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Old 04-09-2012, 08:45 AM   #161
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Old 04-09-2012, 08:30 PM   #163
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Brock Lesnar will make the WWE a lot of money. They are fools if they don't bring him back. Absolute fools.

Lesnar vs. Cena is the big match right now, and I still believe that Lesnar should beat Rock en route to that. Extreme Rules would seem ideal, but I don't know if Brock should debut at a gimmick PPV. Over the Limit seems like it would be a good place.
Four months isn’t a long time. I’d bet that he'll want to get in shape, both appearance wise and in the ring.

If he’s only contracted to appear a minimum of two times a month, it could definitely make the buildup to a match at SummerSlam huge between those two. Lesnar vs. Cena at SummerSlam is the right move.
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Old 04-10-2012, 06:13 AM   #164
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Brock Lesnar will make the WWE a lot of money. They are fools if they don't bring him back. Absolute fools.

Lesnar vs. Cena is the big match right now, and I still believe that Lesnar should beat Rock en route to that. Extreme Rules would seem ideal, but I don't know if Brock should debut at a gimmick PPV. Over the Limit seems like it would be a good place.
This makes zero sense.

They've already booked Rock over Cena. Lesnar's already beaten Rock. It'd be both redundant and backwards at the same time. People want to see Brock Lesnar eat Cena's head. It isn't the big match. It's the obligatory match. I am still beyond confused at how people consider Cena to be "the man" right now, when they are clearly shitting all over him because it's what the fans want. There isn't anywhere else to go with the guy.

I think people should pull their heads out of their asses and realize just where John Cena is right now.
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Old 04-10-2012, 06:14 AM   #165
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Brock vs. The Undertaker is the "big match," imo. Cena is a stepping stone for Lesnar. I really think Cena needs some time off. It would be smart for both him and the WWE.

Originally I wanted Brock to go over The Rock and then lose to Cena. But it doesn't make sense anymore, not with the way they've played this thing out, and not as it becomes more and more clear that Cena is just roadkill at this point.
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Old 04-10-2012, 06:21 AM   #166
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I should have probably noted the time of that post. No offense, don't think your head is in your ass. I just think my head is in everyone else's ass but John Cena's.
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Old 04-10-2012, 07:16 PM   #167
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Old 04-10-2012, 10:13 PM   #168
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No stipulation is expected to be announced for the Brock Lesnar vs. John Cena match at WWE's Extreme Rules pay-per-view.
They just need to change the name back to Backlash, but after last night's skidaddle, they got to have at least a Cage Match.
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Old 04-10-2012, 10:24 PM   #169
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^ I was thinking a last man standing match.
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Old 04-10-2012, 10:32 PM   #170
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I'm thinking they might do something strange like make it MMA-like rules.
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Old 04-11-2012, 02:00 PM   #171
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Its gonna have to be match where loser doesn't look bad when losing, so it probably wont be a Last Man standing, I quit, Ironman, etc. I am guessing a tables match, First blood, or Cage (someone climbs out). That way the person losing doesn't look too weak.
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Old 04-11-2012, 04:22 PM   #172
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Old 04-11-2012, 04:44 PM   #173
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MMA Rules would be stupid and insulting to the WWE fans and John Cena would look like shit. First Blood is the way to go since Cena can get busted open in a way that makes Brock look like a beast and Cena doesn't look weak (especially if they keep fighting and Cena is a bloody mess trying to whoop Lesnar's ass after the match).
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Old 04-11-2012, 05:39 PM   #174
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Dont think we will see any intentional blood. A straight wrestling match will do just fine. Brock should and likey will win. My question is will they book him as an equal to Cena or will Brock destroy him in 10 to 12 minutes. Im thinking Lesnar needs to look absolutely unstoppable here.
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Old 04-11-2012, 07:30 PM   #175
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Dont think we will see any intentional blood. A straight wrestling match will do just fine. Brock should and likey will win. My question is will they book him as an equal to Cena or will Brock destroy him in 10 to 12 minutes. Im thinking Lesnar needs to look absolutely unstoppable here.
They should have Brock beat the hell out of him for 30 minutes and make it look as real as possible. I mean to the point where even the most jaded fan who hates Cena will feel sorry for Cena and look at Brock with disgust. This is the only way to truly make Brock heel and Cena face. Brock is going to get cheered even if he is with John Laurinitis unless he does something drastic like that to garner legit heat and hatred. Have Cena not show up for a month or two or even til the build to SummerSlam.
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Old 04-11-2012, 07:31 PM   #176
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I don't want a part-time Brock defeating Taker at Mania.
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Old 04-11-2012, 09:15 PM   #177
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Excellent idea, James. Brock definately needs to come off as a monster.

And for those suggesting MMA rules or styled match...i distincly recall the not so positive reviews on the board when Angle and Samoa Joe tried. Adding certain elements to the match inspired by MMA will always work in the right context, but an "MMA style" match wont, imo.
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Old 04-11-2012, 11:25 PM   #178
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This is the only way to truly make Brock heel and Cena face.
They could just make him metrosexual.
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Old 04-11-2012, 11:26 PM   #179
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What appeal is there to an "MMA Rules Match"? MMA Rules won't attract MMA fans as much as insult them and it won't help attract wrestling fans because they watch wrestling and not MMA.
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Yea I dont get it either. Just Brock beat the shit out if Cena and call it a day.
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Within two weeks, this feud is way better than Cena and Rock was. They actually have them physically involved instead of making jokes about each other, and everyone was holding them back.
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Old 04-12-2012, 01:06 AM   #182
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Heyman coming back would make this even more interesting.
"That's right, I'm a Paul Heyman guy. You know who else was a Paul Heyman guy? Brock Lesnar. And he split. Just like I'm splitting, but the biggest difference between me and Brock is, I'm going to leave with the WWE Championship!"
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Within two weeks, this feud is way better than Cena and Rock was. They actually have them physically involved instead of making jokes about each other, and everyone was holding them back.
That has more to do with the fact that Lesnar has WWE and only WWE obligations. Not to mention, hes been booked immediately into a match rather than one year down the lineand he is obviously going to be getting a huge push.

Add in that Lesnar has always been booked as an "action louder than words" type. Laying to the strengths in both Rock (mic work) and Brock's (physicality) strengths
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A problem with the match is, quite frankly, it probably won't be good. The Chicago crowd will help it because of its hatred for Cena, but the quality isn't going to be where it needs to be for Lesnar's first match back.

Adding a stipulation would hide the limitations that Lesnar has in the ring, as well as give him a forum to show the crowd how dangerous he can be.
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A problem with the match is, quite frankly, it probably won't be good. The Chicago crowd will help it because of its hatred for Cena, but the quality isn't going to be where it needs to be for Lesnar's first match back.

Adding a stipulation would hide the limitations that Lesnar has in the ring, as well as give him a forum to show the crowd how dangerous he can be.
Well that's that then, It needs to be a kennel from hell match.
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A problem with the match is, quite frankly, it probably won't be good. The Chicago crowd will help it because of its hatred for Cena, but the quality isn't going to be where it needs to be for Lesnar's first match back.

Adding a stipulation would hide the limitations that Lesnar has in the ring, as well as give him a forum to show the crowd how dangerous he can be.
I think its a little early to assume that match wont be good. Cena can deliver, and Im certain Brock isnt just sitting on his ass when Raw is done. The biggest issue for Brock is going to be timing, but this Brock Lesnar we are talking about. A guy who, while barely out of college, already moved and performed like an elite, top notch veteran.

I think its going to be a pretty decent match at worst. Its nit like Lesnar is some green, unknown, unproven rookie.
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I’ve been running different scenarios through my mind ever since this match was announced on RAW. Brock Lesnar should win.

What could John Cena gain from this? Losing to The Rock and then the former UFC Heavyweight Champion back to back doesn’t mean he’s being buried, because he’s not, so Lesnar should go over, otherwise the audience who don’t know Lesnar will think he’s easy to beat. The thing to do is have Lesnar beat Cena, leading him to question his identity as the greatest in the company.

This crisis would eventually lead to Cena desperately trying to beat anyone he could; in his state, midcarders like Dolph Ziggler would trump him, leading him to go to town on a guy like Kofi Kingston, murdering him in the ring just to get a win, then snapping when the crowd turns on him for it. He doesn’t lose credibility. He just loses…it. It’s booking 101.

Have the match as a Cage Match. Both guys brawl more, and both get close counts. Cena gets some momentum, and just as he goes to FU Lesnar, it gets countered. Lesnar picks him up and hits an F5 for the three-count.
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No need to make Brock's first match back a gimmick match. He should just beat Cena and beat the fuck out of him, clean. Cena can lose, but he shiuldnt just spiral downward that quick. Losing streaks dont work. Losing to Brock and having Cena begin to doubt himself is a great direction for him, but he shouldnt be jobbed outright. I do not forsee a heel turn. There has been zero evidence that would lead anyone to believe beyond self created speculations that a heel turn for Cena is anywhere down the line.
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This is a gimmick match pay-per-view. Personally, I would've waited until SummerSlam for the match.
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Old 04-12-2012, 11:44 PM   #190
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Steele's idea (dunno if it was this thread or another one) was the best. Have Lesnar destroy Cena, don't even make it close or anything close to being a match. Just an ass kicking. Have Cena take time off, come back around July to build a rematch for Summerslam.
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Old 04-14-2012, 07:45 PM   #191
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You moron. There's a difference between professional wrestling and MMA. Just because he's good at punching people doesn't automatically mean he's not gonna have ring rust in a pro wrestling ring. And I'm not sure if 'more than wrestling' is really a fair statement. MMA fighters don't have to fight two or three times a week, all year round.
He wasn't THAT good at punching people, and he sucks at getting punched
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Old 04-14-2012, 08:34 PM   #192
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Not that good at punching.
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Old 04-14-2012, 11:40 PM   #193
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Not that good at punching.
Let's be fair here, a jab from big friggin nog put Mir on queer street before the arm snap happened.
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Old 04-14-2012, 11:47 PM   #194
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Those hands are fucking deadly, good technique or not.
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Old 04-15-2012, 12:34 AM   #195
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Old 04-15-2012, 03:11 AM   #196
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I read something in the RAW Predictions thread that made me think:

Someone suggested that Brock Lesnar "injure" Cena before Extreme Rules. That way, with a kayfabe injury, Brock killing Cena looks completely brutal, but it also gives Cena an "excuse" to get completely dominated. The only thing I would change is perhaps that it's not Lesnar that hurts Cena.

Right now, the WWE has a massive boner for Dean Ambrose, seemingly. Well, they should. The kid is young, can work and can fucking talk. He has a unique character that he presents so well, too. Triple H himself has reportedly said that he won't call up Dean Ambrose to the main roster until there's a storyline waiting for him.

How about on RAW Cena is cutting a promo about how he's carried this company on his back for seven years while Brock tried his hand at everything else, and now Brock wants to come in and take it all back when it suits him; when all of a sudden, Dean Ambrose hits the ring from the crowd and takes out Cena's knee with a crowbar, or something? As Ambrose is hastily leaving the scene of the crime, he finds a camera and says "Is that the kind of stuff you want, Mick Foley?"

It gives Cena an injury heading into his match with Brock, and it debuts Ambrose in a big way and brings his tensions with Mick Foley onto television.
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Old 04-15-2012, 07:45 AM   #197
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The only problem i have with Noids idea is that you know Cena will a get a match with Ambrose and ruin any momentum he'd gained by that point. Id maybe just have Brock attack Cena before the match starts,as he's making his entrance just come out with a chair and pummel him for 5 mins before the bells rung. They can put over how Cena still wants his match with Lesnar even after the cheap attack but, like Steele suggested, hes just brutalised to the point where the match is stopped.
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Old 04-15-2012, 10:10 PM   #198
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I’m worried Lesnar vs. Cena is being given away early in a similar fashion to how Goldberg vs. Rock was given away at Backlash 2003. Lesnar vs. Cena should’ve been saved for SummerSlam, where it can rake in a lot more buys, let Lesnar get into shape by then.

Maybe this leads to a match between Lesnar and Punk at SummerSlam for the WWE Championship. Lesnar would be the man to end Punk’s reign for Johnny. Also, it would be ten years to that event that Lesnar won his first WWE Championship from Rock at SummerSlam 2002.
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Old 04-16-2012, 03:44 AM   #199
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If the $5million figure being thrown about is accurate then why would they waste the money being spent on a guy whose signed a contract for ONE year by holding off for him 'to get into shape'? He's a proven draw and post wrestlemania buy rates usually need a boost so why not make use of a guy youre blowing a fortune on rather than wasting his few matches on wrestling jobbers.
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Old 04-16-2012, 03:59 AM   #200
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I’m worried Lesnar vs. Cena is being given away early in a similar fashion to how Goldberg vs. Rock was given away at Backlash 2003.
I thought it was given away way too soon as well but then the more I thought about it... How much of a high is WWE coming off of with WrestleMania? For one year, ALL everyone was looking forward to was Rock-Cena. Then it happened and there was this "Well... now what?" feeling.

They have to do SOMETHING at Extreme Rules to soften the fall off after WrestleMania which stood to be way worse of a falloff than typical after Cena-Rock. So in that way, they did need to have a bigger than usual match and Cena-Lesnar was pretty much the best option.
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