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Also, I can't honestly believe that anyone can say Masters hasn't been givena chance.
His introduction i treated as an event and all three announcers are practically doing cartwheels to get him over. Once again, I also want to point out that he's been given a ton of TV time (you can verify on the wwe fantasy stat tracker): he's appeared on 10 of the last 12 Raw's. He's gotten the "victory" on 7 of those appearances. (fanasy monster BTW). Ask guys like Tajiri or Steven Richards how much difference appearing on Raw rather than heat can make in terms of your career, your exposre and your paycheck. He just went over Shelton Benjamin. They never even had Big Show lay a finger on him. And now HBK...the writers are doing everything humanly possible to make him look good. I know that osme fans are willing to cut down anything on TV . I know that. i was one of the ones bitching at people complaining about SS. But this is just not the case. Master shas been given chance after chance to rile up the crowd, to get some kind of reaction, and has been put in the ring with some decent workers. And nothing is happening. This isn't a smark thing, The live audience is bored to tears by him. And they're the ones these kinds of characters usually get heat from first. And whatever his gimmick is or isn't, he's shit in thering. Shit. Utter, utter shit. You can't blame the writers or the bookers for that. He can't cut a promo. He can't wrestle. He is doing nothing except taking up TV time that could otherwise go to someone else on the roster hwo deserves it. |
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He is getting a premature push, but he has potential and time will prove me right. If youve ever been in the ring with some one good you know how much they can teach you. HBK could give him what he needs to be as good as he should be, and as good as I think he will be.
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Much respect to PH for coming up with a couple I had forgotten.
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He will probably spend the next eight months or so as an upper midcarder, even , god help me, main eventing here and there. Every match will be atrocious. And by next year people will be begging to see him fired. If we're lucky, the WWE will get the hint and he'll spend the rest of his career after that as a heelish midcard jobber like Rene Dupree (another young guy with more talent than Masters) or William Regal. |
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Time will prove you right? Come on now, you're banking on a horse who has shown nothing. What grounds beyond fanboyism and a desperate attempt to cling to a prior statement do you have to go on? |
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Why the rabid defense then? What difference does it make if we think he's utter shit, since you have no problem with being wrong? |
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TPWW is not really a fan-boy board. *Most* of the regulars here are sarcastic dickheads, but they are hard-thinking know-their-shit dickheads. And if they don't like someone it always for something more valid than "HE SUX CUZ H BROKD STEVES NOZ!!11!1 roxorz!! |
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Not having done anything wrong yet does not mean he's destined for greatness, which is what you're asserting. You can't cite anything that he's done worthy of fan attention? You justify this all in the blind faith that not having "dropped the ball," Which you lose on because you insist he lacks exposure (Or was that the other one of you guys), is good enough to equal something positive. Except the odds are running strong that he'll be an also-ran if anything other than shit. You insist he's got potential. Not having screwed up yet =/= potential. And I'm being generous enough to ignore his sloppy wrestling, lack of mic skills, and lack of crowd reaction in terms of "screwing up" for the sake of this statement. By the way, Cena IS better than him. HE's been watered down since he's been pushed to the main event, but he's got the chops. However, when pushed to the main event, a wrestler ALWAYS suffers a loss of moves, especially higher risk moves (But not limited to that). However, he's relying on charisma and actual fan reactions a la most main eventers. These are things that Cena had at a stage in his career comparable to Masters current location. These are things that establish someone, not dead crowds. Not even wrestling skills, necessarily (IF this was true, I'd never praise JBL). You're making assertions you can't seem to back up in terms of what he's got, and ignoring that he's gotten better and more exposure than most superstars on TV. So what is there? Tell me, instead of saying "I'm a fan because he hasn't screwed up," tell me a real reason. Being a fan implies you think positive things, but you can't seem to give me a positive thing, only a lack of a negative (Essentially a breakeven point that he hasn't dropped the ball, which ignores a LOT of important factors). And since you can't seem to successfully put even THAT forth, I can't see what's worth being a fan for, or being so sure that he'll go places. And if that is all you can assert to support your assertions, then yes, that is very much fanboyism. |
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Sorry I repeated myself essentially, but I thought it might get through in the second or third time I wrote it.
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Then you'll forever be known as...a retard.
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Sorry I wasnt rased to hate with out a cause Mr.Bush.
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See, again, you don't really say why you think he's on to better things, you just go back to his lack of sucking.
And cutting a better promo than a guy who not only appears on velocity primarily, but who got as prestigious as defending a title on Velocity? Yeah, that takes a lot. Benjamin's cut some good promos and some shit ones, but he's not supposed to be a wordsmith. He's clearly supposed to be a great physical performer. Cutting a promo better than a guy booked as the best athelete in the WWE and a Cruiserweight? If that's the best you can do for bragging rights... Seriously, since he's actually cutting REGULAR promos on Raw, he SHOULD be better than Paul London, who is not. And he should be way better. Unfortunately, he's not. Since he's booked as physically dominating, he shouldn't look like a fucking worthless oaf. Unfortunately, the writers can't write him talent or mic skills. |
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But is praising without a reason any less retarded? Again, you've failed to justify.... |
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I remember not tool ong ago going through several of these epic discussions with a certain Msrrs. Shadow and NCHIGHFLYER over a certain pair of faggy brothers from North Cacka-lacky. Memories. |
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Oh wait, I'm sorry, that's devastating to your argument that all you said was "give him a chance." I'd better not mention it. |
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That's a reason, though you'll come up with some cop out here too. I mean, you probably still cling to the fact that more TV time than most superstars not named Triple H=underpushed. So I can't argue with you there, because you won't listen (To me or the crowd reactions). When you are a performer and you fail to illicit a reaction from the crowd, you have failed. And yes, if you're saying you're a fan, if you're saying he's got potential, you are praising him. These are not statements of "wait and see." Meanwhile, we are giving you actual definitives of our problems. Well, I suppose that's a fanboy for ya. |
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And they (The HArdy BoyZ) did it without needing to be in a main event feud. |
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Main Entry: 1praise Pronunciation: 'prAz Function: verb Inflected Form(s): praised; prais·ing Etymology: Middle English, from Old French preisier to prize, praise, from Late Latin pretiare to prize, from Latin pretium price -- more at PRICE transitive senses 1 : to glorify (a god or saint) especially by the attribution of perfections intransitive senses : to express praise - prais·er noun
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And who exactly put on that 5* ladder match? Certianlly wasn't the Undertaker now was it? |
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I can see it now.......
Masters hits the Masterlock. His opponents down. He climbs the ladder HE GOT IT! 15 second ladder match folks, that was amzing.
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Just pointing out that even if someone has a real fan-on for a wrestler that not many others care for, if they make arguments and are at least willing to try to back them up, eventually they're accepted. We all find fresher meat to fight with.
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Also, praise ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pr z)n.
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