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Old 09-10-2004, 09:25 PM   #121
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They have Steven Jackson... Gordon was expendable. And Seahorn, even when healthy, has sucked for years now.

I don't think they'll finish above Seattle but it would be for other reasons.
I don't think they will make the playoffs, but some people did, one of them being VEL. I was simply asking him if his opinion had changed since these recent developments.
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Also, VEL has your opinion changed at all since the Rams traded their backup running back, lost a safety, and couldn't resign Seahorn? IMO anybody having them finish higher than second is crazy, even before these last three incidents.
What the fuck? Their backup running back? He was like 4th on the depth chart. They have Faulk, Jackson, and Arlen Harris still.

Not getting Sehorn isn't a huge deal since they weren't planning on bringing him back until just recently anyways. And yeah their secondary is weak but St. Louis has always been a more offensive team anyways. With Pace back and in great shape their offence is just that much better. With a great backup in Jackson they will be even more dangerous on the ground, so St. Louis will be just fine this year.
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What are you talking about? Chicago is awful. Their QB is crap, and his targets are even worse. They've got a decent running game, so they'll probably do good against Detroit this week since Detroit can't stop anybody on the ground. Their defense isn't anything special, aside from Urlacher. They're not even in the top 2 teams in their division, so that there dramatically weakens their chance of any post-season success. Chicago doesn't even have any good up and coming guys that make you say "in 2 years this team will be good", like Detroit or Houston or anybody. They're just mediocore all over.
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What the fuck? Their backup running back? He was like 4th on the depth chart. They have Faulk, Jackson, and Arlen Harris still.

Not getting Sehorn isn't a huge deal since they weren't planning on bringing him back until just recently anyways. And yeah their secondary is weak but St. Louis has always been a more offensive team anyways. With Pace back and in great shape their offence is just that much better. With a great backup in Jackson they will be even more dangerous on the ground, so St. Louis will be just fine this year.
Pace is all they have on the offensive line now that Turley is out for the season. Basically this is the last Rams team of this era that will finish above 500, and I don't think they will make the playoffs even in the new format. They have a quarterback who throws too many interceptions, an injury prone running back fading pretty fast, and a horrible defense, ranked in the bottom five for a bunch of defensive caterogies last year. They have one true corner back, since Aeneas Williams is listed as a safety, and besides him their safeties are really low too, which is why they needed Seahorn back and why losing the other guy was such a huge blow.

They won't be horrible, but everybody in St. Louis knows that the greatest show on turf is pretty much done now. In a year or two they will be good again, but they won't be the same weapons as the past few years. On paper they still look alright, but winning the division is out of the question and making the playoffs is a long long stretch.
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I said Chicago will be this year's Cowboys. In that they will shock everyone by getting into they playoffs but probably not winning the wild card game.

Also, Lovie Smith will be a top candidate for coach of the year.
Are you SURE you said Cowboys?

Don't you think you might have said they would be this year's Panthers? (NFC Champs... lol)
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What the hell? ESPN has Hovan listed as our best DL threat.

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Also, VEL has your opinion changed at all since the Rams traded their backup running back, lost a safety, and couldn't resign Seahorn? IMO anybody having them finish higher than second is crazy, even before these last three incidents.
No.

Gordon meant nothing this year.
Seahorn was ok for nickles or dimes... thats about it...
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Hahaha I hope the Cowboys failed to gameplan against Kevin Williams. That would be hilarious to see.
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Seahorn was ok for nickles or dimes... thats about it...
You're missing the whole point though, which is that the Rams have a horrible secondary and its getting even more depleted. They weren't trying to get Seahorn to play the same role Deion Sanders will in Baltimore, they needed him to play a role on their team. It doesn't matter that Seahorn sucks now, because he was the best they could get.
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Are you SURE you said Cowboys?

Don't you think you might have said they would be this year's Panthers? (NFC Champs... lol)
No. I picked them to finish 2nd in the division and get a playoff berth although no one is expecting it ala Dallas.

However, Everyone expected Carolina to be last in the NFC South last year, no one was even discussing them in the off-season and they ended up being a huge suprise so in that way, I would compare Chicago to them.

I'm predicting the same success as Dallas had though.
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You're missing the whole point though, which is that the Rams have a horrible secondary and its getting even more depleted. They weren't trying to get Seahorn to play the same role Deion Sanders will in Baltimore, they needed him to play a role on their team. It doesn't matter that Seahorn sucks now, because he was the best they could get.
Yes and your missing the point, it's the NFL w/ their cap you don't have many complete teams, you cant spend anywhere.

STL puts it in offense, will their secondary get burned a few times, sure. Will they make up for it by putting up 30 points a game, sure.

Still my pick, Weak division and I'm not sold on Seattle, seeing the 1st or 2nd won't shock me, seeing them make the playoffs wouldn't surprise me.
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Agreed to disagree slightly. I am confident they finish above 500 and second in their division, nothing more though.
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Agreed to disagree slightly. I am confident they finish above 500 and second in their division, nothing more though.
Above .500 can get you a wildcard in todays nfl.

but we'll see.
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Yes and your missing the point, it's the NFL w/ their cap you don't have many complete teams, you cant spend anywhere.

STL puts it in offense, will their secondary get burned a few times, sure. Will they make up for it by putting up 30 points a game, sure.

Still my pick, Weak division and I'm not sold on Seattle, seeing the 1st or 2nd won't shock me, seeing them make the playoffs wouldn't surprise me.
I'm researching the Rams, and apparently this year Faulk is making 7.5 million dollars, the most for a halfback, and despite being a Giant, Kurt Warner will be making 4.6... 6.7 next year.

Pace is making 7 mil, now take into consideration the contracts of Leonard Little, Jimmy Kennedy , Dave Wohlabah(sp) and Kyle Turley, and that's a LOT of money tied up in retirements/injuries/etc.

So I don't know how much Bulger/Holt/Bruce/Timmerman/Archuletta/Polley/Robert Thomas/Aeneas are making, but I'm sure that the vast majority of their cap is tied up there. And this year, that's not enough.

A huge piece of being a good team, is to have managed the cap correctly, and to suffer minimal injuries -- any injuries you incur should either be beneficial (Drew Bledsoe, Trent Green), or just gameplanned around (Colvin/Washington). Losing 2/5 of your starting offensive line to injuries and 1/4 of your D-line to injuries... and then another 1/4 lost to free agency and yet another to drunk driving... it starts to add up.

Keep in mind that likely your highest-paid player is good for 8 games per season, at roughly 1 million dollars per game, so you have to waste your first draft pick as insurance, and his window is closing -- as is your #2 receiver, then you have to think, how can the Rams do it? And if they don't this year... which they obviously won't, since Mike Martz is still coach, then how soon before they can become contenders again?

Once Faulk is off the books, and Turley, and Wohlabah, and Leonard Little comes back from prison , maybe they can spend wisely in free agency.

I'm looking at the Vikings. They have the talent to win the next five superbowls in place.

If only they had someone who could take them there...

Stupid Tice, if you can't at LEAST get to the superbowl, I'm comin' for ya.
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Brian Williams

Did you see his stats today?

4 Tackles 2 Big Hits

He was just badass workin against Keyshawn and company
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Keyshawn had a big game, of course Brian Williams is gonna have some tackles since he was covering Key. Keyshawn is the fuckin man, the Cowboys will be good this year again.
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Brian Williams was playing with a sprained knee. Keyshawn wouldn't catch those if B-W was healthy. Know why? Because B-W is the man. And he made plays DESPITE his injury. So on two healthy wheels, Me-shawn would have been shut down. But Bryant would have had a career day.
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My god.... you people make excuses even when you win!!!

Anyways, I'm not disapointed with Dallas at all. I said a couple weeks ago I was much more worried about the defense than the offense. The defense looked bad, the offense looked good. They played their hearts out. The defense is just not intimidating at all. That's the thing. They can play solid... but they don't make big hits and they don't get turnovers.
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I take that back about the offense looking good...

The passing game looked good. They really could have used Julius.
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My god.... you people make excuses even when you win!!!

Anyways, I'm not disapointed with Dallas at all. I said a couple weeks ago I was much more worried about the defense than the offense. The defense looked bad, the offense looked good. They played their hearts out. The defense is just not intimidating at all. That's the thing. They can play solid... but they don't make big hits and they don't get turnovers.
LOL.

Excuses? I gave the Cowboys the same excuse. Their secondary is broken down, Minnesota's is as well. Minnesota had one healthy CB, and he did an amazing job. However, Dallas has too many options at receiver for anyone but the deepest CB corps to fully defend. However, in the red zone, the Vikings can use their depth at DL and linebacker to really shut a team down, because linebackers can drop into zone in pass coverage, and our DL can clamp down. Dallas has a good front 7, but their best player, Darren Woodsen, is out. He would have made it a lot tougher for Minnesota, and probably would have gotten an INT, a sack or both. Vikings offensive line played immense today. And you can't blame the Dallas defense, because remember what people said about the Patriots defense being exploited? That's what a good offense does. Dallas will do just fine defensively. But the Vikings are going to break their own scoring record this year.

Moss said it best himself, the group they have this year can put up 40 points a game, and today they came damn close, against a great defense. And the thing is, the 'boys had a 20 minute drive in the first half, totally swallowed the TOP. Who can compare to the Cowboys defense? Probably New England. I believe MN is facing them this season, and they'll probably hold the Vikings below...

Wait no, the vertical game can kill them. The Vikings have that. The Pats game might turn into a shootout like what the Colts game would have been if not for James' fumbles.

About the Bears... you got the Panthers right, you got the year wrong. Three years ago. Chris Wienke.

Anyway, Dallas got pressure, but Culpepper escaped and made them pay with completions. You have to have a better rush than that to get Pep. With Woodson, you could have sent him, Roy or both on the blitz and disrupted Pep... but without him, sending Roy in would only leave you vulnerable over the top.

Swear to God though, as good as the Vikings CBs played, those catches were completely indefenseable, except for Glenn's TD, which was still tough since he FINGERTIPPED IT IN THE CORNER OF THE END ZONE WHILE FALLING.

The rest of the catches were just Keyshawn playing pro bowl caliber football. After seeing this one game, he's #4 on my list of WR's. Behind Moss/Burleson/Robinson. Maybe Kelly Campbell... we'll see...
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Yeah they could totally have used a holder for the 2nd FG in the game.
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Yeah I agree. Vinny, the WRs and the O-Line were just awful today. They need some SERIOUS help.
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The problem with Dallas' defense is that they are the most unintimidating defense to ever be ranked #1. They absolutely CAN'T get turnovers if their lives depended on it. And when they play a high powered offense it almost seems like they actually become intimidated and it leads to trying to hard and getting intereferance penalites and such.
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The problem with Dallas' defense is that they are the most unintimidating defense to ever be ranked #1. They absolutely CAN'T get turnovers if their lives depended on it. And when they play a high powered offense it almost seems like they actually become intimidated and it leads to trying to hard and getting intereferance penalites and such.

Did you see how their defense would hesitate on sacks and pursuing somebody?

I mean... they let Culpepper get away with alot of runs. They would stand there like if they were thinking.
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I didn't actually get to see the game. (Stupid local rules... had to watch the 49ers-Falcons game instead)

It's how Dallas' defense has been playing for about 5 years now though. The only difference last year was that they made tackles and were more disciplined thanks to Parcells. It can only take you so far though when you aren't making big plays.
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I mean... they let Culpepper get away with alot of runs. They would stand there like if they were thinking.
Probably because they knew better.

Coakley went for a blitz, gave up a 65 yard TD. Awesome. I bet that really kept the blitzers honest for the rest of the game.
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Well coming into the season I had pretty high expectations for the Vikings, and after watching the first two games I know I was thinking a little too high, but now I am not predicting more than 10 wins.

Why you ask?

Out for season:
Ken Irvin (Starting CB)
Jimmy Kliensasser (Starting TE)
Mike Rosenthal (Starting LT)

Temporarily Injured:
Michael Bennett (Starting HB)
Moe Williams (Starting HB)
Jerome Wiggins (Starting TE after Kliensasser)

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Onterrio Smith (backup RB, out for middle of season)
Kenny Mixon (Starting LE)


Our O-Line was supposed to be one of the leagues best, but if you watched the MNF game after Rosenthal went out, they can't hold a thing. Add to that a great blocking TE is out aswell. Then our secondary, which hasn't looked good at all this year I might add, loses a starter. We have holes everywhere and we aren't good enough to play around it. I am probably missing some people too.
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I thought that Minnesota could legitimately compete with the Eagles last night. But alas, the Eagles stomped them a mudhole, I think the Eagles are the NFC rep this year in the big dance. Until we see who they lose to and why, I don't think anyone can topple them this year. Unless of course, they get some odd batch of injuries.

We all know Jevon Kearse will get some turf toe walking through his house to get a soda.
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Personally I didn't think the Eagles looked very good last night, we just looked worse. They didn't pressure Duante that much until Rosenthal left the game. Daunte completed tonns of passes. Our running backs were depleted, and that is supposed to be a weakness for the Eagles, blocking the running game. TO didn't do a lot and McNabb had some throws that were real off target.

They legitimately beat us, I'm not going to lie that they outplayed us and everything, but I wouldn't say they dominated us by any means. I see the Eagles losing in the playoffs again to a team with a better defense and an average offense. I'm not sure who that is in the NFC yet though.
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Somebody help! I have three bad fantasy QB's and don't know which one to sit!

Favre, Garcia, or Harrington!!!!

Whats your choice? I have Harrington down now since he is playing the Eagles, but I'm afraid he is going to come up big!!! HELP!!!
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What the hell, Minnesota doesn't even have a lot of injuries, compared to other teams. Steve Smith and Stephen Davis? David Boston and Ricky Williams? (not an injury but same idea) Deuce McAllister? Charles Rogers, Dre Bly, Andre Goodman? Kellen Winslow, Lee Suggs? A lot of teams have injury problems, this year it seems to be worse than normally. Teams have to adjust to that. You're right, if the Vikings can't adjust then they will suck this year.


The Eagles haven't proved anything yet. They played a horrible team in the Giants, and a weak Minnesota secondary. This week they play Detroit, which is by no means a real test of their ability. Wait until at least week 6 when they finally play a decent defensive team in Carolina. How the Eagles got such an easy schedule is beyond me, but they're beating the teams they should so at least you can say that much about them.
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