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Old 07-05-2007, 06:24 AM   #81
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You are mental if you think people can just walk into a gym and become a fighter.

More people can relate to pro wrestling because most kids played it with their friends in playgrounds or backyards. People can't relate to fighting. Well that's unless you getting into a scuffle in a club and fucking pull guard or something.
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WOW... I said it THRREE times and you still didnt get it. They wont become a fighter by just participating, but they will know exactly what its all about.

DID you seriously just compare MMA to a fight in a club?!?! HAHHAHA have you ever seen MMA? Do you know what it is? Have you ever been in a real fight?

Im assuming you saw that "street fight" on the Ultimate Fighter. Im going to capitalize this so you cant misunderstand this... THATS NOT HOW REAL STREET FIGHTS ARE LIKE. In MMA there is planning, strategy, and technique. In a real street fight its just a slug fest. In fact considering theres no rules its probably more like wrestling because someone will prolly pull a knife on you or hit you with something blunt.

Oh yea and soooo many kids fucking slam eachother or do flying leg drops in their backyard and playgrounds. Yea that would end well Not everyone is is as crazy as those few guys that make those backyard wrestling DVDs. Actual kids dont do moves to eachother and guess what happens when they do!!!!! THEY GET SERIOUSLY HURT!!! yea that would really make them love wrestling.

Seriously dude, you sound retarded.
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WOW... I said it THRREE times and you still didnt get it. They wont become a fighter by just participating, but they will know exactly what its all about.
How exactly does this differ from people going to wrestling schools then?

And kids don't always get hurt doing moves. I did play wrestling every day for like 4 years when I was a kid and me and my friends never got hurt. Stupid kids get hurt.
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Your right people can go to wrestling schools... now I dont know how accessable wrstling schools are around you but I live near Chicago and theres maybe one or two, and not anyone can join. However, theres different forms of martial arts facilities at almost every plaza you see. Now your gonna say THATS NOT MMA. Well its part of it. You learn something from one place, learn something else from another, start to put it together... and all of the sudden your mixing martial arts!!! Not to mention any big gym out there nowadays has BJJ or kickboxing classes in them. So nice job at trying to be clever

Im very proud of you that you managed not to be injured at all when you were playing with your friends... I did the same on a trampelene. I was also uninjured.. However Im sure you werent doing jumping piledrivers or 5 star splashes huh?
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You know im training to be a cage fighter...


Well I pretty much just walked into a gym and started that day. Does that mean I am an MMA fighter? No, it means im in training. Could I have done that for Pro Wrestling? Yeah because they need the money and they will take anyones money.
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Your right people can go to wrestling schools... now I dont know how accessable wrstling schools are around you but I live near Chicago and theres maybe one or two, and not anyone can join.
Are you serious? ANYONE can join wrestling schools. They take your money just like an MMA school would.

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Thanks for being proud of me. I wasn't doing 5 star frog splashes when I was a kid. That's mainly because the frog splash barely got it's first exposure about 5 years after I was playing wrestling. And I didn't do piledrivers because like I said earlier, I wasn't stupid. I'm glad you didn't get hurt too pal.
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You know im training to be a cage fighter...


Well I pretty much just walked into a gym and started that day. Does that mean I am an MMA fighter? No, it means im in training. Could I have done that for Pro Wrestling? Yeah because they need the money and they will take anyones money.
I'm training MMA too now. No intention of ever having a fight though. It's not for everyone.
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I think some of the stuff you guys are saying are both hitting on the right path, however you guys are almost going into 2 different directions.

Ok Rob, I agree about the gimmick thing with the people in MMA. However, MMA guys that act the way they do, generally act that way 24/7. Rampage, the real nice, funny black dude that everyone wants to be around because he is a cool guy, plays that role in real life. He is that person. Now the coming out with the big chain (which he always wears anyways) and howling, that's something completely different. That is what you are referring to, but that doesnt bother me. People can come out and show charisma.

What I am referring to is guys like John Q Whatever putting on makeup on his face and some particular article of clothing, and then going out into the cage and acting like a different person. I do not want that anywhere near MMA.
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A dude coming out and talking shit to hype his fight, thats one thing. A guy marching down to the cage dressed in camo because his fight name is "Army Ranger", then taking them off just to reveal some mma clothes would be fucking retarded.

Thats the cut and dry version of what I am trying to say, which I dont think either of you are defending or arguing against.
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That's what I was saying. I never said anything about characters in MMA having to be fake. Tito Ortiz and Rampage are two guys who have the right personalities that people would call them "characters". Not in a fake way, in the George Constanza "you are quite a character" kinda way. And they both have picked up ways to build fights and used it as a gimmick.

Two guys just fighting doesn't sell a fight. Every top fight needs a background/storyline. Even if it's just fighter A hates fighter B.
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I think some of the stuff you guys are saying are both hitting on the right path, however you guys are almost going into 2 different directions.

Ok Rob, I agree about the gimmick thing with the people in MMA. However, MMA guys that act the way they do, generally act that way 24/7. Rampage, the real nice, funny black dude that everyone wants to be around because he is a cool guy, plays that role in real life. He is that person. Now the coming out with the big chain (which he always wears anyways) and howling, that's something completely different. That is what you are referring to, but that doesnt bother me. People can come out and show charisma.

What I am referring to is guys like John Q Whatever putting on makeup on his face and some particular article of clothing, and then going out into the cage and acting like a different person. I do not want that anywhere near MMA.
Right... Being charismatic has nothing to do with gimmicks. Rampage is a tough aggressive fighter. He wears a chain and howels. Im sure thats more of either how hes reacting to the energy going through him from being in front of so many people, or a way to get into the head of his opponent. Probably both. But thats not a gimmick, because like what was already said, hes like that in real life.
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That's what I was saying. I never said anything about characters in MMA having to be fake. Tito Ortiz and Rampage are two guys who have the right personalities that people would call them "characters". Not in a fake way, in the George Constanza "you are quite a character" kinda way. And they both have picked up ways to build fights and used it as a gimmick.

Two guys just fighting doesn't sell a fight. Every top fight needs a background/storyline. Even if it's just fighter A hates fighter B.
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When you see Ortiz, Liddell and Rampage, you know it's 3 different fighters. If they were wrestlers in WWE, they'd all wear the same gear, have the same haircuts, talk the same scripted promos and never get over like they could.

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He admits he took all that from the Junkyard Dog. Hence it's a gimmick. Doesn't matter if he does it in real life or not. I couldn't care less if he howls at his wife to bring the dinner to the table or that he scares his kids before bed time.
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so are you gonna change your tune if someone else disagrees with you on something else?
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I'll elaborate on the Ortiz, Liddell, Rampage thing thing.

Back in the day, everyone in WWE had a different look and had to do their own promos. It made people want to be different from others in order to stick out to the fans. In 2007, everyone looks the same. Short cropped hair, boots and shorts/trunks and nobody does their own promos. This is the biggest pet peeve amongst wrestlers today. I'll use the Anti-Americans as an example. Regal, Storm, Test and Christian all had different looks, spoke different and worked different styles. When they got together as a group, Vince McMahon wanted all of them to look and talk like Lance Storm. Now if you do that, you lose identity and the fans care less about you. If you have one Lance Storm, that's fine and dandy. When you have four, who is gonna care about the first one?

Does this make sense?
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so are you gonna change your tune if someone else disagrees with you on something else?
Why would I? If someone proves me wrong about something, I would but until then, it's a no.
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yea but what does that have to do with mma?
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In MMA, you are allowed to be different. Hence why it's not the new wrestling (which was meant to be the point of this thread). Which brings me back to...

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In MMA, guys with talent get pushes and make money. In wrestling they don't.

In MMA, the promoters don't insult their fanbase. In wrestling, they do.

In MMA, the shows are worth paying money for. In wrestling, they aren't.

UFC books feuds that end in a real fight better than WWE or TNA does for 100% worked matches.
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i agree with all that
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Good because I no longer care about MMA or wrestling after all this
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haha me niether
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