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Old 10-08-2007, 04:39 PM   #81
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As proof that the casuals cared - saying Pillman only appealed to a small minority is dumb when looking at the facts, and while that was only one point of a few to disspell that notion, hey, Too Cool were a hot act in 2000. The rest of their record doesn't back them up in terms of being remembered as anything special, but that's besides the point.
Which part of this do you think helps your argument at all?

Venis, Long as a REFEREE, Scotty and company...

...The fact that so many people, including Venus, got strong reactions, and were considered "hot," though they are no longer viewed that way? The fact that you more or less relegated Pillman to Venus status depsite your argument? Or what?
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Old 10-08-2007, 05:04 PM   #82
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I wrote everything already to make the point about Pillman being over with the masses, 4.5 rating on TBS, etc...so go and read all that. You took one part of it and said that crowd reactions aren't a way to determine whether they're over or not, when that really has nothing to do with anything. The point I'm addressing was the dumb idea that Pillman never appealed beyond the smart fans, which anybody with an ounce of common sense, or ears, can disspell, because it was more than a minority. His standing with all-time greats or whatever isn't the issue.
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Old 10-08-2007, 05:08 PM   #83
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Im sure everyone tuned in just for Pillman....which is why he never main evented a show after that. he happened to be in a match with the biggest draw on their big show at the time and alot of people watched. That is like saying that People used to watch the big rated Nitros for Ricky rachman.
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Old 10-08-2007, 05:36 PM   #84
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Yeh, turns out you were right LC.
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Old 10-09-2007, 02:11 PM   #85
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Pillman hadn't solidified his status as a top guy yet, but he was getting there. He would have been a big name in the attitude era. The Loose Cannon character was just as groundbreaking and over the top as Stone Cold's character, the only problem being that he wouldn't heal his injuries before coming back, so he never reached his full potential. Its a shame really.
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Old 10-09-2007, 02:34 PM   #86
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I wrote everything already to make the point about Pillman being over with the masses, 4.5 rating on TBS, etc...so go and read all that. You took one part of it and said that crowd reactions aren't a way to determine whether they're over or not, when that really has nothing to do with anything. The point I'm addressing was the dumb idea that Pillman never appealed beyond the smart fans, which anybody with an ounce of common sense, or ears, can disspell, because it was more than a minority. His standing with all-time greats or whatever isn't the issue.
Errrr...No.

a 4.5 rating on TBS. So what. Cheers? So what? You cannot make an argument that he was unlike Val Venis and then use a good reaction to indicate how over he was, because it goes right back to the Venis bit.

You've got a very nice thread of convenient logic going here. The point you're addressing doubles back on itself, because it's a shite argument.

I think you know that, maybe you don't.
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Old 10-09-2007, 07:26 PM   #87
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Pillman hadn't solidified his status as a top guy yet, but he was getting there. He would have been a big name in the attitude era. The Loose Cannon character was just as groundbreaking and over the top as Stone Cold's character, the only problem being that he wouldn't heal his injuries before coming back, so he never reached his full potential. Its a shame really.

That's the thing. His potential, which was huge, got snuffed out. People here for some reason like to degrade dead people and claim death somehow taints our thoughts on the man, but his talent was there. It was that of an elite superstar, there can be no denying that. He didnt have a weakness, except his health.
We shouldnt be arguing about what Pillman was, because he was what he was..a great talent with untapped potential that could have attained that elite status, and quite easily.

Being booked for a time like shit...derrr Yellow Dog, like the ignoramus pointed out, isnt a fault to Pillman. It takes nothing away from what was being buried...which was more talent than most other wrestlers could ever hope to claim.
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Old 10-09-2007, 07:49 PM   #88
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That's the thing. His potential, which was huge, got snuffed out. People here for some reason like to degrade dead people and claim death somehow taints our thoughts on the man, but his talent was there. It was that of an elite superstar, there can be no denying that. He didnt have a weakness, except his health.
We shouldnt be arguing about what Pillman was, because he was what he was..a great talent with untapped potential that could have attained that elite status, and quite easily.

Being booked for a time like shit...derrr Yellow Dog, like the ignoramus pointed out, isnt a fault to Pillman. It takes nothing away from what was being buried...which was more talent than most other wrestlers could ever hope to claim.
You just supported your argument....with mine.

I have been saying that Pillman is not a legend, just a guy with talent that never got big, and in the end, his potential got "snuffed Out" and he is Yellow Dog that never lived up to his potential.
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Old 10-09-2007, 08:24 PM   #89
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Old 10-10-2007, 08:46 AM   #90
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Old 10-10-2007, 09:16 AM   #91
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Old 10-10-2007, 05:17 PM   #92
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