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Old 11-23-2015, 10:33 AM   #1
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It will only add to his delusions that he's a maverick/rogue in the same light as Han Solo.
Now i wish i watched Star Trek and understood the reference
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Old 11-23-2015, 12:14 PM   #2
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Now i wish i watched Star Trek and understood the reference
Star Wars get it right. Han Solo would kick your ass for putting him in Star Trek.
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Old 11-23-2015, 12:54 PM   #3
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Star Wars get it right. Han Solo would kick your ass for putting him in Star Trek.
You would think he would want to establish those Star Trek guys so they can make money together.
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Old 11-19-2015, 10:03 PM   #4
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Yeah, good point. Best I just ignore it and keep my laughter to myself.
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For the sake of wrestling discussion though:

Is there an angle that is widely considered terrible that you actually didn't mind? I'd rather just cut CyNick out of the conversation. He can answer, of course -- but I'll ignore it.
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Old 11-20-2015, 03:04 AM   #6
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Point of order: can anyone speak in the notion that the booking of the mania 19 match was changed last minute? I was under the impression the build went how it did because booker was going to go over, and day of hhh pushed to keep the belt. Any truth to this?


It would explain why the build seemed to come off poorly.
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Old 11-23-2015, 10:36 AM   #7
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Point of order: can anyone speak in the notion that the booking of the mania 19 match was changed last minute? I was under the impression the build went how it did because booker was going to go over, and day of hhh pushed to keep the belt. Any truth to this?


It would explain why the build seemed to come off poorly.
One of the reporters or people with podcasts should ask Vince or Triple H to clarify.

Instead they will ask a guy who was a janitor at one of the arenas who claims he overheard Vince talking to Hunter about the finish while taking a dump.
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One of the reporters or people with podcasts should ask Vince or Triple H to clarify.

Instead they will ask a guy who was a janitor at one of the arenas who claims he overheard Vince talking to Hunter about the finish while taking a dump.
Actually, no, a lot of the time they speak to actual talent involved, or the podcaster themselves has experience with the WWE.
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Old 11-23-2015, 05:01 PM   #9
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Actually, no, a lot of the time they speak to actual talent involved, or the podcaster themselves has experience with the WWE.
Right, so a bunch of hearsay. Vince has final say, he doesn't run everything by every member of creative, or every star on the roster.

Why not go to the source?

Because the source won't feed the narrative they are trying to sell you to get you to read the next newsletter to get the scoopz.
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Old 11-20-2015, 03:09 AM   #10
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For the sake of wrestling discussion though:

Is there an angle that is widely considered terrible that you actually didn't mind? .
For me the mania 7 blind fold match that gets shit on I enjoyed.
The invasion angle finale I enjoyed
Nash ending the streak
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Old 11-20-2015, 03:30 AM   #11
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Bryan got so over in WWE partly because he was already so well known by indy fans from his decade plus on the independent circuit. He was also a guy who was seen as relatable due to having to attend therapy all the while keeping a strained (to say the least) relationship with Kane going as they were tag champs, plus he had to fight against a perceived injustice in a quest to regain his WWE Championship by standing up for himself against his boss. Between that and the positivity that radiated from the "YES!" chants, he was made to come off as a very down-to-earth man of simple pleasures.
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Bryan got so over in WWE partly because he was already so well known by indy fans from his decade plus on the independent circuit. He was also a guy who was seen as relatable due to having to attend therapy all the while keeping a strained (to say the least) relationship with Kane going as they were tag champs, plus he had to fight against a perceived injustice in a quest to regain his WWE Championship by standing up for himself against his boss. Between that and the positivity that radiated from the "YES!" chants, he was made to come off as a very down-to-earth man of simple pleasures.
His in ring work with the WWE got people on board too he is a joy to watch in the ring the connection he made with fans runs amazingly deep like the Rock my overall point is the Rock and DB are two vastly different people but both are darlings to fans they are extraordinary Batista is...average Cynick makes it sound like he was something special.
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Old 11-20-2015, 07:16 AM   #13
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His in ring work with the WWE got people on board too he is a joy to watch in the ring the connection he made with fans runs amazingly deep like the Rock my overall point is the Rock and DB are two vastly different people but both are darlings to fans they are extraordinary Batista is...average Cynick makes it sound like he was something special.
Let's just say there's a reason I decided to AVOID the Batista discussion between you two. Mostly because I don't want to end up endlessly arguing with CyNick, but that's a whole different issue altogether.
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And for the record there was in fact a point were Booker T as a heel was played completely straight. He had a stint after it was reveled that his was complicit in his wife's cheating to help him win matches.
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Old 11-23-2015, 10:44 AM   #15
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His in ring work with the WWE got people on board too he is a joy to watch in the ring the connection he made with fans runs amazingly deep like the Rock my overall point is the Rock and DB are two vastly different people but both are darlings to fans they are extraordinary Batista is...average Cynick makes it sound like he was something special.
Bryan caught fire and WWE added gasoline to make it an inferno. I don't think Bryan was going to stay that over for years and years. But that's just a guess on my part.

Rock is maybe the most charismatic guy to ever step into a ring, so that's a tough standard to set.

The discussion is Bats vs Booker. I maintain Batista had more potential based on look alone than Booker. Again, just my opinion. The FACT is Batista ended up having more success, which indicates I am right.
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I'm confused. If heels shouldn't win too much, where's the login in Hunter basically running through any credible face or possible top babyface the company had from 2003-2005? Why didn't fans cheer him? I mean, he was winning a lot.
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Old 11-20-2015, 08:25 PM   #17
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I'm confused. If heels shouldn't win too much, where's the login in Hunter basically running through any credible face or possible top babyface the company had from 2003-2005? Why didn't fans cheer him? I mean, he was winning a lot.
Oh that's because hhh was a monster amazing next level super sayan heel. But I wouldn't expect you to understand the same way Vince and I do.
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I'm confused. If heels shouldn't win too much, where's the login in Hunter basically running through any credible face or possible top babyface the company had from 2003-2005? Why didn't fans cheer him? I mean, he was winning a lot.
He put over Goldberg, Benoit, and Batista during that time.

So he actually did what a good heel does. Lose the big match.
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He put over Goldberg, Benoit, and Batista during that time.

So he actually did what a good heel does. Lose the big match.
As opposed to Rollins, who lost all the time, defended by the "heels can't win too much" malarkey you tried to pass off as an excuse whenever Rollins losing got complained about.

So was Hunter a shitty heel since he only lost the big matches and rarely lost otherwise? I'm shocked he didn't go face.
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As opposed to Rollins, who lost all the time, defended by the "heels can't win too much" malarkey you tried to pass off as an excuse whenever Rollins losing got complained about.

So was Hunter a shitty heel since he only lost the big matches and rarely lost otherwise? I'm shocked he didn't go face.
The point is Hunter didn't win all the time. He beat certain guys, but would ultimately lose the big match. That's how you build a storyline. The hero wins in the end. Hunter generally speaking would lose in the end so he stayed heel.

Hunter was also at a different point in his career vs Rollins in 2015. In 2003 Hunter had already been champion multiple times, he had headlined multiple Manias. If you look at how they booked Rollins, he won the title, and beat guys at a certain level. They were just starting to give him more credible wins (Sting, Kane), but he was likely going to lose the big one against Reigns. My guess though is he was going to look good in that match. Not unlike HHH. He beat the guys like Booker T and RVD but lost to Goldberg or Benoit or Batista.
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The point is Hunter didn't win all the time. He beat certain guys, but would ultimately lose the big match. That's how you build a storyline. The hero wins in the end. Hunter generally speaking would lose in the end so he stayed heel.

Hunter was also at a different point in his career vs Rollins in 2015. In 2003 Hunter had already been champion multiple times, he had headlined multiple Manias. If you look at how they booked Rollins, he won the title, and beat guys at a certain level. They were just starting to give him more credible wins (Sting, Kane), but he was likely going to lose the big one against Reigns. My guess though is he was going to look good in that match. Not unlike HHH. He beat the guys like Booker T and RVD but lost to Goldberg or Benoit or Batista.
Lose in the end. Key phrase. You're dancing around the point. You said Rollins can't win too much or it'll turn him face. Hunter was beating everybody but because he. eventually lost it was ok? You're making no sense.

Hunter was beating established main eventers in Mick Foley and bested the Rock at Wrestlemania. He then won his feud against Austin before losing to Taker the following year. He also beat Kurt Angle in the interim, won the IC title and then blew out his leg.

It's not the same despite your lame attempts to defend the booking of Rollins. The minute Hunter got the belt, they protected him. The minute Rollins got the belt, they jobbed him. One heel would all the time barring a huge marquee match, whereas Rollins wa losing on a semi weekly basis.
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The money was in Triple H facing Batista in 2005, remember? After they failed to make that money off Triple H vs. Randy Orton in 2004...
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Randy only got the belt at that time as a fuck you to Lesnar. He really wasn't ready at that point, despite them feeding Foley to him repeatedly.

Batista benefitted from a better angle (which more or less started after Randy's burial), better timing, and a better look.

There's really only one reason RVD, Goldberg, and Booker didn't get to finally end the reign of terror, and it has NOTHING to do with politics, and EVERYTHING to do with why Batista was chosen: which one of the four guys that I just mentioned was a Vince creation?
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Randy only got the belt at that time as a fuck you to Lesnar. He really wasn't ready at that point, despite them feeding Foley to him repeatedly.

Batista benefitted from a better angle (which more or less started after Randy's burial), better timing, and a better look.

There's really only one reason RVD, Goldberg, and Booker didn't get to finally end the reign of terror, and it has NOTHING to do with politics, and EVERYTHING to do with why Batista was chosen: which one of the four guys that I just mentioned was a Vince creation?
But he created Benoit and Guerrero? Interesting.
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But he created Benoit and Guerrero? Interesting.
Except, Benoit didn't really end the Reign of Terror. How many PPVs did he main event without HHH and/or HBK? 1, when he dropped to Orton.

Guerrero wasn't on Raw.

You're a piss poor troll. Nice attempt to shift the goalposts, though.
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Old 11-23-2015, 05:04 PM   #27
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Except, Benoit didn't really end the Reign of Terror. How many PPVs did he main event without HHH and/or HBK? 1, when he dropped to Orton.

Guerrero wasn't on Raw.

You're a piss poor troll. Nice attempt to shift the goalposts, though.
Lol

So even when he puts over Benoit in the middle of the ring in MSG at 20, he's still evil. Amazing!

Maybe you missed the following months when Benoit still couldn't cut a promo, and his reactions died down.

And even if you want to fault Hunter for that, which is absurd. He spent the next 6-9 months heating up Batista and then put him over clean on 3 straight shows. Whaaaaat a bastatd!
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Old 11-23-2015, 05:07 PM   #28
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Lol

So even when he puts over Benoit in the middle of the ring in MSG at 20, he's still evil. Amazing!

Maybe you missed the following months when Benoit still couldn't cut a promo, and his reactions died down.

And even if you want to fault Hunter for that, which is absurd. He spent the next 6-9 months heating up Batista and then put him over clean on 3 straight shows. Whaaaaat a bastatd!
lol his reactions went down because they didn't book him in main even angles
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Old 11-20-2015, 09:00 PM   #29
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Also, RVD is terrible and should have never been anywhere near the WWE Title.
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Old 11-20-2015, 09:52 PM   #30
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Also, RVD is terrible and should have never been anywhere near the WWE Title.
I'd say in the ring he wasn't great but he had an undeniable connection with the audience and could put on a hell of a show. Oh lol and he couldn't talk either. But he certainly had am it factor about him. Pretty neutral towards him tbh. Worst working punched ever.
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Old 11-20-2015, 09:53 PM   #31
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I was never the biggest RVD mark, but he was over enough to be in the main event picture. It seemed a lot of time was spent trying to cool him.
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Old 11-20-2015, 09:53 PM   #32
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You have a guy that over, you try and make money off him. And I'm sure the WWE did, but not as much as they could have obviously.
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Old 11-20-2015, 10:14 PM   #33
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If he hadn't fucked up shortly after beating Cena, Van Dam could have had a really tremendous run as simultaneous WWE and ECW Champions.
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Old 11-21-2015, 12:25 AM   #34
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I think they would have taken the WWE Title off him before too long. He did fuck up, but it doesn't change the company fucking up with him for the better part of five years up to that point.
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Can the much maligned Cynick explain the much maligned Survivor Series?

STAY TUNED FOR THE CYNICK's REPLY IN "The thread where we get CyNick to defend maligned storylines, and tell us how we don't understand..."

DUN DUN DUNNNNNNN
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Old 11-23-2015, 04:29 PM   #37
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Can the much maligned Cynick explain the much maligned Survivor Series?

STAY TUNED FOR THE CYNICK's REPLY IN "The thread where we get CyNick to defend maligned storylines, and tell us how we don't understand..."

DUN DUN DUNNNNNNN
I have quote ready for when he does.
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Old 11-23-2015, 01:02 AM   #38
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I really don't need the CyNick, I mean WWE is pretty much dead set on Roman Reigns being the top baby face and tonight set that in motion. Sheamus as champ is better than Reigns at this point and pretty much they're trying to recreate a Daniel Bryan scenerio where Reigns keeps getting screwed out of the title. I don't think it will work but it seems like the plan. Reigns probably gets screwed at TLC and then wins the Rumble. Could see Cena returning and winning the title off Sheamus at The Royal Rumble to set up Reigns/Cena.
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Old 11-23-2015, 05:58 AM   #39
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Reigns might win it at TLC in order to get to Reigns vs. Brock too. I don't care either way.
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The idea of Vince or HHH telling the truth is laughable lol. It WOULD make sense that the booking changed with the way the angle was booked.
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