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Old 01-17-2007, 07:39 PM   #81
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Yes, those would have been completely logical explanations. But with all the talent they had, they could have pulled off a better shocker than that. Benoit, Jericho and Tazz weren't doing much, and they were all ready for the ME. Benoit was in WCW at the time so it would have been a bit of a stretch, but would have worked better. Jericho would have worked great if they were willing to turn him heel that early with the reactions he was getting as a face. But in my mind the best choice would have been Tazz. What more of a thug thing to do than run the top guy down in a car the week before your debut vignettes started running.

Or what about Kurt Angle? He had just won the title, he was a huge heel, and he had debuted on the night Austin was hit. Well we got Rikishi, and it was the first of many blown storylines and talent pushing oppurtunities that began to plauge them throughout the next few years.
Yeah. Anyone but Rikishi.

He kind of had a cooler "look" as a heel, but no one bought it, not even Rikishi. The fans didn't want to boo Rikishi -- and the cheap "I did it for my people" rationale really turned a lot of people off.

If it had been The Rock, even... that would have been awesome -- they could even have gotten the Wrestlemania X-7 heat started early.

Rock is one of those few that you could easily turn heel...and he had a history with Stone Cold as a heel, anyway.
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Old 01-17-2007, 07:48 PM   #82
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Yes, they could have teased out Austins return and the investigation longer. And had it all come back to the Rock, just in time for Wrestlemania. It would have worked for all the same reasons Rikishi "did it", only Rock did it to directly benefit himself rather than someone else doing it for him.
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Old 01-17-2007, 08:14 PM   #83
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It was a fad, ratings peaked and then they slowly started going away. That trend is still going on. And it will continue until another boom hits or it dies. Save a few jumps here and there. It never jumped the shark, it was like Pac-Man, at some point people had gotten their fill.
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Old 01-17-2007, 08:16 PM   #84
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I don't think people "got their fill" with Pac-Man. They just found something new and improved.
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Old 01-17-2007, 08:17 PM   #85
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Nah like right after Pac-Man fever people thought video-games were dead. No one was into them. It wasn't for a year or two down the road that video games got new life.
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...Which, incidentally, had as much to do with the mistakes of video game companies as it did with the public's interest.

The moral of this story, children?

Sometimes people lose interst. More often than not, there's a reason behind it.
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Old 01-17-2007, 08:59 PM   #87
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Old 01-18-2007, 12:19 PM   #90
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I was thinking about something...a theory as to why things "fell apart"

At the beginning of the monday night wars, the business was relatively unchanged over the years. By todays standards, it was slow moving. Once the compettition heated up, so did the business. Things sped up. It was no longer as slow moving as before, it became a weekly soap opera. One of the things about this was to trump the compettition.

Normally, we had a few champions a year if that. In the year 1999, 7 seperate men held the WWF championship, and it changed hands much more than that. A year later in 2000, only 4 men were champions and for much longer periods of time. Why was this? because the WCW was dropping faster than a prom dress, the WWF had won and the compettition was all but over.
This wasn't neccesarily a bad thing. The speed would have gotten out of hand, but the fast paced unpredictable environment was what made things so entertaining, and once the compettition ended it came to a screeching hault.

In 2000, things began to slow down drastically and become tamer. And the trait continued through the years. Couple that with the influx of talent and you have two opposite things tugging on the success from seperate ends. Less momentum, more weight. Things naturally froze up.
Slowing the business down may have been a neccesary thing, but it caused things to get less interesting. Nobody wants to ride a roller coaster on slow after they just rode it on top speed right before. Just a theory.
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Old 01-18-2007, 01:40 PM   #92
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In order to say that Raw jumped the shark, I think you'd have to believe that there's no hope that it will become good again one day. That being said, Raw has not jumped the shark in my eyes. Sure a lot of fucking retarded things have happened, but I think that it's salvagable.
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Old 01-18-2007, 02:15 PM   #93
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Interesting to notice that...

1) 1 week after HHH won the WWF title the 1st time the ratings dropped 1.7 points the next week, gained .2 point the following week but jumped back up to 6's the 3 weeks that Vinnie Mac won the title(9/14/99, the Raw on 9/13 was a 6.0), the week he VACATED the championship(9/20 [6.1]) and the night following Unforgiven '99 (9/27 [6.8].

2) In the weeks around the time HHH lost the title and regained from the Big Show and lost it to The Rock the ratings were between 4.4(2/14/00) and 6.8(1/10/00) with a 6.4 the night HHH won it back on 1/3 and peaked the week after Jericho's title win that "never happened" on 4/24(7.1, 6.7 on 4/17 when Jericho almost won the title) and 7.4 the night The Rock won the title for his 4th time.

3) Ratings started falling afterwards with only one 7(7.1, 5/22) before the big ratings freefall began on 8/28(4.9, 6.2 on 8/21) the night following Summerslam.

4) Ratings haven't reached higher than 5.8 on 9/11 and 12/11/00 and reached a low of 2.4 on New Year's '01.

5) The last time ratings reached 5's was when WCW/ECW lost the ratings war and during the month of the WCW/ECW vs. WWF PPV Invasion.

Sorry to pull an Alienoid on you guys(with apologies for using Alienoid's style of making points) but about the time WWF won the Monday Night Wars was when RAW jumped the shark.
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Old 01-18-2007, 02:15 PM   #94
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WWE have fucked up by having two of their three brands distinguishable only by the name of their show.

Back in the day when the likes of WWF Superstars and WWF Prime Time Wrestling were looking tired, they got updated or replaced with fresh shows, which is how Monday Night Raw and the live weekly concept came to be in the first place.

After nearly 15 years, I would suggest that WWE can Monday Night Raw and come up with a new show with a new name and a slightly adjusted format, even if the basic concept is the same; that of live wrestling every Monday night. But the main problem is Raw is no longer just a TV show, but it is a whole brand. They have painted themselves into a corner because the strength of the Raw TV show is now at the mercy of the strength of the Raw roster... which seems common sense I know, but with a format change or a slight twist here or there, a new WWE show each Monday night could have enough novelty or, dare I say, be creative enough in it's new approach that the name value of the wrestlers take a back seat to the brand value of the show.

As an example I would cite WrestleMania, which usually sells out year after year in seconds without a match even announced. The same has happened for this year's show, and it looks to be the biggest WWE crowd since SummerSlam 92 in Wembley. All this, and the closest we had to a card at the time was the RUMOURED Hogan vs Big Show match, which was certain to be the pits anyway.

What I'm saying is the brand value of "WrestleMania" is worth more than any wrestler on the card. A new show, pushed as a "can't miss" television experience, and with several fresh and appealing aspects, could have a similar response to that which the original Monday Night Raw achieved back in 1993. The Raw name and style is tired, overexposed and, frankly, past its sell-by-date.

Of course, you could still call the brands Raw and SmackDown whilst giving the TV shows an overhaul. "WWE RAW presents Monday Night Carnage" or "WWE SmackDown presents Friday Night Fury". Something like that.

Ladies and gentlemen, NeanderCarl has once again talked himself into confusion and lost his point. Hmmm. I think you kinda get what I'm trying to say. Right?
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I was thinking about something...a theory as to why things "fell apart"

At the beginning of the monday night wars, the business was relatively unchanged over the years. By todays standards, it was slow moving. Once the compettition heated up, so did the business. Things sped up. It was no longer as slow moving as before, it became a weekly soap opera. One of the things about this was to trump the compettition.

Normally, we had a few champions a year if that. In the year 1999, 7 seperate men held the WWF championship, and it changed hands much more than that. A year later in 2000, only 4 men were champions and for much longer periods of time. Why was this? because the WCW was dropping faster than a prom dress, the WWF had won and the compettition was all but over.
This wasn't neccesarily a bad thing. The speed would have gotten out of hand, but the fast paced unpredictable environment was what made things so entertaining, and once the compettition ended it came to a screeching hault.

In 2000, things began to slow down drastically and become tamer. And the trait continued through the years. Couple that with the influx of talent and you have two opposite things tugging on the success from seperate ends. Less momentum, more weight. Things naturally froze up.
Slowing the business down may have been a neccesary thing, but it caused things to get less interesting. Nobody wants to ride a roller coaster on slow after they just rode it on top speed right before. Just a theory.
In 2000, While WWF only had 4 World Champs(Big Show, HHH, The Rock, Kurt Angle)... WCW(in what was their final full year in business) had 12 different champions(13 if you count Hogan's "win" at BatB, with Russo's worked "shoot promo" following)(including 2 non-wrestlers in Vince Russo and David Arquette)(Bret Hart(vacated on 1/15 due to his career-ending injury)Benoit, Sid, Nash, Jarrett, DDP, Arquette, Flair, Booker T, Vince Russo, and Scott Steiner)
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RAW and Smackdown! both need major overhauls. Particularly RAW.
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