So Fedor just lost - Page 5

**IC Champion** · 07-01-2010, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by El Capitano Gatisto

Testosterone levels are checked for anabolic steroid use, it is not a sign of HGH use. HGH is not a steroid hormone, it is a polypeptide. It is measured directly using antibody tests in plasma/serum.

I think to catch an athlete doping on it, repeated, unannounced tests must be done during training to record a persistently elevated level. Further, supposedly tests now can detect artificial HGH as opposed to endogenous. Medical testing for acromegaly or pituitary gland tumours also use co-testing with Insulin-like growth factor (IGF), since levels of this increase in response to HGH.

Anyway, if someone has gained an enormous amount of muscle in a short period of time, I'd be thinking steroid use. HGH seems unlikely, the evidence suggests HGH doesn't signficantly increase muscle bulk/strength. One of the key measures of bullshit in the fitness supplement industry is the wild claims surrounding HGH. As with many of these things, HGH injections almost certainly help people who are deficient, but in normal individuals it either does nothing or may cause problems. People with naturally elevated HGH (acromegaly) tend to have many health problems.

So it's used more to help recover and get over injuries faster than? That could be all I can think it would be used for if can be useless in normal individuals and it doens't help increase muscle.

**El Capitano Gatisto** · 07-01-2010, 04:12 PM

Not as far as I can see. I believe it's used because athletes or body builders believe it will increase muscle mass and strength. Whether this actually happens has not been demonstrated in studies of healthy volunteers. Here is a relatively straightforward review from 2006 which is free access:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...9/?tool=pubmed

**IC Champion** · 07-01-2010, 04:16 PM

So why exactly are this currupt doctors perscribing to to athletes, and why do they take it if studies show nothings happens?

**El Capitano Gatisto** · 07-01-2010, 04:24 PM

Well, why do you think? It's not difficult if you think about it.

**IC Champion** · 07-01-2010, 04:28 PM

Damn you ECG, it's canada day and Im half in the bag, help a brotha out.

**IC Champion** · 07-01-2010, 04:29 PM

I know it's supposed to make sex better.

**IC Champion** · 07-01-2010, 04:30 PM

I know that it helps you with weight loss as well.

**El Capitano Gatisto** · 07-01-2010, 04:31 PM

It costs a lot of money to use HGH. Doctors can point to the theory and athletes will pay for something if they believe it works. They aren't going to look up clinical studies to see if HGH has any real effect, they'll also believe something works if they've paid enough money for it. The exercise supplement industry is pretty much based on religious faith rather than any real scientific consideration on behalf of customers.

**IC Champion** · 07-01-2010, 04:31 PM

From what I'm reading it affects the appearence more than help with athletic ability.

**IC Champion** · 07-01-2010, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by El Capitano Gatisto

It costs a lot of money to use HGH. Doctors can point to the theory and athletes will pay for something if they believe it works. They aren't going to look up clinical studies to see if HGH has any real effect, they'll also believe something works if they've paid enough money for it. The exercise supplement industry is pretty much based on religious faith rather than any real scientific consideration on behalf of customers.

So it's an expensive placebo basically?

**El Capitano Gatisto** · 07-01-2010, 04:34 PM

That is what the literature suggests in terms of its effects on athletic performance. What's not so clear is the long term health effects of abusing it since, as I mentioned, elevated HGH causes health problems.

**IC Champion** · 07-01-2010, 04:38 PM

So athletes are running the risk of failing a drug test for something that might not do anything other than give them health problems down the road?

**El Capitano Gatisto** · 07-01-2010, 04:41 PM

Of course. Some will do anything if they think it gives them an edge. Plenty of non-competitive athletes use anabolic steroids just to get bigger despite the list of health problems they cause. Those obviously do have a major effect on muscle growth, but people will spend large amounts of money and ignore the risks if they think they can make larger gains for their efforts or gain an advantage on the competition.

**IC Champion** · 07-01-2010, 04:44 PM

I believe it, I know people who take steriods just to get bigger and look better, nothing that can't be accompished with exercise.

This is quite interesting though. All the athletes who tarnished their images to take HGH, and it may not have any real benefits.

07-01-2010, 04:12 PM	#162
El Capitano Gatisto World Class Raconteur Posts: 29,478	Not as far as I can see. I believe it's used because athletes or body builders believe it will increase muscle mass and strength. Whether this actually happens has not been demonstrated in studies of healthy volunteers. Here is a relatively straightforward review from 2006 which is free access: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...9/?tool=pubmed

07-01-2010, 04:16 PM	#163
IC Champion They/Them Posts: 15,331	So why exactly are this currupt doctors perscribing to to athletes, and why do they take it if studies show nothings happens?

07-01-2010, 04:24 PM	#164
El Capitano Gatisto World Class Raconteur Posts: 29,478	Well, why do you think? It's not difficult if you think about it.

07-01-2010, 04:28 PM	#165
IC Champion They/Them Posts: 15,331	Damn you ECG, it's canada day and Im half in the bag, help a brotha out.

07-01-2010, 04:29 PM	#166
IC Champion They/Them Posts: 15,331	I know it's supposed to make sex better.

07-01-2010, 04:30 PM	#167
IC Champion They/Them Posts: 15,331	I know that it helps you with weight loss as well.

07-01-2010, 04:31 PM	#168
El Capitano Gatisto World Class Raconteur Posts: 29,478	It costs a lot of money to use HGH. Doctors can point to the theory and athletes will pay for something if they believe it works. They aren't going to look up clinical studies to see if HGH has any real effect, they'll also believe something works if they've paid enough money for it. The exercise supplement industry is pretty much based on religious faith rather than any real scientific consideration on behalf of customers.

07-01-2010, 04:31 PM	#169
IC Champion They/Them Posts: 15,331	From what I'm reading it affects the appearence more than help with athletic ability.

07-01-2010, 04:34 PM	#171
El Capitano Gatisto World Class Raconteur Posts: 29,478	That is what the literature suggests in terms of its effects on athletic performance. What's not so clear is the long term health effects of abusing it since, as I mentioned, elevated HGH causes health problems.

07-01-2010, 04:38 PM	#172
IC Champion They/Them Posts: 15,331	So athletes are running the risk of failing a drug test for something that might not do anything other than give them health problems down the road?

07-01-2010, 04:41 PM	#173
El Capitano Gatisto World Class Raconteur Posts: 29,478	Of course. Some will do anything if they think it gives them an edge. Plenty of non-competitive athletes use anabolic steroids just to get bigger despite the list of health problems they cause. Those obviously do have a major effect on muscle growth, but people will spend large amounts of money and ignore the risks if they think they can make larger gains for their efforts or gain an advantage on the competition.

07-01-2010, 04:44 PM	#174
IC Champion They/Them Posts: 15,331	I believe it, I know people who take steriods just to get bigger and look better, nothing that can't be accompished with exercise. This is quite interesting though. All the athletes who tarnished their images to take HGH, and it may not have any real benefits.