Bret Who?? - Page 3

**Testicle** · 07-26-2009, 12:03 AM

First, both Flair and Bret were both tremendous wrestlers.

Second, Flair and Bret need to stop taking shots at each other in the media.

They were different wrestlers from different eras that did not mesh very well, Ric went out nearly every night for the NWA and wrestled 60 minute matches, all of which were called in the ring. Bret wrestled more diverse oppenents, having differnet matches that were more scripted. There are arguments for both sides.

**Emperor Smeat** · 07-26-2009, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Test4champ

First, both Flair and Bret were both tremendous wrestlers.

Second, Flair and Bret need to stop taking shots at each other in the media.

They were different wrestlers from different eras that did not mesh very well, Ric went out nearly every night for the NWA and wrestled 60 minute matches, all of which were called in the ring. Bret wrestled more diverse oppenents, having differnet matches that were more scripted. There are arguments for both sides.

Best post in this entire thread (so far). Both were great wrestlers and both contributed a lot to where ever they wrestled. Bret Hart made wrestling huge during the Canada vs USA storyline where both countries literally were angry at each other because of wrestling on Mondays. While Ric Flair basically on every show provided entertainment and great wrestling no matter where he wrestled or which federation he worked for.

**Darc** · 07-27-2009, 12:25 AM

I like them both too, its a shame that their pride and egos won't allow them to get past this stupid war of words. I think Bret was a better wrestler, but Flair has had a more impressive career and is a better worker in certain aspects. Bret Hart is one of the best storytellers we've ever seen. Some might call his style boring, but that is because he used a more realistic style and was not afraid to apply a subtle element to further the story in the match. He's certainly had some amazing matches with some of the best of his era. Who knows how much more he would have had for us if not for Goldberg's career ending kick?

As I mentioned, Ric Flair has had a more impressive career. He's also had some classic matches with the best of his era and some good ones with stars one or two generations after. I can't buy into the statement that Ric Flair was never a draw. Why would he have been champ so many times if he was never a draw? Why would Vince have brought him into the WWF if he was never a draw? Why is the robe that he wore to Wrestlemania XXIV in the Smithsonian Institute if he was never a draw? Why are marks dropping upwards of $150 dollars for his autograph if he was never a draw? Ric Flair is an institution. He may have never had the instant mainstream appeal of Hulk Hogan, but his main focus was the wrestling business rather than the entertainment business and his staying power eventually established him as a flagship of the business, despite lacking the McMahon media juggernaut. While Bret was a better overall worker, Flair has the edge in the aspect making his opponents look good and being able to have a good match with anyone. Bret could have a good match with most people, but not everyone, he did know how to make his opponents look good when he could though. Flair, unlike Bret, has made a lot of careers by trying to help the young guys succeed. Steamboat, Sting, Barry Whindam and Bret Hart to name a few. Both men used a certain style where certain moves were expected, once you've seen enough of their work, so anyone who lacked respect for their genuine abilities would call them boring. Flair worked the way he did because he was wrestling in front of a crowd for an hour 6 days a week and this was before internet and cable, so no one going to notice if they thought Flair did to many chops in a match. Bret Hart had to be able to produce a decent match in 10-15 minutes and used the moves the crowd knew him for, as do all WWE employees. Today's spoiled internet smarks might not like either one of these guys if they came out today.

Ric Flair is one of the my favorite wrestlers of all time and Bret Hart is one that I consider to be great in his own right. Its a shame that Bret will come right back to fire shots at Flair and they'll go back and forth on radio shows for a couple weeks and then people will stop paying attention. Both men are better than that and should learn to respect each other and their accomplishments.

**road doggy dogg** · 07-26-2009, 12:31 AM

I don't know where this "Bret Hart isn't a draw" hullabaloo is coming from. Bret Hart is prolly still one of the few wrestlers known to the mainstream (along with The Rock, Undertaker, Hogan, Andre the Giant, Austin, etc), hell he was even in a Simpsons episode. Don't think Flair really has that kind of outside appeal. Whatever, Flair has saggy tits and Bret Hart is massive.
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GD · 07-26-2009, 01:44 AM

Really sad how things are going.

**KYR** · 07-27-2009, 12:52 AM

I'm so proud of you guys right now.

Page 3 of a Bret Hart thread and no mention of 'Montre...'

Ooops. Nearly did it.

**The MAC** · 07-27-2009, 07:33 AM

What has ric flair done in the last 2 decades to make anyone care?

(no, really,,show me matches -link me cus I wanna see what you see in Saggy tits

**XCaliber** · 07-27-2009, 12:16 PM

It's ironic that the guy who's won the most titles (which by the way means jack imho especially nowadays) doesn't even know what it takes to be a truly great wrestler. He has a smaller arsenal of moves than Cena does for crying out loud when ya think about that's pretty sad. He probly believes deep down inside that he's carried any guy that he has ever associated with. I'd be glad if Trips broke the record but I'm afraid that won't happen but there's always a chance Edge will. Don't get me wrong if think Flair was good but nowhere near the level that he accomplished.

**Rob** · 07-27-2009, 03:00 PM

He was given titles. He never won shit. It's a work remember. Arsenal of moves don't mean shit either. I've seen Samoa Joe use more moves than Bret Hart did in 10 years and he isn't close to being as good as Bret on Bret's worst day.

**youngkidd** · 07-30-2009, 02:36 AM

it's sad that this is even an argument...flair took an absolutely ridiculous shot at bret and i wish they would stop going back and forth. i love both of these guys as wrestlers they've had some of my favorite matches with some great guys(henning,steamboat,savage michaels etc) but flair was wrong..he allows his dislike for bret to make him say crap like he was a nobody...bret was big but in a different way in a different time....flair ruled in a time when a guy could hold a belt for 2 years no problem...bret came in a time when people wanted to see new faces. and bret being "pushed down" was just him being a victim to vince really trying hard to push up as many new faces as possible(i.e the new generation) and the wwf/wwe hasnt been a one man show ever since hogan...the times have changed. in regards to bret not being one of the greats cause he didnt draw is ridiculous....guess who else didnt draw? kinda sounds like shawn? shawn was the leader during the year wwf got completely destroyed in money by WCW(not a shawn basher im a huge fan just facts) but that doesnt mean he isnt one of the greats...forget the fact that hes still wrestling. oh and someone said hogan was flairs only equal..WRONG....flair was nowhere NEAR hogans drawing power. you count how many times flair was on daytime tv compared to hogan..don't worry i'll wait..

07-26-2009, 12:03 AM	#1
Testicle One and only Posts: 2,368	First, both Flair and Bret were both tremendous wrestlers. Second, Flair and Bret need to stop taking shots at each other in the media. They were different wrestlers from different eras that did not mesh very well, Ric went out nearly every night for the NWA and wrestled 60 minute matches, all of which were called in the ring. Bret wrestled more diverse oppenents, having differnet matches that were more scripted. There are arguments for both sides.

07-27-2009, 12:25 AM	#3
Darc Junior Member Posts: 41	I like them both too, its a shame that their pride and egos won't allow them to get past this stupid war of words. I think Bret was a better wrestler, but Flair has had a more impressive career and is a better worker in certain aspects. Bret Hart is one of the best storytellers we've ever seen. Some might call his style boring, but that is because he used a more realistic style and was not afraid to apply a subtle element to further the story in the match. He's certainly had some amazing matches with some of the best of his era. Who knows how much more he would have had for us if not for Goldberg's career ending kick? As I mentioned, Ric Flair has had a more impressive career. He's also had some classic matches with the best of his era and some good ones with stars one or two generations after. I can't buy into the statement that Ric Flair was never a draw. Why would he have been champ so many times if he was never a draw? Why would Vince have brought him into the WWF if he was never a draw? Why is the robe that he wore to Wrestlemania XXIV in the Smithsonian Institute if he was never a draw? Why are marks dropping upwards of $150 dollars for his autograph if he was never a draw? Ric Flair is an institution. He may have never had the instant mainstream appeal of Hulk Hogan, but his main focus was the wrestling business rather than the entertainment business and his staying power eventually established him as a flagship of the business, despite lacking the McMahon media juggernaut. While Bret was a better overall worker, Flair has the edge in the aspect making his opponents look good and being able to have a good match with anyone. Bret could have a good match with most people, but not everyone, he did know how to make his opponents look good when he could though. Flair, unlike Bret, has made a lot of careers by trying to help the young guys succeed. Steamboat, Sting, Barry Whindam and Bret Hart to name a few. Both men used a certain style where certain moves were expected, once you've seen enough of their work, so anyone who lacked respect for their genuine abilities would call them boring. Flair worked the way he did because he was wrestling in front of a crowd for an hour 6 days a week and this was before internet and cable, so no one going to notice if they thought Flair did to many chops in a match. Bret Hart had to be able to produce a decent match in 10-15 minutes and used the moves the crowd knew him for, as do all WWE employees. Today's spoiled internet smarks might not like either one of these guys if they came out today. Ric Flair is one of the my favorite wrestlers of all time and Bret Hart is one that I consider to be great in his own right. Its a shame that Bret will come right back to fire shots at Flair and they'll go back and forth on radio shows for a couple weeks and then people will stop paying attention. Both men are better than that and should learn to respect each other and their accomplishments.

07-26-2009, 12:31 AM	#4
road doggy dogg wekasauce Posts: 106,951	I don't know where this "Bret Hart isn't a draw" hullabaloo is coming from. Bret Hart is prolly still one of the few wrestlers known to the mainstream (along with The Rock, Undertaker, Hogan, Andre the Giant, Austin, etc), hell he was even in a Simpsons episode. Don't think Flair really has that kind of outside appeal. Whatever, Flair has saggy tits and Bret Hart is massive. crossrine

07-26-2009, 01:44 AM	#5
GD Posts: 58,604	Really sad how things are going.

07-27-2009, 12:52 AM	#6
KYR Bringin' Back The Sexy Posts: 8,470	I'm so proud of you guys right now. Page 3 of a Bret Hart thread and no mention of 'Montre...' Ooops. Nearly did it.

07-27-2009, 07:33 AM	#7
The MAC VG + Q&A FORUM REPRESENT Posts: 2,957	What has ric flair done in the last 2 decades to make anyone care? (no, really,,show me matches -link me cus I wanna see what you see in Saggy tits

07-27-2009, 12:16 PM	#8
XCaliber Posts: 3,743	It's ironic that the guy who's won the most titles (which by the way means jack imho especially nowadays) doesn't even know what it takes to be a truly great wrestler. He has a smaller arsenal of moves than Cena does for crying out loud when ya think about that's pretty sad. He probly believes deep down inside that he's carried any guy that he has ever associated with. I'd be glad if Trips broke the record but I'm afraid that won't happen but there's always a chance Edge will. Don't get me wrong if think Flair was good but nowhere near the level that he accomplished.

07-27-2009, 03:00 PM	#9
Rob Part time poster Posts: 22,963	He was given titles. He never won shit. It's a work remember. Arsenal of moves don't mean shit either. I've seen Samoa Joe use more moves than Bret Hart did in 10 years and he isn't close to being as good as Bret on Bret's worst day.

07-30-2009, 02:36 AM	#10
youngkidd Posts: 5	it's sad that this is even an argument...flair took an absolutely ridiculous shot at bret and i wish they would stop going back and forth. i love both of these guys as wrestlers they've had some of my favorite matches with some great guys(henning,steamboat,savage michaels etc) but flair was wrong..he allows his dislike for bret to make him say crap like he was a nobody...bret was big but in a different way in a different time....flair ruled in a time when a guy could hold a belt for 2 years no problem...bret came in a time when people wanted to see new faces. and bret being "pushed down" was just him being a victim to vince really trying hard to push up as many new faces as possible(i.e the new generation) and the wwf/wwe hasnt been a one man show ever since hogan...the times have changed. in regards to bret not being one of the greats cause he didnt draw is ridiculous....guess who else didnt draw? kinda sounds like shawn? shawn was the leader during the year wwf got completely destroyed in money by WCW(not a shawn basher im a huge fan just facts) but that doesnt mean he isnt one of the greats...forget the fact that hes still wrestling. oh and someone said hogan was flairs only equal..WRONG....flair was nowhere NEAR hogans drawing power. you count how many times flair was on daytime tv compared to hogan..don't worry i'll wait..