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Old 09-17-2008, 03:09 PM   #81
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I just think it could be a good movie, and is approaching the subject material from a real world angle rather than as a saturday morning cartoon.
Other than that, I'll wait to see the movie before I judge it. I'll also judge it on two different counts: a) as a movie and b) as a wrestling movie.
But the point is, I'll see it and it certainly has the potential to be good.
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Old 09-17-2008, 03:11 PM   #82
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Fuck you Jeritron, and fuck your rational, nonjudgemental opinion of this movie. I demand you blindly take a side and defend it to a fault.
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Old 09-17-2008, 03:12 PM   #83
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One of the first things I said is that I would watch it.
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Certainly. I guess we just disagree on the approach and potential of the movie.
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And that's fine. Noid had to go as far as to say that my opinion was going to make me seem stupid, though. That's not exactly fair, and pretty hurtful at that.
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We have all said we are going to watch the movie.

I'm sorry but I've been dissapointed on so many movies that have turned out to only be vaguely based on things I love. Such as Transformer and knowing people don't really respect wrestling, I am just being pesimistic about this movie.
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Old 09-17-2008, 03:50 PM   #87
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Well that's because they're making a movie. It's changing mediums of entertainment. Certain things must be changed around.
Look at Lord of the Rings, and like you said Transformers.
Transformers would suck as a movie if it remained entirely faithful to everything from the cartoon. Maybe not to you, because you love the other material, but they're making a movie here.
Same with wrestling. If you made a movie of Monday Night Raw that wasn't changed for the purposes of cinema, you'd just get a tape of Monday Night Raw, and as a movie it would suck. Even if you were a fan, why wouldn't you just watch Raw?

They're making a movie here first and foremost.
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If they stayed faithful to transformers in the new movie it would have ruled. Case in point, the cartoon movie from the 80s ruled.
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I don't want the movie to be like going to a show. I just want the movie to treat wrestling the way that wrestling actually is. From the sounds of it, they are not. You could still feasibly have a good story and treat the wrestling industry like the actual wrestling industry.
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I think I would feel better about it if they had some bigger names in the wrestling industry in it. People who wouldn't stand for a misrepresentation of the industry that they eat, sleep, and breathe. The wrestlers featured in this sound like they would just do anything to be in a movie.

Hopefully, I'm wrong. I really hope I am. But as it stands, I haven't read anything to prove me wrong.
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I don't want the movie to be like going to a show. I just want the movie to treat wrestling the way that wrestling actually is. From the sounds of it, they are not. You could still feasibly have a good story and treat the wrestling industry like the actual wrestling industry.

I was adressing BDC. Even though you guys are arguing from the same side, you're both bringing up different points so I can only speak to one viewpoint at a time or else the argument will get tangled, and you'll assume responses to BDC's statements are directed to you and unfounded.
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I think I would feel better about it if they had some bigger names in the wrestling industry in it. People who wouldn't stand for a misrepresentation of the industry that they eat, sleep, and breathe. The wrestlers featured in this sound like they would just do anything to be in a movie.

Hopefully, I'm wrong. I really hope I am. But as it stands, I haven't read anything to prove me wrong.
Well isn't it using all fictional characters in a setting to portray a story in the wrestling world? Bull Durham and The Natural are great baseball movies. They don't use real baseball players or even actors portraying real baseball names.
You see what I'm saying here?
I think you're expecting a different kind of movie, rather than this movie being in some way flawed.
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I was adressing BDC. Even though you guys are arguing from the same side, you're both bringing up different points so I can only speak to one viewpoint at a time or else the argument will get tangled, and you'll assume responses to BDC's statements are directed to you and unfounded.
I wasn't addressing anybody. Just saying what I thought from what I read.
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So wait...I only skimmed the thread, so maybe I missed something, but it looks like Noid is frothing from the mouth about how awesome this is, and other people are saying "you're jumping to conclusions," and he's jumping all over them.

Sounds strangely familiar.
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Theres a big difference between the type of movie you're suggesting, compared to the type of movie this is. They're different types of movies, rather than one of them being poorly executed.

For example:
Jerry McGuire. It uses fake athletes to tell a fictional story set in a realistic sports world
Bull Durham. Same

Almost Famous. Same, only with music.

Movies set in the filmmaking industry, like Tropic Thunder, Be Cool, Adaptation.


There are countless other examples of movies like this, that are in the setting and world, but use purely fictional characters, stories and other details to serve as a way to give an overall depiction. They're all based in truth.

Then you have movies that may use a fictional character or story, but use real names or events from it's setting:
At the moment I can't really think of any, but I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.

Curb Your Enthusiasm is sort of an example.

Like in Knocked Up. They have the fictional character played by Katherine Heigl work at E!, and you see Ryan Seacrest and other celbrities as themselves in a realistic environment.
Would this be any worse or flawed if it were a charicature of the setting with actors playing fake celbrities and the network being called Z!, or something like that? The audience gets the point, and for all intents and purposes, it accomplishes the same thing.
Sure one's more authentic, but it isn't neccesarrilly any more valid or convincing.

I know this a comedy, but its the same basic idea.

The same goes for books.
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So wait...I only skimmed the thread, so maybe I missed something, but it looks like Noid is frothing from the mouth about how awesome this is, and other people are saying "you're jumping to conclusions," and he's jumping all over them.

Sounds strangely familiar.
Yeah, also Clox is trying to sound like he is awesome for enjoying indy movies, me and Anybody Thrilla are finding ourselves in agreement, while Jeritron is arguing reasonably that we should give this movie a try before we bury it.
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I think the accuracy of the depiction, or even just the value of it, doesn't depend on it's authenticity.
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Yeah, also Clox is trying to sound like he is awesome for enjoying indy movies, me and Anybody Thrilla are finding ourselves in agreement, while Jeritron is arguing reasonably that we should give this movie a try before we bury it.
But Clox loves everything, undercutting him. Granted, it hasn't set Destor back to say he loves all wrestling, but I love Clox's mentality that it means something when a guy who loves everything says something's good.

Anyway, I'll probably watch it, but I have realistic expectations.
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Theres a big difference between the type of movie you're suggesting, compared to the type of movie this is. They're different types of movies, rather than one of them being poorly executed.

For example:
Jerry McGuire. It uses fake athletes to tell a fictional story set in a realistic sports world
Bull Durham. Same

Almost Famous. Same, only with music.

Movies set in the filmmaking industry, like Tropic Thunder, Be Cool, Adaptation.


There are countless other examples of movies like this, that are in the setting and world, but use purely fictional characters, stories and other details to serve as a way to give an overall depiction. They're all based in truth.

Then you have movies that may use a fictional character or story, but use real names or events from it's setting:
At the moment I can't really think of any, but I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.

Curb Your Enthusiasm is sort of an example.

Like in Knocked Up. They have the fictional character played by Katherine Heigl work at E!, and you see Ryan Seacrest and other celbrities as themselves in a realistic environment.
Would this be any worse or flawed if it were a charicature of the setting with actors playing fake celbrities and the network being called Z!, or something like that? The audience gets the point, and for all intents and purposes, it accomplishes the same thing.
Sure one's more authentic, but it isn't neccesarrilly any more valid or convincing.

I know this a comedy, but its the same basic idea.

The same goes for books.
You're not wrong, but I think that the wrestling industry is a totally different beast to accurately capture in a realistic light. If they even try to treat wrestling as a 'real' thing, it'll be terrible. I haven't seen any indication that this is not the case.
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I'm going to wait to see the movie before I bitch any more about them not potraying wrestling accrurately enough. But from the synopsis, it doesn't sound like they are, I could be mistaken.
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Old 09-17-2008, 06:02 PM   #105
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You're not wrong, but I think that the wrestling industry is a totally different beast to accurately capture in a realistic light. If they even try to treat wrestling as a 'real' thing, it'll be terrible. I haven't seen any indication that this is not the case.


Well that's not the case. I read Roger Ebert's review.
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Old 09-17-2008, 06:57 PM   #108
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I saw it at TIFF, it was really good, best movie i've seen all year in fact. It's an accurate depiction of independant wrestling. In fact the opening scenes show wrestlers planning their matches, using the jargon (heat, face, spot etc). That being said it's more of a character study than a commentary of the wrestling industry and they made an excellent choice going with Rourke... especially seeing as he's been long consdered washed up. He's nostalgic, childish, irresponsible yet sympathetic and charming. The subdued documentary style is appropriate for the film, however the realism is balanced by an excellent script that makes the whole experience both galvanizing, sad, and at times very funny.
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Here's the Roger Ebert review:

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/.../FILMFESTIVALS

I thought it was more confirming than that scripted bit, but I must have gotten it confused with these which I read on the same day:

http://www.cinematical.com/2008/09/0...-the-wrestler/

That one makes reference to the promoter booking the match, as well as a scene that highlights the wrestlers calling out the moves to eachother.


Perhaps the most interesting thing will be the story of the impact on the family, the inability to let go of the show and the character in real life, and the daily activities of going to the gym and tanning booth and all that stuff.
Looking more at these reviews, it seems more authentic than I thought it would be.

Also, every one of them is positive.
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Yea I'm trying to read through these and find the stuff I read previously without spoiling myself too much

Fuck you ABT. I jsut read a lot I didn't want to
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Old 09-17-2008, 07:24 PM   #112
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Also the character of Randy has a sort of social relevence which I found pretty interesting.
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I haven't heard of one person seeing it, wrestling fan or not, not thinking it was excellent. One of those reviewers I read was talking about the King of Kings, and Jake the Snake and 80s Hulk Hogan Iron Sheik nostalgia and such.

I'll give my rating when I see it, but I can't wait. Sounds like an accurate character study of the people in wrestling with problems after the big time (Jake the Snake and everyone else in Beyond the Mat) and the industry itself seems like an authentic backdrop.
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But it's going to make Ready To Rumble look like Casablance because the two sentence plot synopsis doesn't indicate that it treats wrestling as fake.
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How good is The Blue Meanie in it?
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Or Ernest Miller even.
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That pic of Ernest Miller looks exactly like the Iron Sheik.
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I didn't even notice the Blue Meanie, but hasn't he lost like 600 pounds? Ernest is solid, although he has a rather small part... he plays a wrestler with an Iron Sheik like character actually. Minor spoiler I guess... he's kinda the guy that Rourke feuded with when they were in their prime and this feud launched their careers. Anywho, now he's a used car salesman but they are supposed to wrestle eachother again as like a 20th anniversary match.
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Ernest being that guy was sorta spoiled earlier in this very thread, to be fair.
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