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Old 11-11-2015, 03:23 PM   #1
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You don't think they should have done something to conclude the Bella angle besides just sticking them back together out of nowhere?

Big show got himself a LUCRATIVE Iron clad contract from John L. that not even Vince could terminate, no matter what big show did. Next year Steph could fire him for not knocking out Dusty Rhodes.
He seemed to care about Daniel Bryan out of nowhere, and some how lost all his money.
Big Shows wife apparantly called Stephanie and said big show wasn't performing well in bed.
I think Bri on her own is death. I think they are more effective as heels as a unit. Although I'm startng to think Nikki is better off on her own because she's improved way more than Bri. So yeah, they could have figured out a better way to bring them back together, but honestly the angle was a failure, so the less you focus on trying to tell a story to undo what was done, the better.

Yeah I vaguely remember that. I dunno, sounds like it has some holes in the story. Ideally it would be air tight. In the grand scheme of things how iron clad Show's contact was, isn't a game changer for me personally. Maybe Steph is better at finding loopholes in contacts. And I don't find it a stretch that a wrestler would be broke or have erectile dysfunction. That said, but a fan of the sex storylines.
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Old 11-11-2015, 09:52 AM   #2
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I'm gonna take us back to WrestleMania 9 when Hogan came out after the Yoko/Bret match, accepts a ridiculous looking challenge by Yoko/Fuji, looking stupidly surprised while Bret tells him to "go for it brother!" then essentially leg drops Yoko and wins the title. I stopped watchign wrestling for almost a year after that.
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Old 11-11-2015, 11:01 AM   #3
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Two moments come to mind
The Death of Owen Hart where they continued the show
The other was the Beniot memorial show. One one channel you have the wrestlers pouring their hearts out about what a great man he was etc, meanwhile on another news breaks about the murder suicide
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I hate giving CyNick too much attention. But his initial run on the forum was similar to this. It was when we all liked the WWF, and he was strictly anti, and eventually just revealed he was doing it to be a troll. He came in with a bunch of other guys and was super annoying then too. Now he's doing the same thing, on the other side of the fence. Troll is too harsh because he's not actually a jerk or anything, but it's clear he talks utter shite.

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Old 11-11-2015, 03:03 PM   #5
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I hate giving CyNick too much attention. But his initial run on the forum was similar to this. It was when we all liked the WWF, and he was strictly anti, and eventually just revealed he was doing it to be a troll. He came in with a bunch of other guys and was super annoying then too. Now he's doing the same thing, on the other side of the fence. Troll is too harsh because he's not actually a jerk or anything, but it's clear he talks utter shite.

UTTER SHITE.
I was highly regarded. And I don't recall every admitting to trolling. Most people have a sheep mentality. Ya'll get your backs up when someone brings a different slant.

I'm honestly not trying to troll anyone. I don't even know what that means. When i started posting here I was a dirt sheet follower, and I would regurgitate a lot of what I was reading or hearing about how doom and gloom was coming for WWE. It eventually killed my interest in the business. I went a good I dunno 6 years or so of not watching very much. In that time I stopped reading sheets and listening to the negative nelly podcasts. In the last couple years I decided to watch RAW more frequently, and I noticed that without the constant negativity from the IWC, I just enjoyed the product for what it is - simple entertainment. I've tried to share that experience with you fine folks, and demonstrate that you don't need to pick every last thing apart. If you sit back and let them worry about who to push, it's far more enjoyable. I dunno, I guess that means I'm a troll in this land.
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It's been pretty clear that he's been trolling since he came back because I've never seen anybody defend the current WWE product to the degree that he has.

The only reason most of us even watch now or at the very least still keep tabs on what's happening is because it's a habit and, like a sports team, you just hope against hope that someday it will be good again.
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Old 11-11-2015, 12:25 PM   #7
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It's been pretty clear that he's been trolling since he came back because I've never seen anybody defend the current WWE product to the degree that he has.

The only reason most of us even watch now or at the very least still keep tabs on what's happening is because it's a habit and, like a sports team, you just hope against hope that someday it will be good again.
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Old 11-11-2015, 03:07 PM   #8
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It's been pretty clear that he's been trolling since he came back because I've never seen anybody defend the current WWE product to the degree that he has.

The only reason most of us even watch now or at the very least still keep tabs on what's happening is because it's a habit and, like a sports team, you just hope against hope that someday it will be good again.
Maybe you should be in my livingroom and see me dance when New Day comes out. I genuinely like the product today.

I wish that we had a new Stone Cold, Rock, Triple H, Foley, Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit, E+C, and Hardys but the odds of getting that much talent in one place is slim and now. That was a golden age. Hard to replicate.
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Maybe you should be in my livingroom and see me dance when New Day comes out. I genuinely like the product today.
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Hmmm I'll take it under advisement
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Old 11-11-2015, 03:15 PM   #11
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Maybe you should be in my livingroom and see me dance when New Day comes out. I genuinely like the product today.

I wish that we had a new Stone Cold, Rock, Triple H, Foley, Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit, E+C, and Hardys but the odds of getting that much talent in one place is slim and now. That was a golden age. Hard to replicate.
New Day has been the shinning light on Raw the last couple months. I have no doubt that the talent today can get to the level of those guys, they just have to be presented better.

So many time people get a push only to have it fade out. Hell Curtis Axel could be a star right now if they never killed his push with Heyman and added Ryback to the mix.
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New Day has been the shinning light on Raw the last couple months. I have no doubt that the talent today can get to the level of those guys, they just have to be presented better.

So many time people get a push only to have it fade out. Hell Curtis Axel could be a star right now if they never killed his push with Heyman and added Ryback to the mix.
Axel is junk
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Axel is junk
Because they have done nothing with him after his IC title run. Dude had wins against HHH and Cena when they debuted the Axel gimmick. Then he got mixed in with Ryback and they give up on the both of them. Axel could be somthing though.
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lol it's not that he defends the product.... each to their own.... it's to the degree in which he does, as though it's life and death
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lol it's not that he defends the product.... each to their own.... it's to the degree in which he does, as though it's life and death
How does one determine that from words on a message board
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And yeah Vito I agree. We keep tabs and hope things pick up, and there's some real energy in the product.
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And yeah Vito I agree. We keep tabs and hope things pick up, and there's some real energy in the product.
Yep. I'd be willing to bet that nearly every poster on this board at least gives a courtesy look during Rumble/WM season to see what's going on even if they've lapsed away from the product. Even the people who don't post here anymore probably still do it. There's a reason we all signed up to a wrestling message board in the first place lol.
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I know to each their own and everything...I just don't see how anybody with any sort of appreciation towards forward thinking and long-term booking can possibly enjoy the disjointed mess that is modern WWE.

Like I won't lie, I sat through WCW in 2000 and found myself entertained. I was also 11 and didn't have a clue about logical booking. If I was that age now I'd likely have to problem with current WWE. But I'm not.
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I know to each their own and everything...I just don't see how anybody with any sort of appreciation towards forward thinking and long-term booking can possibly enjoy the disjointed mess that is modern WWE.

Like I won't lie, I sat through WCW in 2000 and found myself entertained. I was also 11 and didn't have a clue about logical booking. If I was that age now I'd likely have to problem with current WWE. But I'm not.
Seth Rollins

Rock vs Cena

Lesnar The Conquerer

Daniel Bryan and the YES movement

All examples of great angles that were well thought out and built over months or years. Those four angles were multiple times better than just about everything from The Attitude Era.
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Seth Rollins

Rock vs Cena

Lesnar The Conquerer

Daniel Bryan and the YES movement

All examples of great angles that were well thought out and built over months or years. Those four angles were multiple times better than just about everything from The Attitude Era.
Gotta love Seth Rollins starring in his role in "the champion who jobs constantly." And how about those segments every week where Triple H just appears to be a disappointed dad. That sure did put the champion of the company over.

Yeah that Rock/Cena feud was legendary. I loved watching one of the people in the feud cut promos live "via satellite" constantly. Nevermind building an entire WrestleMania on the premise of "ONCE IN A LIFETIME!" when they already knew they were going to do a rematch at WM29.

I'll grant you Lesnar to a degree, I don't think they'd have had him break the Streak if they weren't planning on putting the strap on him at SummerSlam, which they then did. Too bad they really didn't make his first one-on-one defeat after breaking the streak mean anything and he instead just gave a win back to Taker.

And there you go again pretending that Daniel Bryan main eventing WrestleMania 30 was planned for months and months dating back to SummerSlam and not at all a result of the fans completely rejecting the Batista/Orton main event they were going to be force-fed. That's cute.
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Gotta love Seth Rollins starring in his role in "the champion who jobs constantly." And how about those segments every week where Triple H just appears to be a disappointed dad. That sure did put the champion of the company over.

Yeah that Rock/Cena feud was legendary. I loved watching one of the people in the feud cut promos live "via satellite" constantly. Nevermind building an entire WrestleMania on the premise of "ONCE IN A LIFETIME!" when they already knew they were going to do a rematch at WM29.

I'll grant you Lesnar to a degree, I don't think they'd have had him break the Streak if they weren't planning on putting the strap on him at SummerSlam, which they then did. Too bad they really didn't make his first one-on-one defeat after breaking the streak mean anything and he instead just gave a win back to Taker.

And there you go again pretending that Daniel Bryan main eventing WrestleMania 30 was planned for months and months dating back to SummerSlam and not at all a result of the fans completely rejecting the Batista/Orton main event they were going to be force-fed. That's cute.
Not quite as you believing that the YES Movement was something WWE tried to stop. You know, by constantly talking about it, and focusing the camera on the entire crowd doing it to teach future crowds to do it. In fact you're being so cute right now, I want to pinch your cheeks.

Rock-Cena I believe was the biggest PPV draw in wrestling history. But okay, you didnt dig it.

Rollins may not have been booked how you liked it, but if you look at his story arc, it was clear they planned his ascension for well over a year.
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Not quite as you believing that the YES Movement was something WWE tried to stop. You know, by constantly talking about it, and focusing the camera on the entire crowd doing it to teach future crowds to do it. In fact you're being so cute right now, I want to pinch your cheeks.

Rock-Cena I believe was the biggest PPV draw in wrestling history. But okay, you didnt dig it.

Rollins may not have been booked how you liked it, but if you look at his story arc, it was clear they planned his ascension for well over a year.
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Not quite as you believing that the YES Movement was something WWE tried to stop. You know, by constantly talking about it, and focusing the camera on the entire crowd doing it to teach future crowds to do it. In fact you're being so cute right now, I want to pinch your cheeks.

Rock-Cena I believe was the biggest PPV draw in wrestling history. But okay, you didnt dig it.

Rollins may not have been booked how you liked it, but if you look at his story arc, it was clear they planned his ascension for well over a year.


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Not quite as you believing that the YES Movement was something WWE tried to stop. You know, by constantly talking about it, and focusing the camera on the entire crowd doing it to teach future crowds to do it. In fact you're being so cute right now, I want to pinch your cheeks.
Again, I can't tell if you're trolling by continually changing your argument or maybe you just need to learn reading comprehension. No one has said WWE tried to stop or didn't embrace or acknowledge the YES movement once it took off. Especially after fans shit on Batista and the Rumble finish that year.

That doesn't mean that WWE planned or expected for the YES movement and Daniel Bryan to become as big as they did beforehand. It's definitely not proof that they planned all along to put Bryan in the main event at WM.
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Well look, CyNick can like it all he wants. But telling us how amazing it is and how Vince is a god and we're ignorant if we don't think that is a little bit odd. Yes we get it, we aren't "the demographic", but really, great t.v. appeals to ALL demographics, just teetering towards specific ones. And realistically, what children are up from 9-11 o'clock on a school night lol? That doesn't really make sense to me. It'd be adults channel surfing you'd want to hook in.
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Well look, CyNick can like it all he wants. But telling us how amazing it is and how Vince is a god and we're ignorant if we don't think that is a little bit odd. Yes we get it, we aren't "the demographic", but really, great t.v. appeals to ALL demographics, just teetering towards specific ones. And realistically, what children are up from 9-11 o'clock on a school night lol? That doesn't really make sense to me. It'd be adults channel surfing you'd want to hook in.
Its not just about kids though, it's about appealing to advertisers and not coming off as softcore porn. I don't recall very many angles recently that embarrassed me as a fan. Looking back, if I was watching 1999 WWF today, I wouldn't want anyone to know I watch that type of filth.
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And just because business is good, doesn't mean the product is good. Wal Mart does tremendously but you go into Wal Mart and it's a fucking wasteland. So yeah, WWE is great at being Wal Mart. Wonderful for them, terrible for people who like a little bit more out of what they watch.

Though it's not without it's awesome moments. That's the one great thing about wrestling, even if it is terrible, there can always be those moments that click, and give you goosebumps. When it's good, it's fucking good. Just these days, with the slap dash way it's put together mass produced and shit out week to week, those moments are fewer and far between.
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And just because business is good, doesn't mean the product is good. Wal Mart does tremendously but you go into Wal Mart and it's a fucking wasteland. So yeah, WWE is great at being Wal Mart. Wonderful for them, terrible for people who like a little bit more out of what they watch.

Though it's not without it's awesome moments. That's the one great thing about wrestling, even if it is terrible, there can always be those moments that click, and give you goosebumps. When it's good, it's fucking good. Just these days, with the slap dash way it's put together mass produced and shit out week to week, those moments are fewer and far between.
Right but to me is like watching Saturday Night Live. I don't care for the show now, but even when i watched every week, there would be 2 or 3 sketches every week that I thought were terrible. Oh well I would think, can't win em all. When the bad sketches far out numbered the good ones, I shut it down. My disconnect with people is when they say the product is no good and barely watch, but can tell me every time Seth Rollins did a JOB in the last 8 months.
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The Big Show ironclad contract thing wasn't too bad, honestly.... the contract thing was from like 1.5 years or so before the angle where he was threatened to be fired.... and it is just an element that was quietly dropped, and they moved on from it to tell another story.
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They kind of stuck on it for awhile threatening to fire him each week until BattleGround.
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Did CyNick really just try to defend the way WWE ended the Bellas feud by having them go from mortal enemies to friends with no explanation... as NOT being mindblowingly retarded writing?

I can't with this right now. I just can't.
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Did CyNick really just try to defend the way WWE ended the Bellas feud by having them go from mortal enemies to friends with no explanation... as NOT being mindblowingly retarded writing?

I can't with this right now. I just can't.
I criticized the writing for some of the verbiage. I mean I assume that wasnt the girls going off on their own.

The writing of the start of the angle was fine. Nikki was a cunt, Bri had enough, they fight. Makes perfect sense. The problem was the execution of especially Bri trying to be a babyface was God awful.

I think WWE looked at that and went "well we either fire Bri because she's useless as a face by herself, or we put them back together as a unit. My guess is how the story played out wasnt the original plan, but they just wanted to put them back as a team, so they almost said "no pretend that didnt happen". It bad writing, but it was caused by lack of skill of some of the talent involved.
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My guess is how the story played out wasnt the original plan, but they just wanted to put them back as a team, so they almost said "no pretend that didnt happen". It bad writing, but it was caused by lack of skill of some of the talent involved.
No. Not gonna let you try to actually reason that. lol

It was horrific writing and the fact that the girls involved weren't good (Surprise, genius writers! The Bellas can't act!) doesn't excuse them from actually finding a way out of it instead of just "Okay, friends now." It's retarded writing. And it's quite normal for WWE to be that unorganized and "figure shit out as we go".
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No. Not gonna let you try to actually reason that. lol

It was horrific writing and the fact that the girls involved weren't good (Surprise, genius writers! The Bellas can't act!) doesn't excuse them from actually finding a way out of it instead of just "Okay, friends now." It's retarded writing. And it's quite normal for WWE to be that unorganized and "figure shit out as we go".
I dunno, I dont disagree with you. At the same time, my brother and I would occasionally get into a scuffle, and then be laughing about it 10 minutes later.
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I dunno, I dont disagree with you. At the same time, my brother and I would occasionally get into a scuffle, and then be laughing about it 10 minutes later.
So your brother would help someone beat you up, say he wish you died, pour food and drink on you, beat you up himself, and humiliate you on national television and ten minutes later you would laugh about it.
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