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Old 07-08-2012, 04:41 AM   #121
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Silva missed nearly everything in that finish, if that was a legit stoppage then the first fight should of been stopped like 20 times when Sonnen was landing 10 hit combos flush.
Watching the replay, when you combine the fact that Sonnen was rocked already from the (legal) knee, got up again, and was knocked to the ground again, in totality, it wasn't going to take much for there to be a stoppage afterward. IMO, I didn't think Sonnen was going much to intelligently defend himself, and a lot of those latter hits were connecting pretty well. Still, even if the stoppage may have been slightly early, looking at Sonnen during that (last) encounter did not give me any reason to believe that 5-10 extra seconds would have changed anything.
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Old 07-08-2012, 04:50 AM   #122
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The knee was clean, but Silva holding Sonnen's shorts as he tried to back away so Silva could punch him was a bit shady.
There's no denying that the short's grab was illegal in the pure sense...but I didn't feel like it affected much. If there's a pause in action, he's getting a warning about it any maybe a point deduction. It didn't affect much of the actual action occurring in the Octagon. In fact, as soon as it was detected by the official, Silva had let go, and Sonnen was able to connect with a stiff left to the head of Silva.

Then again, I felt the same way when people wanted to complain about Jose Aldo v. Chad Mendez and Aldo's one ring grab.
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Sonnnen can stfu now.
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How can anybody like Anderson Silva? The guy who is talking about the great sport of MMA and the UFC and all that bullshit is the same mother fucker who made a mockery of the sport and his opponents a couple of years ago?
He had one bad fight against Maia and that was more of a personal thing between him and Damian. In 15 fights, he's finished 13 of them. You can't hold one strange night over his head.
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Think Chael's pretty much done with Silva now. If the fight would have gone to a decision or ended questionably, I'd probably say we'd see Sonnen/Silva III, but Sonnen's been legitimately beaten both times now. He physically tapped then got TKO'ed. He can't bounce back from that.

Silva's got three fights left in my opinion. Two of those will be from the Bisping/Munoz/Lombard/Rashad Evans (if he moves down) group. The final one would have to be a super fight against GSP or Jones.
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I really have no interest in Silva against anyone left at middleweight.
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Saw the ppv. First ufc ppv I've ever seen. I was upset at the lack of chair shots, and the fact that no one jumped into the cage. Also, a tables match would be cool. #WWEonUFC
But seriously, that last knee that silva threw looked pretty brutal. A few people I've talked to said it was a cheap shot.
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While this time around Silva was def handling Sonnen a hell of a lot better, I do feel the stoppage was a bit early. This fight needed to go on.

I still think they will fight one more time.
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Saw the ppv. First ufc ppv I've ever seen. I was upset at the lack of chair shots, and the fact that no one jumped into the cage. Also, a tables match would be cool. #WWEonUFC
But seriously, that last knee that silva threw looked pretty brutal. A few people I've talked to said it was a cheap shot.
Knees to head on the ground are illegal. That knee was not to the head. Whatever's legal in a fight isn't cheap.
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Feel like we're about to hit a dead point now. I don't really care about the Faber fight, although I'm sure it will be a decent scrap and Aldo vs. Koch seems like it will be another squash match for Aldo. Tbh, I don't care about the 145, 135 or 125ers at all.

Won't get good again till August when Henderson fights Edgar on the 11th and Rousey fights Kaufman on the 18th.
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I'm also interested in Bones/Hendo. Bones will win but Hendo is a tough one.
But yea no real big eye openers. Chael is a warrior still even in a loss. Hope he continues going
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While this time around Silva was def handling Sonnen a hell of a lot better, I do feel the stoppage was a bit early. This fight needed to go on.
Even Chael said he got destroyed. Apparently you've never been kneed in the chest, Rashad did it to Tito a few months ago and Tito basically tapped soon afterwards. The stoppage was not early, Chael was just covering and not doing anything which is basically tapping in the sport while saving dignity. I don't even know why I'm replying, it gets frustrating reading or hearing some of the things people say that need to put some more thought into it. All these illegal knee and early stoppage people sound like the morons that came in when Ken vs Tito was 'stopped too early'. I'm all for MMA reaching a wider audience, but I wish I could skip ahead 20 years when more people understand what the fuck is going on.

And to say that you dont want to see Anderson fight any more middleweights, you have no idea what would happen if it he fought some of the others. I am interested in seeing Alan Belcher vs Anderson, I'd like to see Rich get another chance if he can beat 2 more top competitions in the division before his career is over, and obviously Hector Lombard.
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Old 07-09-2012, 06:12 AM   #135
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I really don't think any of the remaining middleweights have anything for Anderson, but that doesn't mean they have zero chance of winning.

They aren't very compelling matchups, especially after all the hype surrounding this last fight.
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Old 07-09-2012, 06:20 AM   #136
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Seems like the most logical fight would be Silva vs the loser of Hendo/Jones
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Old 07-09-2012, 06:23 AM   #137
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Even Chael said he got destroyed. Apparently you've never been kneed in the chest, Rashad did it to Tito a few months ago and Tito basically tapped soon afterwards. The stoppage was not early, Chael was just covering and not doing anything which is basically tapping in the sport while saving dignity. I don't even know why I'm replying, it gets frustrating reading or hearing some of the things people say that need to put some more thought into it. All these illegal knee and early stoppage people sound like the morons that came in when Ken vs Tito was 'stopped too early'. I'm all for MMA reaching a wider audience, but I wish I could skip ahead 20 years when more people understand what the fuck is going on.

And to say that you dont want to see Anderson fight any more middleweights, you have no idea what would happen if it he fought some of the others. I am interested in seeing Alan Belcher vs Anderson, I'd like to see Rich get another chance if he can beat 2 more top competitions in the division before his career is over, and obviously Hector Lombard.
I don't need a third Rich Franklin fight to affirm what I already know, which is, that he don't belong on the ring with Anderson Silva.
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Old 07-09-2012, 06:28 AM   #138
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I don't think Rich's nose needs that fight.
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Old 07-09-2012, 06:59 AM   #139
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Its cruel and unusual punishment to force Silva's knee to repeatedly hit Franklins face.
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Old 07-09-2012, 07:13 AM   #140
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Yeah, Andy may need reconstructive surgery on his knee if he fights Rich again . And Ace could do without another rhynoplasty (s/p).
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Franklin still has bloody boogers fall out from time to time, from those two fights.
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the only reason i'd like to see rich get another chance is because it would be a great build up to see him defeat top competition. I always like the underdog, and I agree he would wouldn't defeat Anderson but it would be a great send off.
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Anderson Silva should take the "Ryback" Gimmick and fight 2 jobbers at once.
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I TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT HECTOR LOMBARD. Throw his ass in there with some nobody and let him try his luck with anderson.
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Old 07-09-2012, 12:41 PM   #145
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he's fighting Tim Boetsch in a few weeks, replaced Bisping
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Would also like to see Belcher/Anderson.
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Franklin still has bloody boogers fall out from time to time, from those two fights.
Every time Anderson thinks of him Rich Franklin gets a nose bleed.
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Old 07-10-2012, 03:01 AM   #148
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I don't think Rich even wants to see himself get another shot at Silva.
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I don't think Rich even wants to see himself get another shot at Silva.
Go watch at about 1 minute 25 seconds in.
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Old 07-10-2012, 07:04 PM   #150
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During the post show Dana went off about Forrest's antics..

Silva should vacant the 185 title and let them do a 4 man tourney starting with Munoz/Wieman and then say Belcher/Bisping.. Then let the next shot go to Brian Stann if he can beat Lombard or whoever they line him up against when he comes back from shoulder surgery..

I just really hope we get to see Silva vs Jones at 205 before Jones moves to HW..

p.s. I also heard that GSP will be fighting at 185, vacating the 170 title) when he returns (Mike Straka reported this) so the Silva/GSPsuper fight still has merit..
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GSP said he'd have to take 1-2 years off to put on muscle mass to fight at middleweight. He has no plans of doing so, there is a ton of competition right now in WW for him as well as a shit load of money to be made. Condit, Hendrix, Rory if he beats BJ, and Diaz fight is going to make a shitload when he comes back in 8 months.

Superfights are not likely to happen again for a while. Andersons sponsored by some BIG companies now, Soraes wouldn't risk that to appease a few fans unless it was Andersons last fight.

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It wouldn't be crazy for a superfight to be a catch weight at 178, Anderson has fought at near 170 before.
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Soraes wouldn't risk that to appease a few fans unless it was Andersons last fight.
A few fans? or a few million? Im sure Dana if he really wanted to could make it a hefty payday for Silva in a superfight at the right time. The hell what Soares thinks
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Go watch at about 1 minute 25 seconds in.
He said he wants a shot at the title. Not Silva. He probably believes by the time he gets back to the top, Silva will either have lost, retired or moved to another weight class.
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I don't think a Superfight is going to happen anytime soon. GSP has got some fresh and intriguing competition at Welterweight against the likes of Condit, Hendricks and Diaz. He did a $12 million gate against Shields in Toronto. The record for combat sports is 18 million by De La Hoya and Mayweather. Sorry, but an MMA fight between Silva and GSP won't top that in gate or PPV buys. Dana can make more money off GSP fighting those three guys in Toronto than he would off of GSP vacating the title and losing at 185 and returning to 170 a defeated man.

Same deal with Silva. He might not be the best drawing champion, but he's more appealing than any of the potential champions at Middleweight. Plus, Brazil is a huge, emerging market for them. Dana doesn't want to send Silva up to 205 to either lose or knock off Jon Jones who's good for 800,000 PPV buys as champion himself.
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I just really hope we get to see Silva vs Jones at 205 before Jones moves to HW..
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p.s. I also heard that GSP will be fighting at 185, vacating the 170 title)
Not gonna happen
All of those ideas would be terrible.
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He said he wants a shot at the title. Not Silva. He probably believes by the time he gets back to the top, Silva will either have lost, retired or moved to another weight class.
Not in this particular interview, but it was the one I knew would be easiest to find. He wants to fight Silva or whoever the champion is and he feels if he strings 2 more wins together against top competition that he should get the shot. I think he will, too.


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A few fans? or a few million? Im sure Dana if he really wanted to could make it a hefty payday for Silva in a superfight at the right time. The hell what Soares thinks
Soares makes the decisions for Anderson, they'll turn it down. Dana is only a promoter, he can not force them to take fights. And it is a few fans, its not millions. Most of the friends I have when we talk about MMA have no care or concern to see someone thats clearly smaller go up against a larger opponent. Jon Jones is huge and lanky, its not 10 years ago in pride where you could beat larger fighters based on skill. Now that you have top tier competition in weight classes, people moving around is less and less likely. Its not like boxing where there is a weight class every 3 pounds. Jon Jones would just have to much genetics on his side.

Also Silva has stated in many interviews he has no interest in fighting Jones.

I do believe though, that if the payday is big enough we'll see it, but it would have to be 10 million +
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So your friends account for the entire fanbase, k cool. You remember Silva moving up to fight at 205 right? I'm not saying it's going to happen but if the circumstances and everything lined up perfectly ,i'm saying it would.

And yea Silva and Bones have both said they wouldn't fight each other. That's probably the biggest hurdle than anything else if it we were at that point.
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Jon Jones vs Anderson Silva is the perfect fight. Silva was big and fast against Griffin. That matchup has to happen. It makes so much sense.
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He has been out 15 monthes as of right now and still has 2-3 monthes left before hew returns..

Also, he walks around closer to 200lbs naturally..
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