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Old 04-21-2009, 03:29 AM   #121
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heyman you don't even try to change your posting style come on
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Old 04-21-2009, 03:32 AM   #122
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Old 04-21-2009, 03:32 AM   #123
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Sometimes you get what you give. I've seen you repeatedly shoot down posters as morons after one post. Again, that's not a debate. You've tried to force your opinions down everyones throats as being correct, refusing to even consider another opinion. You pissed me off when in the same sentence you agreed with me, and called me a moron. How else should I take that other than to invite you to fuck off?
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Old 04-21-2009, 03:36 AM   #124
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And Heyman, you're beneath me. I sorry if this excellence thing is part of your gimmick or what ever but really. You are. You don't understand half as much about wrestling as you think you do and quit frankly you would laughed at if you presented any of this to someone in the buisness.

You don't know shit. seriously. You are a mark. and a dumb one.
Few things:

1) It's ironic how you keep accusing me of being a troll, and yet you are the one doing most of the mud-slinging....non-wrestling related.

2) Enlighten me. Show me one dumb wrestling related thing that I have said thus far (in your opinion), and I will try and clarify my thought for you. After having done that, I will leave it up to the people whether they want to agree with me or agree with you. I give you full permission to conduct a poll or whatever. I have no problem backing up anything I say.

3) We are all marks. The difference between you and me is that you're a coward...and are afraid to present your opinions out of fear of being ridiculed. I on the other hand, challenge anyone to prove me wrong. I believe that I am right most of the time. If someone actually does prove me wrong, I acknowledge it...and am grateful for it...since I have become better. I even learned how to spell 'half-wit' correctly tonight.

So yeah - find just one wrestling observation that you felt was retarded on my part, and I'll be happy to back it up.

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Old 04-21-2009, 03:36 AM   #125
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Jeff Hardy didn't beat the evil Triple H because they are holding him back. The glass ceiling is too thick. Boo waa. I don't care that he won the title it wasn't enough. They should of made Jeff Hardy the next Stone Cold and pushed him past the moon. I don't care that he was a threat to the company.
Yeah, you're rediculous.
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Old 04-21-2009, 03:37 AM   #126
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Few things:

1) It's ironic how you keep accusing me of being a troll, and yet you are the one doing most of the mud-slinging....non-wrestling related.

2) Enlighten me. Show me one dumb wrestling related thing that I have said thus far (in your opinion), and I will try and clarify my thought for you. After having done that, I will leave it up to the people whether they want to agree with me or agree with you. I give you full permission to conduct a poll or whatever. I have no problem backing up anything I say.

3) We are all marks. The difference between you and me is that you're a coward...and are afraid to present your opinions out of fear of being ridiculed. I on the other hand, challenge anyone to prove me wrong. I believe that I am right most of the time. If someone actually does prove me wrong, I acknowledge it...and am grateful for it...since I have become better. I even learned how to spell 'half-wit' correctly tonight.

So yeah - find just one wrestling observation that you felt was retarded on my part, and I'll be happy to back it up.

Coward.
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Old 04-21-2009, 03:37 AM   #127
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huge waste of time to "debate" with a troll.
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I feel the need to apologize to the members of TPWW for my behavior tonight. I engaged in exactly the kind of activity that kept me from posting here for so long. Casey Jones, You do make some good points, you may want to work on your delivery. Sorry for having sunk to the level of a troll. I'll leave such activities to other posters in the future. If you want to call this a victory Heyman, go ahead. I'm just refusing to waste any more energy tonight on this crap. Good day to you sir.
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Old 04-21-2009, 03:44 AM   #129
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Jeff Hardy didn't beat the evil Triple H because they are holding him back. The glass ceiling is too thick. Boo waa. I don't care that he won the title it wasn't enough. They should of made Jeff Hardy the next Stone Cold and pushed him past the moon. I don't care that he was a threat to the company.
Reality:

Jeff Hardy had tremendous momentum last year...and his star was clearly on the rise. Despite having two wellness policy violations, it still would have been in the WWE's best interests to push Jeff Hardy and capitalize on his rising star power. The rewards would have significantly outweighed the risks. If Jeff were to have gone over someone like Triple H cleanly at Summerslam, it would have done far more for his credibility as opposed to a non-clean win. Jeff would have become established as a long-term main-event star (and this ofcourse, is predicated on the fact that the WWE would have continued to push him right).

If Jeff had been dumb enough to violate the wellness policy for a 3rd time, then could easily be fired....and the WWE would go about their business as is....just as they did when Lesnar left the company, Goldberg left the company, etc., etc. Ya move on.

Winning the title is great, but it does NOT mean that you've become a long-term main-eventer and non-transitional champion. BIG difference.
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Old 04-21-2009, 03:46 AM   #130
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Yeah so you're pissed cause they gave him the ball, but passed it wrong. Shut up please.

And again ignoring the threat putting him over that big makes him.
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Old 04-21-2009, 03:46 AM   #131
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Nah, Im not arguing with a troll. Im just gonna poke and prod.
So in other words, you aren't going to argue with a troll, but you'll just act like one instead. Nice.

You're a pussy and a hypocrite.

If you ever change your mind, I'll be waiting.
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Old 04-21-2009, 03:46 AM   #132
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fire him, no prob..right.
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Old 04-21-2009, 03:47 AM   #133
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I know you are a troll, but ah well:

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Fact: Noid and friends think that it would be a good idea if CM Punk won MITB next year.

My view: CM Punk should move on to bigger and better things. The WWE should seriously build him up this year and have him win the Royal Rumble. A guy like MVP could win MITB next year.
Fiction: I don't think CM Punk should win MITB next year. I think he should be in the Ladder Match, but I don't think he should win.

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Fact: Noid thinks that an upper mid-card wrestler beating a top-tier wrestler NON-CLEAN is still epic.

My view: While the above is true, I feel that a CLEAN victory has far more meaning...and in Jeff Hardy's case, would have meant a lot more.
Fact: I do believe that a victory that is not perfectly clean can still sky-rocket a guy's popularity. Hell, Jeff Hardy rode victories over Triple H and The Undertaker into a WWE Title reign last year, which carried into this year.


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Fact: Noid and friends think that the WWE should not have pushed Jeff Hardy to the moon due to the fact that he was on his 2nd wellness violation.

My view: Rewards outweighs the risks. If Jeff was given his "awesome and epic clean victory", a new long term main-event star would have been created. If he 'fucked up' afterwards and got his 3rd strike? No big deal. Can the guy. Move on. Just as they did with others in the past that left the company in one way or another (i.e. Lesnar, Goldberg, etc.).
I don't even know how to classify this: Some would say that Jeff Hardy was already pushed to the moon. I mean, all that was left for him to do was unify the titles at WrestleMania. This is despite Jeff Hardy being everything the WWE is trying to avoid with their wellness policy.

Do you understand that the WWE put this policy in place for a reason? Do you understand that someone who violates this policy isn't just an "oh well" to the WWE? This policy is in-place for a reason. Pretending it doesn't exist defeats the purpose of even having it.

Guys like Jeff Hardy and William Regal only have themselves to blame for their interrupted pushes. And Hardy was a fucking WWE Champion, anyway. Again, it is his choice to leave. The WWE actually want him to stay.
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Old 04-21-2009, 03:47 AM   #134
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So in other words, you aren't going to argue with a troll, but you'll just act like one instead. Nice.

You're a pussy and a hypocrite.

If you ever change your mind, I'll be waiting.
exactly actually. I have NO problem lowering myself to you standards
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Yeah so you're pissed cause they gave him the ball, but passed it wrong.
You know what would have been awesome? It would've been awesome if at Wrestlemania 14, Triple H pedigreed Shawn Michaels and allowed Austin to get teh win!


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And again ignoring the threat putting him over that big makes him.
Not ignoring the threat at all. The two strikes are obviously a major concern. However - I felt that the rewards would have still outweighed the risks.

Guys like Triple H, Edge, Cena, and Undertaker all have massive credibility and overness. Even if one of these guys were to hypothetically job to Hardy clean, only to then have Hardy shit the bed and get his 3rd strike.....and be released, no damage would have been done.

Triple H, Edge, Cena, or Taker would still have their massive overness and could still be used to put over some other guy at a certain point in the future.
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Old 04-21-2009, 03:53 AM   #136
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I have seen posters such as BigdaddyCool do the same thing. By your definition, BigDaddyCool is also a troll....and yet he is one of the most respected posters on this forum.
Okay, now we REALLY know something is up.

Seriously, is this guy Heyman? Because if so, I wish Heyman would get on as fucking Heyman and make some good posts again.
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Old 04-21-2009, 04:03 AM   #137
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You know what would have been awesome? It would've been awesome if at Wrestlemania 14, Triple H pedigreed Shawn Michaels and allowed Austin to get teh win!




Not ignoring the threat at all. The two strikes are obviously a major concern. However - I felt that the rewards would have still outweighed the risks.

Guys like Triple H, Edge, Cena, and Undertaker all have massive credibility and overness. Even if one of these guys were to hypothetically job to Hardy clean, only to then have Hardy shit the bed and get his 3rd strike.....and be released, no damage would have been done.

Triple H, Edge, Cena, or Taker would still have their massive overness and could still be used to put over some other guy at a certain point in the future.
Except, and this has happened in the past, guys like Triple H and The Undertaker, especially, find it a fucking insult when they are asked to lie down for a guy, and then that person leaves the company. Some say that the World Heavyweight Title was at least in-part created because Triple H didn't want to put over Lesnar so early in the guy's career.

Now, I am not saying that this is right, but you claim to understand the business. If you take chances with guys who bite your hand, fuck off, and leave your main eventers upset, then the next time you say "Hey, Taker, you're going to put over Dolph Ziggler on SmackDown! this week," do you really think his response will be "Sure! That sounds great!"

You say you want to see all these young stars elevated, but you do realise that everytime the WWE pushes one that fucks up, it fucks over the chances of every other young guy? It's not only the external problems you have to worry about, but your internal ones.

If you want to put all your eggs in the basket of a guy one strike from being out on his ass with your title belt, leaving him to go to TNA or something, pissing off your top guys who lost cleanly to him, then fine. See how long it lasts.
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Fiction: I don't think CM Punk should win MITB next year. I think he should be in the Ladder Match, but I don't think he should win.
So in other words - you think CM Punk should take a step backwards.

I'm just trying to understand this correctly....since apparently, these types of arguments make sense to everyone on here except for me.

-You want CM Punk to be in the ladder match (as opposed to being involved in a world title match of some kind.....or even going up against a guy like Undertaker or Triple H one-on-one even if it's a non-title match)

-You want CM Punk to be used to PUT OVER someone else.

I just want to make sure I understand you correctly.


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I don't even know how to classify this: Some would say that Jeff Hardy was already pushed to the moon. I mean, all that was left for him to do was unify the titles at WrestleMania. This is despite Jeff Hardy being everything the WWE is trying to avoid with their wellness policy.
-A clean victory would have done more for this career.
-Not jobbing just a few months into his world title reign would've meant more.

We seem to have different interpretations of what being 'pushed to the moon' is.

I am of the opinion that winning the world title doesn't necessarily equate to becoming established as a LONG-TERM main-eventer.......despite whether one gets pushed to the moon or not.

Case in point(s): Rey Mysterio, Chris Benoit, and Eddie Guerrero. All of these guys were "pushed to the moon" and won world titles, but all of these guys basically returned to their original spot on the cards a year or so later.

By contrast - look at guys like Dave Batista, John Cena, and Brock Lesnar. Look at what happened to Kurt Angle eventually. Edge is another guy (although even Edge and Angle were perceived as transitional champs for the longest time before they broke that barrier).

THAT is the type of push that I am talking about. Guys that make it to the top and STAY on top. Heck - even a douche like John Bradshaw Layfield became more than a "non-transitional" champ around 04-05.

Comprendez?



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I understand it. However, like I explained to Destor, I think the rewards would have outweighed the risks. If Hardy fucked up, he could've been fired. The guy that would have given him the 'clean win' (i.e. Taker, HHH, Edge) wouldn't have lost anything by doing the job. They would still be credible, and could still be used to put over someone else at a later date. No big loss.

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Guys like Jeff Hardy and William Regal only have themselves to blame for their interrupted pushes. And Hardy was a fucking WWE Champion, anyway. Again, it is his choice to leave. The WWE actually want him to stay.
I'm finally glad we agree on something you dunce.
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So in other words - you think CM Punk should take a step backwards.

I'm just trying to understand this correctly....since apparently, these types of arguments make sense to everyone on here except for me.

-You want CM Punk to be in the ladder match (as opposed to being involved in a world title match of some kind.....or even going up against a guy like Undertaker or Triple H one-on-one even if it's a non-title match)

-You want CM Punk to be used to PUT OVER someone else.

I just want to make sure I understand you correctly.
I made a thread on here recently asking people whether or not they thought that CM Punk being in the Money in the Bank Ladder Match two years running was a holding pattern for him. Most people agreed that it would not do the guy any harm.

Look, the guy is turning MITB into his event. Why can't he enter next year just to make it a hatrick? Why is competing in a match for a World Title shot a bad thing? And yes, Punk should lose, and someone will really be elevated by it. Don't you want to see new stars created?

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-A clean victory would have done more for this career.
-Not jobbing just a few months into his world title reign would've meant more.

We seem to have different interpretations of what being 'pushed to the moon' is.

I am of the opinion that winning the world title doesn't necessarily equate to becoming established as a LONG-TERM main-eventer.......despite whether one gets pushed to the moon or not.

Case in point(s): Rey Mysterio, Chris Benoit, and Eddie Guerrero. All of these guys were "pushed to the moon" and won world titles, but all of these guys basically returned to their original spot on the cards a year or so later.

By contrast - look at guys like Dave Batista, John Cena, and Brock Lesnar. Look at what happened to Kurt Angle eventually. Edge is another guy (although even Edge and Angle were perceived as transitional champs for the longest time before they broke that barrier).

THAT is the type of push that I am talking about. Guys that make it to the top and STAY on top. Heck - even a douche like John Bradshaw Layfield became more than a "non-transitional" champ around 04-05.

Comprendez?
Hey, maybe being a LONG-TERM main eventer means you stay in the company, you know, fucking long term as a main eventer? Jeff is choosing to leave. Also, having the guy headline the 25th WrestleMania would just have been awkward. Especially if the guy is not in the company tomorrow.
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Case in point(s): Rey Mysterio, Chris Benoit, and Eddie Guerrero. All of these guys were "pushed to the moon" and won world titles, but all of these guys basically returned to their original spot on the cards a year or so later.
Mysterio was jobbed out during his entire run as champ and he jobbed to Orton right before Mania.
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You know what would have been awesome? It would've been awesome if at Wrestlemania 14, Triple H pedigreed Shawn Michaels and allowed Austin to get teh win!
Wouldn't have hurt autsin ability to draw one bit. He was drawing befroe they gave him the belt. And as long as H and HBM went into a hot program that made money it would matter.

You act lie Austin wasn't drawing UNTIL he went over big. How wrong are you.



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Not ignoring the threat at all. The two strikes are obviously a major concern. However - I felt that the rewards would have still outweighed the risks.

Guys like Triple H, Edge, Cena, and Undertaker all have massive credibility and overness. Even if one of these guys were to hypothetically job to Hardy clean, only to then have Hardy shit the bed and get his 3rd strike.....and be released, no damage would have been done.

Triple H, Edge, Cena, or Taker would still have their massive overness and could still be used to put over some other guy at a certain point in the future.
What are the rewards? ONe extra guy maineventing cards that gonna draw the same ammount of money he was bofore?

The risks though? The risks are huge. On one hand if you build him up and have to fire him while he's the champ your buyrates could be fucked. What if he got poped the day of a PPV? He couldn't work that night, now you have you main event guy absent at the snap of a finger. Unlike Lesnar, Goldberg and even Van Dam this is a new threat for thrird strike. And with NO way to close off the story.

How about PR? A beast you seem to not even reconize. IN this post Benoit world, the last thing ANYONE needs is a world champion being terminiated for drugs.

Not to mention if you gacve him ethat rub he he turned around and got canned the worth he would be able to offer TNA is redic.

The perks of doing it there way? You got a guy who can draw and no ones toes get stepped on. ONce more, if he gets terminated it's truely no sweat as he never broke the glass ceiling AND the WWE can say they were monitoring him blah blah blah.

And all the while you rake in on this cash cow that is Jeff Harvey.

AND you make the same ammout of money.

Risks, huge. Rewards? Where.
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Especially when you look at the fact that HES LEAVING THE COMPANY. Good call on their part. THis news bit basicsally proves they were right.
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And just ftr, you're only butt hurt by this because you had a hard on for the guy. Because you're a Hardy mark. WWE saw something you didn't, and giving the fact the Hardy's ALREADY walking is a clear cut sign that they were right.
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And just for the record, Hardy isn't walking away cause they didn't push him hard enough. Im sure he's tickled that he made it to the amazing hiegths he did. Im sure he's walking away because he has NO passion for the buisness and EVERYONE knows it.
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Not every wrestler can become a main event character and in the wwe its hard for the smaller guys to get that part. I dont think Jeff Hardy would make a great long term champion since he is not trustworthy enough to keep going in a story line.
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I fully agree with Destor. As I stated when I repped him for this thread "You, sir, are a sexual monstrosity."

I would love to see him go to TNA. I enjoyed his work there before, and I would hope that he might give a few of the lazier stars a boot in the ass.

BUT

It's relatively obvious that Jeff is burnt out, he needs some down time. Maybe he can contribute better when he's recharged his batteries.

For now, lets just hope that Matt gets pushed right and kept in the main event picture. Like he should have been when I first began referring to Lita as the Rated R Herpes Scar. Maybe they could do a bit of storyline necromancy and have Edge and Matt work a program.
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Destor, you are the man

I don't think Casey Jones realizes how much fun it is for me to feed the trolls. What he sees as me being insecure, I see as having fun pissing on a moron's parade.

I don't know if I've said this already, but it I think it sucks that Hardy is leaving. He was always entertaining to me and I was glad he got his run with the big belt. Selfishly I want him to stay, but I don't want him to be doing it if he doesn't want to be there and give a hundred percent.

I'm gonna miss him, even if he ends up back in TNA (it's just not the same).
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I'm gonna miss him, even if he ends up back in TNA (it's just not the same).
I would love to see him more on WWE, I think it is worse for TNA to get him because it is just more of what makes TNA bad. Former WWE guys in TNA and not promoting your own guys. Jeff could have great matches with AJ and Daniels, but he will probably just feud with MEM if he goes to TNA
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Kinda Devil's Advocating here, but maybe they should have pushed Jeff to the ME scene. They push guys who aren't ready, guys who will never be ready, and guys who are injury prone. I mean, the ME scene on raw was so heavily built around Cena that his injury left them scrambling to fill a vacuum.

Now, I'm not saying that its necessarily a good thing to compound bad booking with bad booking. What I am saying is that I'm not sure it would have hurt, guiven the "power vacuum" issues they've had on both shows over the last couple of years. And if Cena's merch really is the reason they're pushing him, a Monster Jeff Hardy push might have done a lot more good than harm for WWE, even if he failed a piss test or quit on them halfway through.

Honestly, I wouldn't put Jeff near the ME scene ever, but WWE isn't interested in the way I'd book, so that doesn't really matter. By their own standards, Jeff Hardy is a valid main eventer. They've pushed guys who were leavbing, a guy who came back on a short stint from Hollywood, and guys who only make brief appearances and runs.

A Jeff Hardy title run may have been a dumb idea, but it really doesn't seem any dumber than the ideas WWE seems to think equal money in the bank.
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Come on...I can't be the only one who's seeing the pattern here.
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Summary of my points to Destor and fellow retards:

1) A clean win means far more than a non-clean win. Even in Austin's case, a clean win over HBK at WM-14 had more signficance...and made Austin look more credible...which probably helped contribute to him drawing more (although this obviously cannot be proven). On this note however - Austin was getting some clean victories over some credible opponents well before this anyways (as you alluded to, he was already huge well before then....but I didn't imply otherwise you idiot).

2) Just because a guy won't draw 7.0 ratings, is no excuse to not push new guys to the main-events. Jeff Hardy or no Jeff Hardy. You gave me reasons as to why Hardy shouldn't have been pushed. Great. Now tell me why guys like CM Punk, MVP, Santino Marella, etc. haven't been pushed much harder than they have been? Six years ago - why weren't guys like RVD, Jericho, and Booker T pushed more?....to the point where they were NON-TRANSITIONAL main-eventers? THIS is the problem that the WWE has right now. Their lack of an environment that allows for rising mid-carders to get to the main-event level in a short amount of time....and allowing wrestlers to become LONG TERM NON-TRANSITIONAL main-event guys.

3) If a guy like Kurt Angle didn't make a dimes difference to TNA (let alone Christian, Booker T, Dudleys, Rikishi, and other former WWE employees), then Jeff Hardy wouldn't make that much of an IMPACT on TNA either.....despite the rub.

The only guy in the industry right now that would make any significant short term impact on ratings, would be The Rock.....and I can't even use the term "only guy in the industry" when referring to him.

4) Did you ever consider the fact that the WWE might actually get PROPS from the media for firing their current WWE/World champ for drug useage?...especially during the era of the whole baseball scandal? You are still showing an inability to see BOTH sides of the argument.

5) There is a risk with everything....it's the nature of this business. Dave Batista had to vacate the title as champ due to injury. So what? Big deal - you move on. I re-iterate once again: Jeff should've been pushed....correctly. If he gets his 3rd strike, you fire him. There are huge risks with all wrestlers due to the nature of the business. In 1999, it was revealed that Austin needed serious neck surgery....and as result, wouldn't be able to compete in the triple threat match against Rock and HHH. Result? Big Show was inserted.


But again however - you seem to be missing my biggest point.

THIS IS NOT ENTIERELY ABOUT JEFF HARDY.

This is about creating an environment that can allow for rising mid-carders to "rise within the ranks" (in a short amount of time) and become LONG-TERM NON-TRANSITIONAL main-eventers.

What's the WWE's excuse when it comes to CM Punk? MVP? Christian? What was the WWE's excuse when it came to RVD back in the day? Tell me why these guys haven't been adequately pushed? Or weren't adequately pushed?



You have been defeated once again.
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