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Old 07-25-2008, 06:37 AM   #1
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Sebastian, you are so close to getting banned right now... you don't even know kid.

NO ONE disses Ultimo Dragon here.
Let me ask you a question:

As an Ultimo Mark, I can assume you've seen a lot of his work. Yes? K. How similar are their styles?

Cause thats really the only thing that gets me about this whole thing. It's like he doesn't understand what a style is. AJ Styles and Jeff Hardy do not have simialr style. Just because they both fly doesn't mean they work the same stlye, and I think that's where he coming from. Which is ludicris, but please: in your opinion do they have similar styles and why/or why not.
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Old 07-25-2008, 09:27 PM   #2
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Let me ask you a question:

As an Ultimo Mark, I can assume you've seen a lot of his work. Yes? K. How similar are their styles?

Cause thats really the only thing that gets me about this whole thing. It's like he doesn't understand what a style is. AJ Styles and Jeff Hardy do not have simialr style. Just because they both fly doesn't mean they work the same stlye, and I think that's where he coming from. Which is ludicris, but please: in your opinion do they have similar styles and why/or why not.
Ultimo Dragon is a former luchadore. His botched surgery pretty much grounded him for the most part. He can still fly and do 20 flips per match like any other guy in a mask, but he has enough substance (by that I mean psychology, mat skills, martial arts and a pretty fucking big moveset) to go for an hour without taking to the air once. If you watch most of his matches, it's mostly ground-based work with minimal flying outside of moves he innovated or popularized.

Rey has a pretty standard luchadore moveset, plus a few leg kicks here and there. His appeal is that he is a colourful little guy that kids can relate to because he beats up bigger guys.

Someone tell me I'm wrong.
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Old 07-25-2008, 10:13 PM   #3
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Ultimo Dragon is a former luchadore. His botched surgery pretty much grounded him for the most part. He can still fly and do 20 flips per match like any other guy in a mask, but he has enough substance (by that I mean psychology, mat skills, martial arts and a pretty fucking big moveset) to go for an hour without taking to the air once. If you watch most of his matches, it's mostly ground-based work with minimal flying outside of moves he innovated or popularized.

Rey has a pretty standard luchadore moveset, plus a few leg kicks here and there. His appeal is that he is a colourful little guy that kids can relate to because he beats up bigger guys.

Someone tell me I'm wrong.
You're wrong.

Nah, not really. And that's the thing. Dragon works awesome matches and wrestles in a style where he doesn't need to throw in 9000000 top rope moves to keep a match interesting. I doubt I'm even close to the biggest Dragon fan on the board, but I do very much enjoy him.

Then again, the criticism of him comes from a guy who won't vote for "a nigger," so it could very well be the fact that they're both non-white foreigners in masks that made him draw the conclusion.
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Old 07-25-2008, 06:15 AM   #4
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Old 07-25-2008, 10:39 AM   #5
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I love how everyone is disagreeing with him but somehow we are all still wrong.
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Old 07-25-2008, 02:20 PM   #6
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I love how everyone is disagreeing with him but somehow we are all still wrong.
He has the fact on his side.

No, but seriously, here's one way I can tell them apart.

Ultimo is awesome. Rey is flashy.
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Old 07-25-2008, 02:32 PM   #7
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Mistico > Rey at his peak > Rey now

They should drop him, get on their hands and knees for Mistico, and by the end of the week all the kiddies will buy Mistico's mask, and no one will remember Rey as anything more than a decent lucha who by virtue of his small stature even by lucha size and charisma happened to get a push by WWE.
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Old 07-25-2008, 03:31 PM   #8
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Ultimo Dragon does kind of look like Rey Mysterio.

I mean they're both cruiserweights of non-white or black nationality, both wear colorful masks and tights, and both CAN fly.

I can see the WWE wanting to bring him into the company in light of Rey Mysterio's success, sure.... but I can also see them wanting to bring him in based on his illustrious career and reputation as a great wrestler.

And the latter seems more realistic.
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Old 07-25-2008, 03:32 PM   #9
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Also, Rey Mysterio should go to TNA. I wouldn't mind seeing him mix it up with some of the young guys over there, and maybe he can teach them a thing or two.
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Old 07-26-2008, 09:57 PM   #10
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How much do these wrestlers make in merchandise sales and whatnot?

If those numbers already posted are relative ballpark estimates as to how much the top guys make, a six figure/low seven figure salary really isn't that much compared to athletes in other sports, or even to other entertainers. Even some of the mid card guys in the WWE are more well known than most of the top players in the NFL. Surely many of these wrestlers make more money off of action figure sales?
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Mysterio generally makes 1.7 million a year on merch.
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Old 07-27-2008, 12:31 AM   #12
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I don't care for Ray
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