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- 'Evil' Rock Music: I suspect it's phrased as "evil rock music" instead of "demonic" or some more appropriate term to trivialize the phrase and thereby trivializing the argument and make it sound like more of a judgmental puritanical term. Why would he choose "demonic," either? That's absurd, and makes the author sound as slanted as they claim Moore is. - Bad Parenting: Interesting that Moore thinks this is a stupid thing to blame a shooting on seeing as he uses it later in the movie. When manipulating the Kayla Rolland shooting, Moore blames the occurrence on lack of parenting which he in turn blames on Dick Clark. Actually, he blames Welfare to Work. He tries to interview Dick as to why he's going along with the program. Nowhere, do you take this person seriously? Already, just in the title section, I've found two problems. Nonsense to blame Manson, but plausible to blame the news and the military? Moore doesn't explain this odd sense logic. He doesn't back up his claim that bowling and illicit glorified violence are on the same level of motivating violent acts at any point in the film. He simply says they are, says it plainly and in an obvious manner and seeks to make you feel foolish if you challenge it. Don't be fooled. but it makes perfect sense to blameManson, even though the Columbine kids had a sum total of one Manson record, and they couldn't tie it to other acts. Meanwhile, where's the acute tie between Manson and violence? I'm sure you've got a ton of studies that confirm this... Moore's parallel of bowling with the kids other interests is inherently dishonest, seeing as there is no evidence to suggest the kids were bowling fanatics, but tons that prove their interest in the other culprits -- so therefore it is NOT by any means 'just as logical to blame bowling' for the murders. but there was proof they were Manson fanatics? Oh wait, there wasn't. Thanks for slanting your own shit, retard. Since Moore seriously poses bowling as an equally plausible contributor to murder than anything else suggested, let us explore exactly what effect the 2 boys ideology had on them. An article in the web publication Salon.com (1), by Dave Cullen titled Kill Mankind. No One Should Survive, reports on, among other things, the writings of Eric Harris in his diary. He says: "Kill mankind. No one should survive." Evidence, including information found in the article also indicates that Harris was a good Darwinist, an evolutionist. One source is reported as saying that when the murders began, "Harris tore off his trench coat to expose a white T-shirt reading "Natural Selection.'" One investigator who has seen Harris' writings says: "[He] talks a lot about natural selection and that kind of leads into his admiration of Hitler and Nazism and their 'final solution' -- that we, the human race have interrupted or disrupted natural selection by inventing vaccines and stuff like that." Wow. Wouldn't this actually PROVE the point that they weren't motivated by Manson, the very essence of the movie's rants on media scare tactics? Unless, you're prepared to tie Manson to Nazis and the Final Solution. The lead investigator on the Columbine murders, Kate Battan, also mentions the Harris/Klebold desire for fame. She says, paraphrased, that she thinks this was "the single biggest reason" the mass murders were committed. It is said that other key investigators agreed with this assessment. Battan says the writings of Harris and Klebold were littered with comments about their expected glory: See? The main cause. Not manson, not video games. Funny that. Ironically, the next section is entitled "whakco Attacko Alert." Pot, Kettle, Kettle, pot. Nowhere, don't be a moron. Don't let someone else think for you, even if they say the things you want to hear. I didn't even need to defend Moore, just attack this fuckwit's bullshit logic. |
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06-27-2004, 03:33 PM
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"9/11" was an amazing film. It was incredibly hard to watch (particularly the little boy screaming as he gets his head stitched shut), but I'm glad I did.
People made such a fuss over "The Passion" when it came out, but this is the most important film to come out this year. Whereas "The Passion" was a millenia-old story retold as a snuff film, "Fahrenheit" is bringing a message to the masses that has been drowned out in a sea of red-white-and-blue chest-thumping jingoism. While it's true that Moore doesn't bring out much in the way of new information (at least for those ambitious enough to search for it), what he presents on the screen is vital, and anyone who sees this and still thinks they're doing the right thing by voting for Bush again is seriously deluded. |
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06-27-2004, 03:42 PM
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I may have already said this, but I don't want to see this film. I'm probably going to vote for Nader or Kerry anyway, and I don't need a film to back up my beliefs.
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06-27-2004, 03:46 PM
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Then, in four years, we can try Nader again. 
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06-27-2004, 05:54 PM
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Actually, the voting process is simple. Find out if Kerry has any chance of winning your state, or if he is going to win it by a landslide. If your state is a tossup, vote Kerry, if you live in Texas or something, vote Nader. Simple eh?
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06-27-2004, 06:11 PM
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I'm voting Bush because Dennis Miller is voting Bush and he's good people...
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06-27-2004, 06:18 PM
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You are an idiot.
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06-27-2004, 06:21 PM
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I don't do politics therefore I am easily swayed.
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06-27-2004, 06:23 PM
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I just saw F. 9-11 last night. I see how it can be polarized in reaction, but when it comes down to it, it was good film making. I would rate it higher than Bowling, and that says something. I was discussing it with a friend today, and I think it may be too hot to win him the Oscar this year, but I see how it could take home the Palm D'ore.
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06-27-2004, 07:54 PM
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06-27-2004, 07:57 PM
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Of course, Cheney has the excuse of being legally dead for most of the past two years, so... |
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06-27-2004, 10:57 PM
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Not playing in PG as I suspected. Fucking bullshit.
Here are my "choices". Your search result on Sunday Jun 27, 2004 produced the following 6 results: Famous Players 6 Prince George Around The World In 80 Days 120 mins Sun: 1:10 pm 3:50 pm 7:20 pm 10:05 pm Violence Harry Potter And The Prisoner Of Azkaban (No Passes) 142 mins Sun: 12:00 pm 3:00 pm 7:00 pm 10:00 pm Frightening scenes Shrek 2 90 mins Sun: 12:05 pm 2:15 pm 4:20 pm 7:05 pm 9:30 pm The Chronicles Of Riddick 119 mins Sun: 12:40 pm 3:25 pm 7:25 pm 10:05 pm Frequent violence, coarse language The Day After Tomorrow 124 mins Sun: 12:45 pm 3:20 pm 7:10 pm 9:40 pm Frightening scenes, coarse language The Terminal 121 mins Sun: 12:15 pm 2:50 pm 7:20 pm 9:50 pm Coarse language |
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06-27-2004, 10:59 PM
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Download it. http://www.packetnews.com/search.php?kw=fahrenheit
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06-27-2004, 11:16 PM
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"They have a saying in Tennessee, well actually, in Texas too but... it goes something like 'Fool me once, shame on... um.. shame... on... um... you. umm... what I'm trying to say is that you can't fool us more than once
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06-27-2004, 11:52 PM
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06-27-2004, 11:54 PM
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You need to download mIRC to use those links though. ( www.mirc.com )
Just click them, then it will open the program on its own and it will automatically copy the code you need to enter onto your clipboard. So, all you have to do is press Ctrl+V when the window opens, and it will start to download. If it gives you any "set your client to receive transfers" message, go to the Options, then the "DCC" menu, then the "Ignore" menu, and set "Method:" to disabled. |
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06-28-2004, 12:04 AM
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Or go to http://www.novatorrent.com and download the program.
Then go to www.suprnova.org and search for "fahrenheit". |
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06-28-2004, 12:40 AM
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Ron Paul 4 EVA
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LMAO
Here's some more from that site NM linked us to.
Many of his fans point-out that Moore is NOT anti-gun, and point to his membership in the NRA (as well as the very guns he owns) as proof. However, at the same time, he is the poster-boy for gun-control. If you can't see the hypocrisy in this, then you're a moron; he's preaching veganism while eating a steak. In Bowling, Michael Moore brags that he is a "lifetime member" of the NRA. So it might be expected that Moore would inform viewers about the NRA's noble anti-slavery history, but not quite. In his brief history of America cartoon he attempts the opposite and does an admirable job of welding racism to the NRA wherever possible as detailed in other places of this site. The main issue here is Moore's phony respect for the organization. Instead of coming out against it and opposing what he feels are dangerous and detrimental actions, he feigns neutrality in Bowling For Columbine when it is clear he despises the organization. Just look at what Moore says about the NRA himself : "After Columbine, I decided that I would run against Charlton Heston for the presidency of the NRA. If elected, my plan was to try to return the NRA to a gun safety organization, instead of its current agenda of gun fanaticism. The rules said that to run for president, you had to be a member for the past five years or buy a lifetime membership for $750. And that's what I did. But after a while I realized this endeavor was going to take too much time, so I decided to focus all my attention on the movie I was making."Well, first off, Moore didn't make that COMEDY piece. It was the South Park guys. Second, I'm yet to see any tangible evidence of the NRA being strongly anti-slavery, except by their own claims in response to things like this. Third, it's ironic that this genius would chastise Moore for not understand the NRA and then think that being for gun control and being for gun rights are mutually exclusive. Though it mystifies me that Moore can be against Dean on Gun control (while claiming not to be anti-gun), that doesn't even come up in Columbine. The Hardline gun nuts claim that every restriction on guns will immediately turn into men in black helicopters taking away their guns. The NRA was so panicked by optional ttrigger locks being included with two company's guns that they called for boycotts from their measure. Because, you know, if you exercise any degree of reasonable safety when dealing with a firearm, you're unAmerican and the terrorists have won. And obviously, the next logical conclusion is that the people who include them optionally are taking away your rights...Somehow. Trust me. I live in Vermont. Gun laws are pretty lax, and a lot of the gun owners are actually reasonable. It's pretty hard to believe on such a polar issue, I know. Being from a state with such a gun culture, I know first-hand that there are NRA members who still believe in reasonable gun rights and reasonable gun control. Following that, there's the origin of the NRA, which has fuck all to do with being a lobbyist group for mob justice and a nuke in every home. 
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06-28-2004, 01:08 AM
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I just saw it tonight. It was good except the asshole 3 rows ahead of us was smoking the whole time. Also people did a standing ovation to this movie so I yelled out "who the hell are you clapping to" which got a laugh and ended the clapping
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06-28-2004, 03:24 AM
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I'm bored, so more on that site.
There are some trivial, rather silly details in the scene that arise from simple shoddy filmmaking. The scene shows a dog with gun on it's back & a wounded hunter lying on the ground. We're supposed to think we're watching video from the accident, but several mistakes make this pretty obviously not true.
Well, what's more important is the fact that in reality, the Darwin Award winning hunters had tried to take a photo with a still camera, and did not have video (1) Well, people and animals don't always behave as are expected. As a matter of fact, i've seen real video where a guy was hurt and his friends kept filming. Surprised? It makes it to those "real TV" styled shows sometimes, even. The best part is "The Darwin Awards said otherwise, so it must be fake." Wrong. The Darwin awards have included false/incorrect information before, probably will again. The Darwin awards have mistaken facts, and there have been a few stories at least that made it up without even ever happening. |
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06-28-2004, 03:27 AM
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Moore in Michigan was a riot too.
I swear, this person's looking to make up as much offense as possible. Put words in his mouth, stretch the truth, lie, whatever it takes...Ironic, because Moore is supposed to be such a liar. Come on, Nowhere, you can't honestly believe this bullshit. |
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06-28-2004, 03:43 AM
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Once again, however, Moore does not tell the whole story. True, the state of North Dakota did issue a permit to McWilliams to carry a concealed weapon. But, he is not totally blind. He is able to distinguish day from night, light from dark.
Newsflash. THERE ARE A TON OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE BLIND AND HAVE SOME MARGINAL AMOUNT OF SIGHT. THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT HE IS, INDEED, BLIND. Being able to distinguish light from dark or a black shape from a white shape should not be sufficient to won a gun, because it's not gonna be enough to reasonably handle a gun in most situations. This realistically is a problem. Again, raised around guns. Vermont. I've handled and fired guns, so I'm far from the suburban audience this shmuck tries to generalise as the anti-gun folk. Nor do I feel superior to gun toters. Man, this site is so fun to pick apart. |
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06-28-2004, 03:47 AM
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Also, I think if a blind man wants to pull the "equal rights" card that he should operate fully on equal rights. I hope he's never collected scoial security/disability, and never used braille.
His argument could go for serial murderers, who should have the second ammendment rights and priveleges to own weapons. I mean, they're Americans. So what if they're dangerous Americans? |
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06-28-2004, 04:10 AM
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06-28-2004, 06:24 PM
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Michael Moore pisses me off. When I saw Bowling for Columbine, I felt like Moore was talking to viewers as if they didn't know shit. Though I like his message and plan on seeing Farenheit, I still don't like that guy. But don't get me wrong, I do love what he is trying to do, I just don't like his personality. And that shit at the Oscars saying "Shame on you, Mr. Bush" was totally out of place. Hey, I hate Bush too, but I don't turn on the Oscars to watch some punk ass talk about his political views. Fuck politics. Also, it always pisses me off when I see some white dude saying how most people are bad... motherfucker should take a look in the mirror.
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06-28-2004, 06:41 PM
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06-28-2004, 07:38 PM
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In terms of the Oscars, at that time the right was using every public gathering as a forum to credit Bush and "unify" the country against terrorism. If you recall at that time, there was no opposing voice nobody had the balls to speak up against Bush and co. So I give credit to Moore for using a public gathering where a lrge portion of the country would be watching TV to speak up. Freedom of Speech is just that, and I would tend to argue that a political view that will save thousands of American lives is more important than handing out gold statues to millionaires. |
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06-28-2004, 07:47 PM
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He said it twice on Leno alone. he even defended some criticism he got for his "Payback's a bitch!" comments regarding 9-11/Iraq. Of course, if you think that the people who orchestrated 9-11 were Iraqi, then you're a moron. No number of large words can fix the blatant stupidity in that statement. |
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06-28-2004, 11:02 PM
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Moore has to dumb his message down to get it across. Anyone that says he makes you feel stupid should feel proud of themselves. Proud they aren't so ignorant that they understand things clearer than the average person.
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06-28-2004, 11:15 PM
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Michael Moore knows that probably over 50% of the people who know who he is hate him, but he is making that sacrafice to get his message across. So frankly, you people hating the man for any reason at all, really doesn't matter.
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06-28-2004, 11:19 PM
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Hearing all these pussy Republicans bawl about Michael Moore when they control so much of the media is reason enough to be a Moore fan, whether or not you like or agree with what he says.
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06-29-2004, 02:34 AM
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I just got back from seeing the movie. Now I enjoy to watch much of Michael Moores work from Awful Truth, Roger & Me and even his books. To me this movie seemed like his book "Dude, Where's my country?" turned into an updated movie. If you keep yourself updated with news and read a few liberal books here and there nothing all that new is being presented here. I am a huge Michael Moore fan, don't get me wrong, but for Farenheit 9/11 I was disapointed. It wasn't really the hype, it had some play I suppose. I can see people liking this movie and I think people should go see it, if it is just to see the different side. I left the theater with an overall meh feeling towards the movie. The Big One still takes the cake for me.
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06-29-2004, 04:10 AM
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I think the Government should enlist Michael Moore to make films for them.
Then maybe we can finally eliminate the Jews. |
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06-29-2004, 11:31 PM
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I agree with PapaGeorgio about it being kind of an updated "Dude, Wheres my Country?"
I was aware of a lot of the news events they talked about already, but still a great movie. |
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07-02-2004, 08:05 PM
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Heres the only thing that changed my vote from Bush to Kerry.
The Bush Admin. hasn't just been protesting the movie. They've tried to shut it DOWN. Not let it even get out. And in doing that, the went against every act of free speech ive stood up for. they proved they werent american. Bush, your done man. Your DONE. |
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07-02-2004, 11:58 PM
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Saw it. Meh. Politics. Was good though. BFC was better.
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07-08-2004, 08:28 PM
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I was gonna go see this tonight, but my plans got jarbled up so we're gonna see it another time. Looks pritty hot though (PUN INTENDED), and I'm not usually big on all this political stuff
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07-09-2004, 04:00 AM
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Saw it July 4th. Pretty good. LOL @ the end.
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07-10-2004, 03:16 AM
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Saw it last week with a friend and we laughed at the antics of Bush. I never saw the trailer so I was glad to have missed that line cause it's gold. And the ending is funny too, now that line I have seen on a TV show once. I can't remember which talk show, but they showed that clip for humor...
I think everyone should see it. It opens your eyes about all that is going on behind the scenes and gives you a different slant that you don't see from the news channels (FOX anyone?). As for the books, I bought Stupid White Men and then I am going to purchase Dude Where's my Country later on when I finish this one... 
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I saw it on Saturday and it was a great film. LOL when Bush said "I call upon all nations to help stop these terrorist killers. Thank you. Now watch this drive."
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