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Old 04-04-2007, 08:29 PM   #81
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Old 04-04-2007, 08:50 PM   #82
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I am a Michaels fan, but will openly criticise him if I think he does something wrong, but Michaels isn't the issue - Cena is, and Cena did nothing wrong by not selling the leg at the end.
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Old 04-04-2007, 09:03 PM   #83
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I was just agreeing with someone when they mentioned how Super Cena ran full throttle out of the corner without any trouble to nail Michaels with a clothesline... when only moments before he was selling the leg injury like death.

I didn't let it bother me or claim it ruined the match, but it was a REAL noticeable spot. Even a few of my casual wrestling friends stopped paying attention to the match to razz me about the spot and saying wrestling is fake and whatever when they saw it. So I can understand why some people may claim that it hurt the match, but in no way do I think anyone can say it ruined the match. However, I'd wager that it probably hurt the match to a degree or two though.

...But still, it was a damn fine match in my opinion.
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You answered all of them right except the last one BDC. It was a trick question. Luckily I was able to go to the future in a Delorian that Kurt Angle built me out of his belly button lint and I've seen the match. At Wrestlemania 25, both Cena and Hogan refuse to sell any moves or put each other over the entire match. They then FIRE UP simultaniously on each other at the end, which comes off as ridiculous because neither was ever in peril. After a 3 hour time limit, there are no pin falls and the match is ruled a draw.

J.R. mistakes the sound of 80,000 fans collectively blowing their heads off for a gigantic grand finale firework ending and pronounces the match "BBBBAAAWWWGGGGAAAAAWWWWDDDDD THE GREATEST MAIN EVENT IN WRESTLEMANIA HISTORY" as they go off the air.

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NO, Hogan makes everyone job to him.
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Old 04-04-2007, 09:35 PM   #85
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I was just agreeing with someone when they mentioned how Super Cena ran full throttle out of the corner without any trouble to nail Michaels with a clothesline... when only moments before he was selling the leg injury like death.

I didn't let it bother me or claim it ruined the match, but it was a REAL noticeable spot. Even a few of my casual wrestling friends stopped paying attention to the match to razz me about the spot and saying wrestling is fake and whatever when they saw it. So I can understand why some people may claim that it hurt the match, but in no way do I think anyone can say it ruined the match. However, I'd wager that it probably hurt the match to a degree or two though.

...But still, it was a damn fine match in my opinion.
I didn't see the match, but there is no way this could hurt the match the way people claimed it did, so I agree. I mean, maybe there were other things that hurt it as well...I don't know. But not selling an injury, while lame as all fuck, couldn't kill the match.
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Old 04-05-2007, 12:47 AM   #86
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Cena was getting jeered pretty heavily. The Boo/Yay thing sticks out in my mind. (Although I enjoy WWE bending it over and taking it from the fans)

Although most of the reason the match blew was because Cena is shit in the ring. Not to state the fucking obvious.
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Old 04-05-2007, 01:48 AM   #87
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I think he said, "let's go, I've got a job to DO"
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Old 04-05-2007, 01:50 AM   #88
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I didn't see the match, but there is no way this could hurt the match the way people claimed it did, so I agree. I mean, maybe there were other things that hurt it as well...I don't know. But not selling an injury, while lame as all fuck, couldn't kill the match.
Seriously. That match had other problems going for it than just someone forgetting to sell a knee injury. That didn't even stand out to me. It looked like they went out there with like no plan and by the time they came up with one, they had lost a good amount of the audience.
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Old 04-05-2007, 05:55 AM   #89
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Seriously. That match had other problems going for it than just someone forgetting to sell a knee injury. That didn't even stand out to me. It looked like they went out there with like no plan and by the time they came up with one, they had lost a good amount of the audience.

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner. Even with the no sell, the match lost steam haflway through it IMHO.
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Old 04-05-2007, 06:03 AM   #90
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Agreed, Michaels and Cena had no semblance of chemistry in the ring. I'd blame that on the shitty build, the over exposure of the champion and the fact that they'd been teaming for what seems like an age and were tag champs.

All in all, it was truly shitty since they announced it after the Rumble, what happened Sunday was a culmination of that, adding in the fact that Cena is an awful worker, and Michaels knowing this from the moment he arrived at the ring.
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Old 04-05-2007, 07:35 AM   #91
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It was the best match of the night, Cena not selling a leg doesn't knock it down because that isn't what wrestling is about, and the report about what Meltzer said is a fraud. End of story.

I disagree. Batista vs Undertaker was the best match of the night.
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Agreed, Michaels and Cena had no semblance of chemistry in the ring. I'd blame that on the shitty build, the over exposure of the champion and the fact that they'd been teaming for what seems like an age and were tag champs.

All in all, it was truly shitty since they announced it after the Rumble, what happened Sunday was a culmination of that, adding in the fact that Cena is an awful worker, and Michaels knowing this from the moment he arrived at the ring.
Frankly, I don't see what storyline build has to do with chemistry in the ring. As for them teaming, I would think that if anything, that would help, rather than hurt.

Also, OMG THERE IZ NO WAY MIKALZ SAD HE HA HAD A JOB 2 DO HE SAD CENA EYE HAF 2 JOB 2 U EYE NO B/C DA INTANET REPORTR SAD SO!!!!!!!!111111
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And makes a lot more sense, too.
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Old 04-05-2007, 09:56 AM   #94
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It looked like they went out there with like no plan and by the time they came up with one, they had lost a good amount of the audience.
Yeh, because the crowd wasn't going crazy for the last section of the match or anything. Geez, they were only the loudest they were all night.

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I disagree. Batista vs Undertaker was the best match of the night.
Perfectly entitled to your opinion, my preference was the Cena/Michaels match as I felt it built better and the sequences at the end were more dramatic.
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He doesn't need to though, like others have said, he's a suck-up to McMahon in the back and has the kids cheering for him - so therefore getting a free ride.

I've said for a long time (and been shot down a lot for it too) that Cena - as champion, has as much say in the direction of his character as the bookers do. He's the most marketable star (I won't argue that) and could easily say to people in the back - You know, its time for me to lose the Superman thing. It's time for me to be a heel. It's time for me to do something more than I was doing 3/4 years back. It's time for me to drop the title and chase it, maybe even dip into a no.1 contenders feud with Orton for a while.

People say 'well the Rock only had 5 moves etc etc', the difference being that The Rock was far far more over than Cena is, and he was unafraid of losing big matches, as was Austin. Unafraid of others being over.

He's the Hulk Hogan of now, probably an indication of why Michaels said what he did Monday night. Brother.
Austin was afraid to lose big (and small) matches as soon as made it to main event level. And HBK is hardly the most willing guy to do the job.

Seriously, anybody who makes out Cena is Superman and HBK is willing to do what's best for anybody other than himself seriously need to get their heads testing. if anything, Cena probably jobs more often than HBK...
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Yeh, because the crowd wasn't going crazy for the last section of the match or anything. Geez, they were only the loudest they were all night.



Perfectly entitled to your opinion, my preference was the Cena/Michaels match as I felt it built better and the sequences at the end were more dramatic.
The crowd were loudest during Batista/Undertaker entrances and for the finish to Batista/Undertaker match... I was at Ford Field and, believe me, nothing else came close to that.
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I disagree. Batista vs Undertaker was the best match of the night.
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If I havn't said it a thousand times before, I just want to record to state that I love Michaels.

(NOTE: I didn't watch Mania, so I have nothing intelligent to add to this conversation other than HBK markish fanboyism.)
Hey, at least you're honest about the fanboyism (rather than other who pretend they're not and look for any reason to bash whoever HBK may not like)
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As fot the no-selling of the leg, it has happened way too many times in matches (believe it or not, but HBK also does that himself in his matches). It's amazing how people can blame that for the reason why the match wasn't a classic.

Heck, for those who said HBK was going to get a MOTY out of Cena (I think it was Jeritron who said that somewhere) all you needed to do was watch the first 3 mins of the elimination chamber match at NYR 2006 to realise that HBK-Cena was never going to be a classic.

And whilst I'm on the subject, HBK was booed quite a lot during his entrance (more than Cena was, and way more than anybody could have guessed) even if that wasn't picked up much on tv... no doubt that would have pissed him off more than he let on.

What could have made the match even better would be if both wrestlers made the cover on each other straight after hitting their finishers on one another. I don't see why they would wait so long other than they wanted to protect how good their finishers are in front of the fanboys. It was the main event of Wrestlemania, the perfect opportunity to add more drama to the match by making a quick cover and then a kickout (a la Angle-HBK WM21 and Rock-Hogan WM18).

Man, Batista/Taker should have been the main event. That was the match that had the crowds eating out of their hands (metaphorically speaking)
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Frankly, I don't see what storyline build has to do with chemistry in the ring. As for them teaming, I would think that if anything, that would help, rather than hurt.
Pert of chemistry has to do with playing the audience's expectations. And the poor buildup to this match meant that there was no universal expectation. They weren't bitter rivals, they were... two guys who sorta seem to like each other, but not really, plus Michaels wants the belt again, and they're tag team champions but not really friends, and Michaels is a good guy but Cena is a good guy too...

That's why build is important to chemistry. Chemistry isn't just how two guys relate to each other, it's how the match as a whole goes down with the audience. The live audience cannot be ignored. Think of how much value is place on home-field advantage in team sports. Take a look at the "crowd made the match" thread. Hogan and the Rock had very little chemistry of their own in regards to each other; it was how they played off of the audience that gave it to them.
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As fot the no-selling of the leg, it has happened way too many times in matches (believe it or not, but HBK also does that himself in his matches). It's amazing how people can blame that for the reason why the match wasn't a classic.
RVD does it way more than anyone I can think of. I specifically remember his title match vs HHH, in which he ignored some five minutes of solid leg work to leap from the mat to the top rope. That kind of crap really turns me off to a match. I know it isn't real, but I need to be able to think it is while I watch it to enjoy it, and that nonsense doesn't help.
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