAW and SD! needs to end. We know why they've done it, but they need to think about the future. It is a good business move if they are REALLY competing, but everyone knows that Vince owns it all so no one will take it seriously. Plus, the WWE currently feels like it doesn't need a reason to bring the highest quality shows. With no real competition, they feel they can do this. This is one reason why i believe the buying of WCW was the worst thing for wrestling.
Ending the roster split means less filler matches if they want to go in that direction. Having played the SD vs Raw game in Gm mode I can't help but think how easier it would be to book a show with a full roster. It gets so boring the more you limit your options. Don't believe me? Try it yourself.

And it's not a good business move in the sense that if someone at the top gets injured, they haven't got enough wrestlers ready to step up now.
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Old 11-15-2006, 03:36 PM   #2
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You've lost me KK. You think anything anyone says/does is retarded though, so I'll just laugh that comment off.
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Old 11-15-2006, 06:04 PM   #3
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You've lost me KK. You think anything anyone says/does is retarded though, so I'll just laugh that comment off.
No, I save it for people who are especially stupid, like the twats who think it's necessary to point out, in an instance of speculation, that it's "your opinion." That's obvious, unneccessary, and stupid. If that's your only argument, then you don't have an argument. Of course it's my opinion, that's understood by the intelligent folks.
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Old 11-15-2006, 06:34 PM   #4
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No, I save it for people who are especially stupid, like the twats who think it's necessary to point out, in an instance of speculation, that it's "your opinion." That's obvious, unneccessary, and stupid. If that's your only argument, then you don't have an argument. Of course it's my opinion, that's understood by the intelligent folks.
The thing is KK you act like your opinion is the only one that matters and bash everyone elses as retarded or whatever. So i felt I had to point it out, call me names if you must, if it makes you feel any better.
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Oh, right, but I'm sure this time it'll all work out.
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Oh, right, but I'm sure this time it'll all work out.
I bet you it will bring better ratings and more revenue than it the WWE is gaining now. I would bet money on that. (waiting for criticism of post)
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How long ago did the roster split happen? And it's just now affecting the ratings? I doubt it. The shitty product is a much more realistic explanation. Combining the rosters isn't going to accomplish anything more than mucking things up even further. More talent will get buried if Cena, Umaga, DX, etc. appear on both shows, which they inevitably will.
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How long ago did the roster split happen? And it's just now affecting the ratings? I doubt it. The shitty product is a much more realistic explanation. Combining the rosters isn't going to accomplish anything more than mucking things up even further. More talent will get buried if Cena, Umaga, DX, etc. appear on both shows, which they inevitably will.

3 years, and its been a problem since after the first year i would say. They've lost around a million viewers during that time, so its obviously not working anymore.Your point about wrestlers getting buried ridiculous though, wrestlers get buried regardless of whether there's a roster split or not. Plus it would force them to work a lot harder than they're now, and now there's ECW, anyone important who gets lost in the shuffle could be sent there.
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Old 11-15-2006, 07:11 PM   #9
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3 years, and its been a problem since after the first year i would say. They've lost around a million viewers during that time, so its obviously not working anymore.Your point about wrestlers getting buried ridiculous though, wrestlers get buried regardless of whether there's a roster split or not. Plus it would force them to work a lot harder than they're now, and now there's ECW, anyone important who gets lost in the shuffle could be sent there.
Obviously wrestlers are getting buried either way; that's the nature of the business. But you can limit the amount of talent that is wasted by putting more of them on TV. The roster split affords them the ability to do that. As much as I was and am still opposed to it, the WWE is in pretty deep with this roster split business and fixing it is going to be much more difficult than simply combining them together again.
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Old 11-15-2006, 06:33 PM   #10
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Who will get buried that shouldn't be? Realistically speaking. If we are going to talk about people getting buried, we should use KK's opinion in that that, historically, wrestlers getting buried have been in wrestling for years.
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Old 11-15-2006, 06:36 PM   #11
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It's not so much who they have on the roster now (because a lot of them do need to be buried), but the time that they will allow themselves to build completely new stars. If the old faces are busy trying to make waves on Mondays and Fridays, that leaves a lot less time for the undercard to grow and improve. I see it causing the WWE to stagnate even further, which is the last thing that they need.
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As much as i hate good talent being buried and 'old' faces being on the screen, you have maintain a level of "We are the best company" quality. If that means that you have to have familiar faces mainstreaming for a while, then so be it. I do not want to see Triple H burying a GOOD contender for the main event status, but i do believe that the dead weight will be obviously displayed. I know right now, Triple H is probably telling Vince "see what happens when the title is off of me", but even he can't boost the ratings by himself.

I just think that ending the roster split will make people "get on the grind" and try their best to be on the show. One thing that the WWE needs to do better in the future if they do end the roster split is to LISTEN TO THE FANS' REACTION(S). If Cena is getting booed, time to make him a heel. However, if a heel is getting cheers DOES NOT mean that you have to turn him. For every legit heel, there has to be a legit face.
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Old 11-15-2006, 06:53 PM   #13
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It's worth noting that WWE has botched Orton. They've botched Cena. They've botched potentially the biggest things in pro wrestling this time. They've had some potentially large stars that have basically fallen to the flaws of the WWE machine. To say that the problem is with a divided roster is to basically ignore the fact that they cannot handle their talent, and have squandered the talent that they have to work with. The lackluster rosters are due to that, not to some far-fetched ideal.

The same is true with ECW. What did they start to do when the ratings weren't up to par? Yup. They emphasised the part of the program that was shittiest.

Occam's Razor.
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I'm sure they could fit them all into a 2 hour show, and send the rest who get left out to ecw, especially when they will have both raw and smackdown to use them on, ending the roster split will mean less squash matches, that's for sure. I just think you're just exaggerating to make your point seem logical tbh. It worked back in the day, so why can't it work now? Think about it for a bit.
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I could be wrong on this one and am far too lazy to research the numbers, but I'm fairly sure that WWE employs more in-ring talent now than they did in the past. So obviously somebody's going to have to lose TV time if the rosters are combined. And shoving them onto ECW won't do much good. They've already got more people on that roster than they utilize.
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I could be wrong on this one and am far too lazy to research the numbers, but I'm fairly sure that WWE employs more in-ring talent now than they did in the past. So obviously somebody's going to have to lose TV time if the rosters are combined. And shoving them onto ECW won't do much good. They've already got more people on that roster than they utilize.
But this time it'll be different.

No, seriously, for the most part you're right. Compared the the amount of programming, this is more talent than they would otherwise employ. Once people are on both shows again, the TV time is reduced, and the need for wrestlers is reduced.

People will lose TV time, and it'll be to an extra DX segment, an extra Undertaker or Batista segment, or an extra Cena/Choomaga segment. It's totally naïve to think otherwise.
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I could be wrong on this one and am far too lazy to research the numbers, but I'm fairly sure that WWE employs more in-ring talent now than they did in the past. So obviously somebody's going to have to lose TV time if the rosters are combined. And shoving them onto ECW won't do much good. They've already got more people on that roster than they utilize.
If they gave ECW a 2 hour time slot aswell then it wouldn't be a problem. But regardless of how many wrestlers they employ these days, there's a lot of them that i don't give a shit about and certainly wouldn't miss if they lost their tv time. They could always bring back stables aswell, that would help deal with the problem.
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If they gave ECW a 2 hour time slot aswell then it wouldn't be a problem. But regardless of how many wrestlers they employ these days, there's a lot of them that i don't give a shit about and certainly wouldn't miss if they lost their tv time. They could always bring back stables aswell, that would help deal with the problem.
Or, more likely, they could bury and/or fire most of the people who are neither Cena nor DX.
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Old 11-16-2006, 01:13 AM   #20
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OMG this is such a stupid arguement. Anyone who's been a wrestling fan for 10 years or more, can see that things in wwe are more terrible than they've ever been.
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Yeah, what Fignuts said. This is easily the worst the WWE has ever been.
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Old 11-16-2006, 05:55 PM   #23
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Again, I'm not criticising you because I disagree with you.

I am criticising you because of the actual content of your argument.

And because you seem to dense to comprehend the difference.

I know it's easy to cwy about the big bad kk, and shed widdle teaws, but honestly, you then have to ignore anyone I disagree with without condemning. And yes, I know you will play the "but there's nobody on that list" card.

...Why? Because it's easier for you to be full of shit than to actually come up with a reasonable argument.
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last weeks smackdown was one of the best in quite awhile, the regal match was very good, plus mvp did not look as awful as before
Yes, it did fair pretty well. And it'll probably be the best show for a long time to come. The problem is that odds say it will be crap the next time around. Anytime the WWE does a good job on a show, they turn right around and completely fuck it up. They continue to get worse and worse, and every once and a blue moon they manage to put out a good show.

It's been on a downward spiral for years now, and it's most likely not going to get any better in the long haul. Why am I so negative about it? Because I've watched it for years, and it's never been looking as bad as it does right now. Unless something drastically changes (No, I don't count hiring more talentless bimbos as a drastic change OR something good for the product), then it will continue to slowly snuff out. And I don't see anything that will cause WWE to take a turn for the better coming for a long time...if even at all.
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Old 11-20-2006, 06:39 PM   #27
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What does that have to do with anything?
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Old 11-21-2006, 12:49 PM   #28
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Kane Knight is like this old man that snaps if you try to talk to him. Solution? Don't.
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Old 11-21-2006, 01:27 PM   #29
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Or just take him head on, and don't take what he says personally. I've lost a few arguments with him since joining up here, and been called a few choice names. But who gives a fuck? We've agreed on a few other things, and it all evens out.

But, oh yeah, fuck KK.
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Old 11-21-2006, 05:43 PM   #30
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Or just take him head on, and don't take what he says personally. I've lost a few arguments with him since joining up here, and been called a few choice names. But who gives a fuck? We've agreed on a few other things, and it all evens out.

But, oh yeah, fuck KK.
Are you STUPID? This is the internet...SERIOUS business! Of course you have to take it personally!

Fucking retard.
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Old 11-21-2006, 01:47 PM   #31
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I still haven't really had a disagreement with KK. You guys must be doing something wrong.
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Old 11-21-2006, 02:25 PM   #32
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Oh, yeah, I know, I've agreed with KK on many occasions, too. But to be called a fucking retard out of nowhere is something I'd expect from a noob, not him.
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Old 11-21-2006, 05:40 PM   #33
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Oh, yeah, I know, I've agreed with KK on many occasions, too. But to be called a fucking retard out of nowhere is something I'd expect from a noob, not him.
Being a masshole, you should probably be used to it.

But seriously, what most people seem to be intelligent enough to get is that this is not a serious word for me. In fact, my use of it on this board directly ties to sledge's little blowup in 5 forums at once. You're "special," so I'll explain this for you. Most people get it, after they see me bust out "retard" in one thread, and then go back to normal discussion, even with the same person. Hmmm...It's almost like...

Nah. Obviously, I'm just snapping at people. There's no other explanation.

In your case, you're a hypocrite. There's a pretty good chance you're just not smart enough to see why, and that's why you seem to be whining about me. I ignored your remarks towards me for a long time, and only really started saying anything back after you had the balls to whine about me like a hypocrite. In your case, if you want, I can mean it when I call you "retarded." Will it make you feel better?

Very well then. I'll help you nail yourself to a cross like the fucking martyr you are.
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Old 11-22-2006, 03:52 AM   #34
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I AM NOT A RETARD.
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Old 11-22-2006, 07:46 AM   #35
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Talk about hook, line, sinker, the lake, the bait shop, and the small boat!
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Old 11-22-2006, 11:22 AM   #36
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LOL, yeah, KK, it's not the use of the word "retard" that bothers me. But of course if you had an ounce of intelligence in that worthless little brain of yours, you would've figured that out by now. (See what I did there? I pulled a KK!)

It's not the word that bothers me, it's the fact that you feel the need to resort to name-calling to get your point across. Quite sad, really.
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Old 11-22-2006, 01:22 PM   #37
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LOL, yeah, KK, it's not the use of the word "retard" that bothers me. It's my own blatant hypocrisy!
There, I fixed it for you. And yes, I know it's not just the word retard. I simplified it. Something you were doing, but again, you call the kettle black. You seem fond of hypocrisy. "I disapprove of the same methods I keep using!"

Good job, retard.
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Old 11-22-2006, 12:13 PM   #38
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I still need to learn that sarcasm does not translate well to the internet without a little smilie icon to denote it.
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Old 11-22-2006, 01:23 PM   #39
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I still need to learn that sarcasm does not translate well to the internet without a little smilie icon to denote it.
NO! EVERYTHING IS LITERAL *RRRRAAAAR SPAAAAAZZ* INSULTS ARE DEEP AND CUTTING THINGS AND ALWAYS INTENDED AS SUCH!
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Old 11-23-2006, 10:44 PM   #40
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Hah, Kane Knight, seriously, you're ridiculous. I'm not going to back it up with soe long, contrived argument filled with name-calling and pedantic whining. Take it as it is: You're ridiculous.
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